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Squall

08-19-2004, 07:09 PM

I was in the office with my mom today because we were speaking to my counselor about some class changes, and to inform my mom about all the rules and what not. BTW, im a senior class of '05 WOO! Anywho, the counselor brought up, "I heard you wanted to join the army" and I corrected her by telling her, no its the Navy, and then my mom blurted out "He wants to be a SEAL" Just to let you guys know, I normally dont tell people I want to be a SEAL, because they get the wrong idea. So, I look over at the counselor and she is in great discust. "You want to be a SEAL?...oh no no no you dont! They arn't in touch with civilization, and they ALL have mental problems. I heard stuff like they beat their wifes in the middle of the night and wake up not knowing about it. do you want that?" I was like what the FU#K! "I calmly told her that I have done years and years of research and I know that I want to be a SEAL. Then she said "Who is your girlfriend?" and I told her, that my girlfriend is Michelle. Then she said "well if you care about her, dont become a SEAL, Josh have you talked to ex-Navy SEALs? Have you talked to their wifes who had to go through torture and pain?" I was just ignoring all of this. I belive that counselors espessially in freggn' HighSchool should be a motive towards kids future goals. I was soo pissed off after I left the office. What do you guys think about this situation? What would you have done? I also know for a fact that all the stuff she said wasnt true. Now my mom is all scared im gunna become a phyco. lol. Well any feedback would be nice! Thanks alot!
-Squall out.

Mr_Pips

08-20-2004, 09:53 AM

sounds like the typical liberal counselor. The majority of them are like that. Just ignore her and do what you want. If you want to get her really upset just tell her you want to work for Halliburton after your stint in the Navy.

Squall

08-20-2004, 10:20 AM

Hahah! Great Idea, I seriously am gunna to that just to piss her off! lol, thanks alot. your advice is very appreciated. Any others have a say in this?

sdaedalus

08-20-2004, 10:53 AM

Listen. I am a graduate student in counseling psychology, where ever this woman received her degree from, they need to take it back. She let her opinions cloud her counseling relationship with you. You are correct to state that a counselor should encourage a student in what ever venture the student deams appropriate. If you were to ask her, she is probably against anyone joining the military. You need to remember that no one can make you mad, only you can make you mad. Your anger and frustration with this so-called counselor is the result of your reaction to her little-minded opinion of the U.S. military. Next time you speak with her, ask her if she knows who Senator Bob Kerrey is. And if you don't know you should check it out. He is a democrat and she probably is as well. (there is some hub-bub that he is a war criminal, but the guy still won the MOH).
Don't lose focus on your goals, and if you put some effort into it you can probably convince your mother that your desire to join the Navy is a noble and worthy goal.

Tim

Ghillieman06

08-20-2004, 01:38 PM

and then my mom blurted out "He wants to be a SEAL"

That pisses me off so much when my mom does that. Just the other day I was at my Uncle's for a BBQ. By the way, my uncle is against the military. He escaped the draft in Vietnam by going to Canada. So anyways we were all sitting there having a nice enjoyful meal and suddenly my other uncle says to me, " I heard you wanted the be a SEAL." And like you, I dont tell very many people what I want to be. So I was just like hesitant because of my other uncle. But I said yes, and then for the whole rest of the time my anti-military uncle proceeded in telling me horror stories (like your councelor) about how all SEALs beat their wives and how they are all crazy. Also he tried to inform me on how hard It was to get in, but I already knew all the stuff he told me. He even told me stories of SOG in Vietnam and said that when they got on a helocopter to do a mission they didnt expect to come back. I dont know if that is true or not but its sounds exsageraded. But anyway after about three hours of listening to him ramble on about how bad the military was, I finnally got to leave. And afterwards I asked my mom how my other uncle knew that I wanted to be a SEAL, and she said she told him on the phone the day before. I was so pissed I asked my mom not to tell anyone again. ANd if she had too, just say I want to join the Navy.
finally she doesnt tell everyone about it now, but she already told soo many people that like half the adults I meet either look at me weird or congradulate me on having such a high goal. Which is embarrassing sometimes. Just letting you know that your not the only one that has had that problem.

Squall

08-20-2004, 02:12 PM

but she already told soo many people that like half the adults I meet either look at me weird or congradulate me on having such a high goal. Which is embarrassing sometimes.

HAHA Same here buddy. I guess we are just gunna have to live with it for the rest of out lives. But hey, WE WILL BE SEALs. and thats all that matters right?

SOG in Vietnam and said that when they got on a helocopter to do a mission they didnt expect to come back.

