Anyone else hear this?

[platinumike]

John Kerry promised to increase the number the size of hte military, not only that he promised to double the size of special forces. It most likely is just a campaign promise that he will never fufill, but if he actually did manage to do this, wouldnt it be good new for us SEAL wannabee's looking to get into BUD/S?

[Mr_Pips]

He also said he'd reduce the number of troops in Iraq. He says what he thinks people want to hear, not what he thinks is right.

[Goose]

Platt..

Are you implying that you think because Mr. Kerry is promising to double the number of special Operations soldiers in the military, that training will become less difficult?? You are gravely mistaken if that is the case. Besides... Mr. Kerry could not "double" the size of our spec ops soldiers in 4 years if he tried. Especially when the military is having a hard time retaining the ones they already have. He is simply talking out of his fickle minded ***, and that statement seriously shows how little he actually knows about special operations.

P.S. "Special Forces" is the Army spec ops brand, not the entire group. That is another mistake Mr. Kerry made in his speech... And to think, that just a little bit of homework, or better yet... actually caring... would have shown him this.

[platinumike]

no, I dont think training would be come easier at all, I just think they'll just start taaking more BUD/S applicants. He most likely made this promise in attempt to get the votes of thoose that are actively in the military.

[credm806]

In a non-partisan opinion, Sen. Kerry cares but you can't fault him for not knowing the difference between Army special forces and naval spec warfare. Give the guy a break hes a beaurocratic politician first and foremost, not a military analyst. :-) I don't mean to open up a can of political worms here guys, I'm on your side...lol

[Hinthial]

John Kerry promised to increase the number the size of hte military, not only that he promised to double the size of special forces. It most likely is just a campaign promise that he will never fufill, but if he actually did manage to do this, wouldnt it be good new for us SEAL wannabee's looking to get into BUD/S?


The SEALs are currently only 85% manned right now. From what I have read on this sight class sizes are already getting bigger. That doesn't mean that anymore people are getting through. I think that if they increased the class sizes from where they are, that the first couple weeks would actually be even harder as the instructors try to weed down the class as fast as possible.

From my research I have read that there were times in the past when BUD/S trainees did not have to ring the bell to DOR and other times when they did not have to go through Hellweek. These decisions were caused by higher ups trying to make training easier or to get more guys through. However, the BUD/S instructors are the gate keepers and the same number of guys always made it through. If they increase the class sizes, I think it will only get harder for those at BUD/S.

Hinthial

[Goose]

I agree..

I dont want to see the teams turn into some big, cumbersome force, competing for the same amount of money from a limited bugdet. It will only hurt the teams as well as increase the amount of time it takes to get one SEAL up to operational status. It just seems like the pipeline for schools and advanced training once your on the teams are already competetive enough...
That is my opinion...

[Gedicks]

First of all John Kerry is a coward and a disgrace to this great nation. He lied about his military record and his CO has even come forward to say that one of Kerry's Purple Hearts was for a superficial scrape that he got from a tree branch. And credm806 you can fault Kerry for not knowing the difference. He was an Lt. in the Navy and he constantly pushes his "war hero" status on anyone who will listen. If you are going to claim to be a war hero and all of this other crap then you had better know somehting as simple the difference between spec-ops and Special Forces. Anyone who has been around the military for any sustained length of time knows that much.

[FUBAR]

ok i may not have seen the article you are talking about where he said he would double the special forces but i did see in the democrat and cronicle that kerry said he would "increase the budget of clandestine operations". again i may have missed the article you are talking about but i think what he is talking about is the statement i said.

[A62]

Son,

You need to know what you are talking about before inserting foot.



If you are going to claim to be a war hero and all of this other crap then you had better know somehting as simple the difference between spec-ops and Special Forces.


I'm not a "war hero" but I am a Combat Vet and I didn't know the difference till my son became a SEAL.




Anyone who has been around the military for any sustained length of time knows that much.


again, your blowing it out your 4th point of contact.



He lied about his military record and his CO has even come forward to say that one of Kerry's Purple Hearts was for a superficial scrape that he got from a tree branch.


