Drugs

[XnochanceX]

On your physical in BUDs, are you tested for brain damage due to the prolong use of drugs like ecstasy?

[Stoner68]

From what I understand if the test won't get you and you really have used that drug extensively you more than likely will not make the grade. I just don't know if there is permanent damage to the body from the drug but I hope you don't do drugs.Even though it seems like a person on drugs has it all together that slight hesitation that is there in the brain wires is the difference between life and death and may harm your team members whatever team you would join.

[SeaHawk123]

I agree with Stoner68..I really hope you aren't useing Drugs. If you are STOP!!!! Drugs can not only harm you and your also taken a chance with your life they can also destroy your family! You are better off being Drug Free. Alot of you kids say you do Drugs because of the peer presure, It is time to take a stand and say NO It isn't cool to do Drugs. It can be done. Drugs Aren't Cool!!!

[XnochanceX]

I was asking because, i have done some ecstacy in the passed. Im not proud of it but i did do that every so often and i was wondering. Drugs do seem like anwers at times and in my life it did at the moment. We all make mistakes, I made mine.

[elpaninaro]

I am not a SEAL, so I cannot testify to specifics on this issue, but I would encourage you to think logically about this.

I come from a military family- grandfather, father and older brother. All of them had "special duties" within the military- one a flight surgeon, one a paratrooper, and one who almost became a Navy Pilot but failed a minor point on his last physical exam over a deviated septum.

All of them have told me the physical tests they endured to qualify for their posts (or not in the case of my brother) were amazingly rigorous. They found out things about their own bodies they never knew.

And I would imagine the physical inspection for prospective SEALs is even more intense than what any of them had to endure.

I do know this, the instructions for BUDs applications in my area call for a physical examination that begins with you reporting at 5AM with the warning to plan to be there for at least 3-4 hours.

To top it off, let us suppose that a drug addict can pass the test. Well what happens when you get there and start BUDs? Consider whether the body and mind of a regular drug user will be able to handle the physical and mental demands of SEAL training. And with training taking up the ENTIRE day from morning to night- when would a drug user even have time to indulge his habit? Withdrawl is not a pretty sight for the first few days, and would be a downright disaster during the most rigorous military training in the world.

If you are speaking of yourself, take the advice of others and do what you have to do to get away from drugs. If you want to be a SEAL, then you have taken the first step by finding a worthwhile goal in life you can be damn proud of. Read all you can about the SEALs. Download the Warning Order which includes a good workout program to prepare you for the PT test to enter BUDs and work on that. Let this dream make use of time that would be otherwise spent on drugs.

Good luck to you- fight hard and do what YOU want (not what the drugs tell you that you want) and I think you will do fine.

[SeaHawk123]

XnochanceX


We all make mistakes


I agree with that. As the saying goes you learn from your
mistakes. One thing we have to do is admit we made a
mistake, then learn from the mistake we made. When you
learn from your mistakes you made, then you become a
better person.



Drugs do seem like anwers at times and in my life it did at the moment.



We all have rough times in our lives even us Adults but, I feel
that to say that is a poor excuse to use Drugs. The drugs don't
help and when you come down the problems you have will still
be there for you, it doesn't make the problems go away.
My sons deal with Drug issues all the time in the past 4
years or more in the school. They have lost friendships
because they took a Stand and said NO but as my son
says they aren't your true Friends.

For all you kids out there who are reading this I want
to say that if you do Drugs even once in your life or a
short time it can have effect what Career you choose
in your life after High School. Some Careers won't
even let you in if you have used Drugs once in your
life. Something to think about!!

SeaHawk

[A62]

I do not have a positive answer for you. I do know that I have had students that were honest enough to admit they done or tried drugs and they were disqualified for the service.(any service) I have had other students lie about it and they have been accepted. I have no answer as to what you should do, that is between you and your value system. You might check with CH as he is the expert on what they will allow.
A62 out

[XnochanceX]

I by no means used drugs extensively, just few times :p. Whos is CH though?