Typical, I hear that alot also, another not true, antiwar remark.

I asked my mom not to tell anyone again. ANd if she had too, just say I want to join the Navy.

i did the same thing, alot of people just dont understand why one wants to be a SEAL. I promise to everyone here that the reason that ANYONE wants to be a SEAL is unexplainable. People who want to be a SEAL and watch those documentarys about SEALs and the reporters ask why they want to be a SEAL, the student normally gives a patriotic remark, but us true wannabes know the real reason deep down inside of us, and thats why they STAY through hell week, because you can share a very stong bond like that with others that no one else can explain, thats what forms a team.

A62

08-20-2004, 04:20 PM

Gentlemen,

First let me say that I picked this post because it contained points from all your posts. I appologise for your counselor, I am a teacher and I am somewhat liberal. However, I am not one to lay the BS on kids, specially when I don't have clue as to what I am talking about.

SOG in Vietnam and said that when they got on a helocopter to do a mission they didnt expect to come back.

If you don't expect to come back, generaly speaking, you won't go. Makes sense, right? Or you won't come back.VEG.

Do not let anyone disuade you from your dreams(at least until you get there, then the instructors will try their darndest to do so). Nothing personal, just they want only the best for their brothers to operate with.

you can share a very stong bond like that with others that no one else can explain, thats what forms a team.

There it is. Very well spoken.

A62 out(not a SEAL)

Squall

08-20-2004, 05:25 PM

they want only the best for their brothers to operate with.

True statement, and I dont think that will ever change.

Goose

08-20-2004, 09:27 PM

I dont even like telling other guys at the Navy office about my SEAL aspirations...

Something I just cant stand is when someone does ask me why, I just stand there dumbfounded.... unable to explain why...

Squall

08-20-2004, 10:26 PM

I just stand there dumbfounded.... unable to explain why...

Goose, haha, I think every person that really wants to be a SEAL is going through that. The thing I like to say when people ask me is: "I dunno, I just like to blow sh1t up I guess" and they normally leave you alone after that ;) Problem solved.

Courtenay

08-21-2004, 08:42 AM

Just to reiterate what A62 and another (sorry, I didn't remember you name) said. Your counselor was in the wrong injecting her personal opinions about Navy SEALs. I am a counselor at the college level, and my students come to me with things that make me shake my head everyday.........but other than saying what is part of my job, I say nothing. She should have done the same. Personally, I think you and your mother should write a letter to the school principal. He/she should know that one of the counselors is acting inappropriately.

And excuse your moms guys for mentioning that you want to be Navy SEALs. It gives them something to be proud of. I don't understand why you worry about it! If you do go in the Navy, and make it to BUD/s etc. You and your family will find a comfort zone about who you say what to. Until then, let your mom feel happy that her son has a big dream!

Squall

08-21-2004, 12:15 PM

And excuse your moms guys for mentioning that you want to be Navy SEALs. It gives them something to be proud of.

Well said, I guess I over recacted. Come to think of it, she I pretty proud of what I want to do. Thanks for opening up my eyes court, I appreciate it alot.

Oh btw, since you live in SD, I was wondering: Since I am going on vacation again in Coronado (I bugged the crap outta my dad) what is the name of the Hotel that has two sets of buildings that overlooks the BUD/s center. They are pretty huge. You can miss em.

Also court, what kind of person is your son? Is he highly self motivated? Has he wanted that job really bad, or for a long time?
Thanks for everything
-Squall out
P.S. Imma write that letter ;)

Courtenay

08-21-2004, 08:26 PM

There are Condos right there, it may be them you are speaking of. Or, there are also two tall buildings which are still part of the Hotel Del Coronado. Could be either one.

As far as my son. He had some interest when he was really young...then he sort of forgot about it. He finished college and was doing a desk job when he realized that it was something he really DID want to do. He enlisted and was gone 4 months later. He had all the typical lack of motivation and laziness issues as a teenager that I think all teens do. But where THIS is concerned, yes, he is highly self-motivated.

frogwife

08-21-2004, 08:52 PM

They arn't in touch with civilization, and they ALL have mental problems. I heard stuff like they beat their wifes in the middle of the night and wake up not knowing about it. do you want that?

I guess it's a good thing I'm a hard sleeper. I don't remember any of those middle of the night beatings I apparently get. LOL!

Seriously, it's not true. No more than in the general population. And shame on that counselor for giving such a negative view of the Teams. That is discouraging and terribly unprofessional of her.

