Gokus, RE: The Infantry

[Mac679]

First off, the Infantry is the force in warfare that all others support. ( I'm not really including SOF in that statement because they fall into an odd grey area. ) The only other force in combat arms that directly engages the enemy is Armor and we tend to support each other in mechanized units. We have taken ground and held at the cost of our lives since the begining of war when the first caveman hit another one over the head with a rock to kick him out of his cave. We use weapons ranging from 25mm cannons to TOW2 anti tank missiles to M16A4 assault rifes and M240B machines to our oldest tool and the one we are most recognized for, the bayonet. Our mission is to close with and destroy the enemy by means of fire and manuever.

Now I can't speak for the Marine Corps but I've heard a few things from NCOs I've served under who've been both Marine and Army Infantry.
First off USMC Boot and the School of Infantry do a better job of training you from what I've been told than Infantry OSUT does, but that the Army does a better job of training one over their enlistment/career. Also going to a ship for 6mos after Boot and SOI don't help further your training.
Second the Army offers more schools and depending on your unit, they may or may not be readily accessible. Promotions are also easier to come by in the Army. In the Marine Corps it requires a combination of three things to get promoted: someone ahead of you dying or retiring, proper celestial alignment, and an act of God.

I've heard the barracks in the Corps aren't too great but getting better. The Army has some nice barracks, and some that I wouldn't use for MOUT practice.

Ultimately what it comes down to is this, which service offers what you want to do in the Infantry ( Recon, Ranger, Pathfinder, LRS/Scout, Sniper, Scout-Sniper, Airborne, etc. )

Either branch will be what you make of them.

Mac
if you have more questions, lemme know and I'll try and answer them

[warpig]

but that the Army does a better job of training one over their enlistment/career.

I will say that you honestly dont realize the training a USMC infantryman goes through. so please refrain from making any statements that you know nothing about! further more USMC lcpl has the same responsibility as an E-5 in the average airborne unit( dont be upset its reality, face it) traing over the years of being in, i see your on active duty not very long but i will give credit where its due. the army has outstanding schools that every brach of service attends(budget). honestly realize that the straight leg usmc infanrty is well versed in over 17 different missions when doing a work up. i will explain later. the mission of the usmc is more on the lines as a quick strike force ( short term), not to occupy an area for a long period of time. i realize that is not every army warhound units mission but as a whole it is. how many neos, traps, vbss, and goplat ops has any army unit participated in in the last 10 years(spec ops included), zero. my point is the usmc staright leg infantry is the most versitle unit in the us arsenal.

[warpig]

but that the Army does a better job of training one over their enlistment/career.

mac, how can tou possibly say, what you havent personnaly encountered. first of all, every marine infantryman is profficient in awide variety of missions (anything from a NEO, TRAP, MOBA, recon, DM, raids ect...) if im correct yes the marine corps attends alot of army schools, why is that( simply budget) at any given school you will find a USMC instructor. also the rigors of training to be able to be qualified as MEU SOC are there also. if im not mistakin the only unit that is able to complete half the missions a BLT is capcble of is hmmmmm. the rangers, with that being said should the BLT be under SOCOM? what you need to understand harddawg there are seperate missions. USMC short term to establish a foot hold and army to concentrate on a massive ground campaign, i know in the past both have had to do reverse roles, but look at what the training is conducted for(the cold war is over, the army is realizing that now) in 1993 i was one of the 4 usmc instructors out of sotg to train the squad ldrs and above from both the rangers and the famous 82nd, at both lejeune and bragg. not saying who is better just look at the missions. what are the rangers mainly used for( airfield seizures and aslo as a blocking force so delta can complete there mission. close isnt it. as for the 6 month deployment, bro how many times in the last 10 years has any army unit conducted a neo or a trap .... zero. so the meu is bound to be in a hot spot on either a westpac or a med float. if you would like more info on this just feel free to ask

[A62]

USMC lcpl has the same responsibility as an E-5 in the average airborne unit( dont be upset its reality, face it)


based on what? Your opinion?

honestly realize that the straight leg usmc infanrty is well versed in over 17 different missions when doing a work up. i will explain later


Explain now and don't use all your USMC acronams. MEU used to be MAF.etc.

the mission of the usmc is more on the lines as a quick strike force ( short term), not to occupy an area for a long period of time.


Yea, thats why the corps had such a dificult time in RVN. That is why the Army did the dirty work in WWII. Cleaning out the caves.

how many neos, traps, vbss, and goplat ops has any army unit participated in in the last 10 years(spec ops included), zero


Evidently because we don't know what in the hell your talking about.


my point is the usmc? you don't cap USMC? staright leg infantry is the most versitle unit in the us arsenal.


Again, says you. What it does it say in Janes? Why don't you cap USMC, is it not an acronym?

Warpig,
As has been stated many times in here, each service performs their own mission and are good at what they do. The subject of who is best is totally subjective. I could tell you some stories about USMC(The Crotch back then) you probably wouldn't believe. Tone it down, one gets real tired of Ra Ra USMC.
A62 out
FO for 1/9, 2/4 and 2/1.

[warpig]

based on what? Your opinion?


No, it was based on what i have witnessed, noy to say that it is true throughout the army.

Explain now and don't use all your USMC acronams. MEU used to be MAF.etc.

No, the MEU was never reffered to as the MAF. The MAF was a much larger unit. TRAP (Tactical Recovery of Aircraft and Personnel) , NEO(Non-combatant Evacuation Operation),GOPLAT(Gas and Oilplatform).....etc. I was not meaning to degrade anyone, my point was this, the average infantryman (marine) is well versed in a variety of missions.Not only do they assist and perform those above but also your OTH raids, riverine assaults, etc. Not to say there isnt another branch or unit that cannot perform these missions, but it not only takes practice but also experience.

you don't cap USMC

yes you do hence the name (United States Marine Corps)

Yea, thats why the corps had such a dificult time in RVN. That is why the Army did the dirty work in WWII. Cleaning
out the caves.

easy, no i wasnt there but its hard to believe that it was only the Corps that had a difficult time(c'mon, your diggin now)

[warpig]

Again, says you. What it say in Janes?

Well, Jane's is the book every military force should should invest in to revamp thier service off of

As has been stated many times in here, each service performs their own mission and are good at what they do.

I totally agree, there is a purpose for every unit within the military. havn't seen a unit that isnt worth its weight. Of course im pro Marine, Im not meaning to bash anyone, I have family members in every branch, but I like to give knowledge to those who lack it in certain areas.Just like i am willing to recieve the same.

FO for 1/9, 2/4 and 2/1

Good to go, support is all around

[A62]

Warpig,
As I said in another post, sorry, I got a little carried away. Didn't think that would bother me after all the years, but what the hey. Thanks for filling in the Acrnyms and I was refering to your non-capitalization of USMC not mine as I have always capped it(I hope)LOL. Eat the Apple and Sempre Fi.
A62 out

BTW, do they still use the old phrase Eat the apple etc. for an attitude check?

[Gokusfusion]

when the first caveman hit another one over the head with a rock to kick him out of his cave.

I liked how you stated that lol.. I am very sorry for not thanking you sooner than this. I didn't see you had posted here in regards to my questions. I really appreciate it and thank you for taking time to help me out.

God Bless.
Jason.