[dazedcunf]

I'll have to disagree with Stoner. I put enough **** up my nose, and in my veins back in high school to kill all the elephants in Africa. I ate enough acid to be considered insane. (Not sure if that was a plus or not.) I wasn't a SEAL, but played with them for four years. I did have to lie to get in the Navy.(Recruiter filled out a second drug page that was acceptable.) They did find out when I went for my TS clearance at specwar. By that time I had been in the Navy long enough that I had my performance to fall back on. I had an optempo of 75%, I got requested a lot for ops, and always said yes. I knew my **** , and took my job seriously. It all came down to personal accountability. You're either a person who gives 110% or you slack. That's the bottom line. Am I proud of my drug use? Yes and no. If it were not for my bad habits I never would have joined the Navy. I needed a change. I was on the quick road to jail or an early death. The Navy was a way out, and it turned out to be an adventure. As sick as it sounds I still miss going to third world **** holes, getting the craps, and laughing at the incompetence of other countries militaries.

[Stoner68]

You can disagree all you want ,but the fact is you lied to get in. Would you lie to a teammate to get ahead?
Maybe the drugs didn't affect you as you say. I wonder what people you worked with would say. I am sorry ,I couldn't work with you. That was a pretty big lack of ethics to get in the Navy. You probably are a nice guy but there would always be that slight question about you. I would rather work with someone drug free.

Stoner

[hazmat]

Drugs are Bad. MMMKay! Don't do Drugs MMMKay!

[dazedcunf]

Would you lie to a teammate to get ahead?


No, I never did, and never would. I actually got into trouble for bieng truthful once.


I wonder what people you worked with would say.


I got a few LOC's and LOA's while I was in. Always had good evals. (Except for the Military Bearing thing. Always got 3.8's there. Putting military creases in my working dungarees, or starching my cammies until they could stand on their own for work was a waste of time, and money. Wrinkle free, until inspection was my motto.) I went through ET school, and was # 12 out of 30 in my class. (I had a GED)


You probably are a nice guy but there would always be that slight question about you. I would rather work with someone drug free.


I try to be a nice guy. You wouldn't have a question about your drinking buddy as long as he did his job though. Booze is a drug. We both know the military could keep the booze industry in the black even if all civilians quit drinking. What's the difference?

I think we would probably get along good. If I never told you I did drugs, you would never know, and never question me.

[Stoner68]

You are again assuming that this type of ethics is just for you. You may be an exception to the rule,however not everyone is like you and generally speaking most others would continue the drug habit or become hooked on something else. Now as far as alcohol. It is legal ,it is relaxing and most of the time the end result isn't just to get high ?
I think! You sound like an exception to a general rule. Sound like a hard worker.

Are you proposing don't ask ,don't tell???????

Stoner......Not Stoned!

[hazmat]

I use to weld on underground fuel storage tanks. Once while I was in a small tank (only about 5'
across) bead blasting, I had a problem with my air, luckily I could go to the hole and just stand up
and get some fresh air, because the guy that was suppose to be my surface man was sitting in the
truck with his girlfriend doing some coke. I didn't say anything that night, but the next night was his
turn to bead blast the other tank and it was 20' across. I let him get about an hour into the job, when
I shut off his air supply. About the time his airline quit jerking around I turned it back on and dropped a ladder
down the hole. When he stuck his head thru the hole I got him by the neck face to face and told him
next time I caught him doing drugs on the job I would not turn the air back on. He didn't last much
longer after that. Decided his future was somewhere else. Stoner makes a good point, alcohol is
legal, but I would not have tolorated it on the job either.

[Stoner68]

I agree 100% .Generally someone has an experience and comes out smelling like a rose like dazedcunf did. Hazmat ,I would have done the same thing that you did. How many times have you heard someone say "the drugs or alcohol didn't affect me". There is a time and a place to drink and no time or place to do drugs!!!!

Stoner