Squall

08-21-2004, 11:07 PM

I guess it's a good thing I'm a hard sleeper. I don't remember any of those middle of the night beatings I apparently get. LOL!

HAHA OMG That is soo funny FW. I belive I will have a serious talk with this counsoler, its seems to be very pesimistic to draw teens away from their dreams because you hear a few UNTRUE rumors.

No more than in the general population.

That right there says it all.
Thanks all!
-Squall out

Ghillieman06

08-22-2004, 03:56 PM

Yeah thank you all for not trying to steer us away from our dreams. Now im more motivated than ever. Thanks

DMANN

08-22-2004, 08:41 PM

What the hell is a counsoler for i dont remember ever having one of those.

manjam

08-23-2004, 05:25 PM

im assumin the counclers at my school are the same as everyone else's ... they're overall job was...

u sat down with them at the end of the year ans schedualed ur class.... if u ever needed a schedual change throughout the year... u go to them... if u need info on SAT/ACT/Financial Aid/etc.... u go to them for the info .. they're usefull in certain aspects... if u have a good one ... but... alot of em are pretty much idiots that went through a training course on how to use the software to schedual classes.. and well... first year in college... u schedual ur classes the same way.. without any teachin on it... so .. go figure.

ritareadstoomuch

08-25-2004, 04:08 PM

Squall,

I'm a high school teacher and I agree with the others that your counselor was out of line. However, anti-military bias does exist among educators in some areas of the country. Ignore her. You won't remember her name in five years.

Too bad you aren't in my class. Your independent reading assignment would have been Warrior Elite by D. Couch and your research paper topic could have been on the SEALs. I could have tutored you for the ASVAB after school and on Saturday mornings.

Squall

08-25-2004, 06:46 PM

Too bad you aren't in my class. Your independent reading assignment would have been Warrior Elite by D. Couch and your research paper topic could have been on the SEALs. I could have tutored you for the ASVAB after school and on Saturday mornings.

Man, no matter what any teacher does in my life, that right there, would be the perfect teacher, and I think many around these forums would agree. I just bought Warrior Elite, I ALWAYS do my research papers on the SEALs, and I really really need some tutoring for the ASVAB. Its like you read my christmas list. :) Thanks to all that helped me along with this topic, you really opened my eyes to whole new prespectives. Thanks alot everyone.
-Squall out

manjam

08-26-2004, 11:15 AM

y not tutor online/over the phone :P?

bustafood

08-29-2004, 12:54 AM

haha I was just reading through the thread and had the comment about your mom blurting out you wanted to be a SEAL. Im a Junior in high-school and right now my mind is made up that after college I'm going to join the Navy and go through BUD/S. I can't tell you how many times my mom has told people that I want to be a SEAL, and it's especially embarrasing when I'm right there with her. Also I hate telling people what I want to be because they always make a big deal about it...the typical guy response is yea right it's too hard, and the typical girl response is oh my God why do you want to die?? Now all I say is I want to join the military, and if they ask what branch I say Navy.

FUBAR

08-29-2004, 07:12 AM

hey squall where are you graduationg from and when/where are you going to basic? i'm graduating in 05 too, from NY.

Squall

08-29-2004, 03:32 PM

hey squall where are you graduationg from and when/where are you going to basic? i'm graduating in 05 too, from NY.

Hey fubar, btw nice name. well fubar, I havnt talked to a recruiter yet because I am still 16, I am pretty young for my grade. But on my birthday in sep, I am going right down there and telling the recruiter my goal. btw, fubar, the Navy only has one location for boot, and that is Great Mistakes...opps lakes.. Illinois. :) Why dont you tell me when your ship date is and ill see if I can arrange something with my recruiter to see if we can go at the same time. :)
-Squall out
p.s. I am graduating from Lompoc High School in windy, Lompoc California :)

ZeroAll

09-02-2004, 12:16 PM

Hey I know what it's like in highschool to get all those weird looks about joining the military. I used to not tell people I was joining the Navy and just avoid the subject, but eventually I got over it and decided that I had no reason to try and hide my wanting to be a SEAL. When people see you're proud of your decision and that you're motivated, they'll look at you differently, I personally think they respect you more for doing something different than 99% of the rest of the people at school. And about adults, my parents would go around telling everyone about the me enlisting and planning on going out for SEALs, but because they did that, I've recieved lots of great advice, and am working with two guys who made it to dive phase, If my parents hadn't been trying to tell everyone, I wouldnt have found those great resources. I swear every old person I meet now was in the Navy. So anyway, just try not to mind so much about people knowing what your plans are, a lot of people will help you out.