It would seem that the CO is backpeddling. He has backed off of his former statements. Soooo, maybe the CO lied and Not Kerry?

After you spend 4 months in a combat zone, you will be qualified to critisize his record, untill then, stifle it, Edith.LOL

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[A62]

Someone deleted a post here that I just answered. However, I hope you can get the gist of it.



but don't you think that maybe Kerry lied seeing as this many of his fellow vets are against him?


Wellll, no. None of those people were on his boat. It's kinda like the folks in my Btry judging what I did. They didn't know becuase they weren't with me. I learned along time ago to not make judgements about my fellow Vets. If you were in-country, you are my brother. We can get into a combat arms and REMF etc, but I do not anymore. Met a guy at my reunion that was a cook for our btry. I never met him because I was never back on the guns, but the 2 times he saw "action" were enough for me realise he is a combat vet too. He did a hell of alot more for his country than those that never showed up for the party. Soo, ya'll want to knock Kerry, have at it, but stick to his record in congress or what he did when he got back from the Nam.

I will say this. I am extremely disturbed by the rift in the Vet community(especially the Viet Nam Vet community) that this is causeing and I hope that after the election, no matter who wins, we can all forget it and Charlie Mike.

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[sealpup121]

I hope that after the election, no matter who wins, we can all forget it

You never learn from information you forget. You never learn if your too busy to be taught.

[ThurstonHowell]

Kerry was a boat guy. He'll probably make us all wear life jackets, run around with paddles and tell every woman what we do for a living.

[Gedicks]

Soo, ya'll want to knock Kerry, have at it, but stick to his record in congress or what he did when he got back from the Nam.


First of all I admit I was wrong in my first post about knowing the difference between spec-ops and Special Forces. But let me ask how you can say to only knock Kerry on his record AFTER Vietnam when his campaign is very heavily based on his record IN Vietnam? Every time anything Kerry comes on the T.V. or radio all I hear is how he is more of a man than Bush because he served in a combat zone and how he saved a man's life in combat, how he ran his Swift boat through enemy fire to complete a mission, or how he won all his medals (that he later threw over the White House fence). And what he did when he got back from 'Nam. He betrayed his country and his brothers-in-arms by befriending the Communist Party. He has a place in the War Crimes museum in 'Nam. And oh yeah, he voted for the nuclear freeze during the Cold War and then he supported the Sandinista regime. If it was up to Kerry the Soviet Union would still be a superpower and our military would be fighting with rocks. Kerry voted against twenty-seven different weapons systems. And by the way A62 the CO said he did not back off of his comments and in fact has placed them in a television ad. An ad which has caused Kerry backers to threaten T.V. stations that play the ad. So there is his record after 'Nam. I have great respect for you because of your service to our country and for that I sincerely thank you. So A62 do not take any of what I say as disrespectful in any way.

[A62]

I say as disrespectful in any way.


Absolutely not. I welcome, and believe it or not, respect your opinion. I just don't agree with it.LOL

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[DViperGTS]

I was going to say something, but Ge **** s already said it. Ahh ill say it anyway. In my opinion, the fact that he served in Vietnam should not matter in whether or not he will be a better president then Bush. However, he always brings that fact up, so we really can not ignore it. Also, his history after he got back from Vietnam, in my opinion, would make him a horrible president. All the things he voted against and what he did to disrespect his country are ridiculous. Just my two cents.

And A62, thank you very much for serving for our country. And, just like Ge **** s said, please don't take my comments as disrespectfull in any way.

[A62]

And A62, thank you very much for serving for our country. And, just like Ge **** s said, please don't take my comments as disrespectfull in any way.


Gentlemen,

If you were to call me a REMF, pencil **** ed mofo, I might take offense or think maybe you were "dissing" me.LOL However, you may disagree with me and after the dance, we can still have a couple brewskis and be GTG. And again you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Just don't expect me to go for it.Hehe. You see, to know what it's like, you have to BE there. Wheather you like it or not Kerry, was there. W was not, in any way shape or form.

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[sealpup121]

He'll probably make us all wear life jackets, run around with paddles

Sounds like BUD/S

[sealpup121]

But let me ask how you can say to only knock Kerry on his record AFTER Vietnam when his campaign is very heavily based on his record IN Vietnam?

Maybe because the guy DOES have a record in Vietnam and the other guy ....? what did he do again? There is a pattern by chickenhawks of spreading dis-information to deflect the fact that DUBAYA has no combat record. Even if you go to what Kerry has done after Vietnam in government, what record is there of DUBAYA? Failed business then playing a game of baseball owner, then Gov. of Texas of which he ran for President for six years. After he and his party critized Clinton for doing that in Arkansas. Sure "they were gonna do it better". Better, or learned the same trick?



In all candor folks we should move this discussion to the appropriate forum. I can't see where this fits. But as we know I am considered suffering lunacy

[A62]

In all candor folks we should move this discussion to the appropriate forum. I can't see where this fits. But as we know I am considered suffering lunacy


Pup,

This is the only forum these young men can post in, I believe. I'm not too sure there is an appropriate one for them.
Lunacy is contageous.LOL

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[sealpup121]

I'm not too sure there is an appropriate one for them.

Damn, that means we need a new forum?

[Gedicks]

Even if you go to what Kerry has done after Vietnam in government, what record is there of DUBAYA? Failed business then playing a game of baseball owner, then Gov. of Texas of which he ran for President for six years.


I would take that post-Vietnam record any day over Kerry's anti-American behavior. Let's see, Kerry participated in talks in Paris with the Communists, an act that under UCMJ Section 904 Article 104 were grounds enough for a certain court-martial and even the death penalty. And then Kerry paticipated in talks as a member of the VVAW to assassinate pro-war Senate members. Yeah I can see how having a failed business and owning a baseball team is worse.

[A62]

And then Kerry paticipated in talks as a member of the VVAW to assassinate pro-war Senate members. Yeah I can see how having a failed business and owning a baseball team is worse.


Hehe, taken right off the websight.LOL Do some research, find out what REALLY happened at that meeting. and how "real" the threat was. Then read Lt. Cmdr Mike Walsh's "SEAL!". Talk to me abour scary scenarios.


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[Gedicks]

I own a copy of Lt. Cdmr. Walsh's book. You should read the book "Reckless Disregard" by Lt. Col. Robert Patterson, USAF, Ret. In the book Lt. Col. Patterson addresses the infamous meetings that took place November12-15, 1971. Although Kerry did vote against the plan the fact that he had aligned himself with people like that is ridiculous. Then he claimed he was never at the meeting until the FBI surveillance files were shown to him confirming that he was there. After that the incident was a "historical footnote" and "such ancient history" according to Kerry. So the fact that he was in Vietnam in 1969 is relevant to his campaign but these meetings two years later are "such ancient history"? Doesn't make sense to me.

[A62]

Although Kerry did vote against the plan the fact that he had aligned himself with people like that is ridiculous


It is rediculous for him to have aligned himselfe with people who made "noise" about assassination. In the Lt Commanders book he writes about not only wanting to but actually gathering intell to assassinate Jane Fonda. Now I have never particularly cared for her, but still. It is a scary scenario when anyone thinks they are above the Law.IMO


BTW, I was a member of the South Dakota Collegiate Veterans, which associated itselfe with VVAW. It was the only game in town at the time.

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[sealpup121]

an act that under UCMJ Section 904 Article 104 were grounds enough for a certain court-martial and even the death penalty.

So bring him up on charges.

Yeah I can see how having a failed business and owning a baseball team is worse.

Thats the best he did?. Kerry was involved in the federal government for 18 yrs as a supposed scum bag?. Then why did the republicans waste so much time on Clinton? What, they wait til they lose? Then muster the troops to trash a man for next fifty years? Yet they revere a second rate actor. Republicans love to trash another vet as only being a reporter and being guarded. Then they trash one of their own's service, next trash Kerry. Must be nice logical dreams of granduer DUBAYA has as he hits the sheets after talking to GOD in the Holy of Holies, the Chapel on the Prairie. Bring it to the jungle.

[lmdiggi]

Cosign. Unfit for Command will def hurt this lying, politically motivated opportunist, piece of garbage.

[Mizatt10]

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