Jack_Oneill

09-07-2004, 04:57 PM

Ah squall I know how that goes. Sometimes I come home late and find my mom on couch and she's crying and asking me why I want to join the military. Just remember, do what YOU want to do, dont make decisions because of a family member or what the majority tells you to do. Although you shouldnt completely block your family and friends out, try to get them to see from your perspective.

-Jack

manjam

09-07-2004, 06:07 PM

ur mom just randomely cries about u joinin the military when u come home late? .. if so .. i cant help but chuckle =x. Or do u mean when ur workout runs a little later then usual or w/e? in which case... i wouldnt know cuz i dont live with my mom :-/

punksalifstyle

09-07-2004, 07:58 PM

NEVER LET ANYONE TAKE THE DREAM OF BEING A NAVY SEAL, AND THROW IT AWAY, YOU CAN BE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO BE IF YOU SET YOUR MIND TO IT, EVEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A LITERAL HELL TO GET THERE.

punksalifstyle

09-07-2004, 08:01 PM

This is a reply to all the posts, I want everyone to know, my mom is the exact same way. But, I think it's just because they're afraid of having a son come home in a coffin. MY DREAM IS TO MAKE IT ONTO A SEAL TEAM SOMEDAY even tho i'm 15, i've dreamed about it for a long time. and i've looked up so much information on it, the harder it looks, the more i want to do it. And You're VERY WELL trained, you're the best of the best. You still have the chances of being injured but, I've got movies and books and all kinds of info on the seals, and they are VERY good at what they do. Very good. And the training they go through is hell but they do it for the country. Your the best of the best if you're a seal, and if you're a seal I'd like to thank you for the hard work you went through to defend our country. If anyone wants to add me, especially a navy seal, because i've still got questions, add me i've got MSN Messenger, but also e-mail its drummer_boy_14_2007@hotmail.com Hoo-ya, Ricky

manjam

09-07-2004, 10:22 PM

ya.. my mom does the whole " dont do the military, u want to kill people?, you'll go to hell for killing people" blah blah crap.. she's never cried though.. dunno.. i just kinda blow it off .. mentally its like.. just stfu already.. but i just pretty much ignore her =/

sealpup121

09-07-2004, 10:54 PM

If you want to get her really upset just tell her you want to work for Halliburton after your stint in the Navy.

Huh?

sounds like the typical liberal counselor.

liberals bother you huh?

Squall, have your "liberal" counselor visit the site.. Please have her(?) ask for me. I'd love to give her a little more accurate assesment of SEAL personnel from a slightly liberal point of view.

Mr_Pips

09-08-2004, 07:57 AM

If you want to get her really upset just tell her you want to work for Halliburton after your stint in the Navy.

Huh?

Halliburton is the "evil oil company" that Cheney used to work for, the ones rebuilding the oil infrastructure in Iraq. One of the arguements from the far-left is that Bush and Cheney decided to go into Iraq so that their pals at Halliburton could make a lot of money. In essence, it's a joke.

sounds like the typical liberal counselor.

liberals bother you huh?

Not at all. I find those on the extreme left to be very funny and entertaining.

A62

09-08-2004, 09:39 AM

In essence, it's a joke.

Halliburton or cheney?

A62 out

Mr_Pips

09-08-2004, 11:23 AM

In essence, it's a joke.

Halliburton or cheney?

The statement "If you want to get her really upset just tell her you want to work for Halliburton after your stint in the Navy." was intended as a joke.

amelville

09-08-2004, 07:30 PM

Yes it's true that it was a liberal thing to say and I'm pretty sure most of you are die hard republicans. Here is the thing. You shouldn't just completely shut somebody out because you don't want to believe what they are telling you. Although her accusations seemed blown out of proportion they are probably based on some truth. In the real world there are people who beat their wives( **** ing pussies) and there are those who don't beat their wives. So with that logic I'm sure that there are SEALS who beat their wives and SEALS who don't. Then you add in the fact that they have been through combat and you could see how that might make them more violent. So instead of saying she is crazy or she completely right why don't you learn from it. All you have to do is say " Maybe there was some truth to what she is saying but I'm still going to join the SEALS. However I'm going to make sure that the experience doesn't change me so much that I beat my wife." The only way you'll ever gain wisdom is to listen to other people and then come to your own conclusions. If a person shuts everyone's opinion out but their own then they are a **** ing moron. I'm planning on joining the SEALS after college so don't take me for a softie.