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tfwmissions
10-17-2003, 11:16 PM
OK, before you all shout me down,I have this question, and yes, I know this is an Army spec ops forum.
Would any of you by any chance know what Air Force life is like when you have a wife and child?? How long they are shipped off for? Can you bring your family if you are shipped overseas? etc....anything will help. Thanks again and yes, for those of you who didn't already see it, I know this is an ARMY forum. Thanks again. God bless!
Samuel
AirDefender
10-18-2003, 05:29 AM
This guy can't be serious. You've stated twice that you "KNOW" this is an army spec ops forum, so then you should KNOW you're asking your question in the wrong place.
tfwmissions
10-19-2003, 12:33 AM
This guy can't be serious. You've stated twice that you "KNOW" this is an army spec ops forum, so then you should KNOW you're asking your question in the wrong place.
Well, the reson that I posted in here is because THE FREAKING POST GET ANSWERED QUICKER. Do you think that somebody that is in another branch other than the Air Force might, just maybe could know something about that branch??? So before you run your mouth and look like an idiot please check yourself and grow up a little. Remember, it was just a question. I've known many guys in the Army that could say things about the AirForce, Marines, or Navy, intelligent things. God bless you anyway.
Samuel
USSFPA
10-19-2003, 09:26 AM
Would any of you by any chance know what Air Force life is like when you have a wife and child?? How long they are shipped off for? Can you bring your family if you are shipped overseas? etc....anything will help
TWFPreacherDude...
The services share a great amount of similiarity whe it comes to garrison overseas deployments. The vast MAJORITY, but not all, overseas assignements are available for command sponsorship (bringing your family on the gov't dime). The Air Force, traditionally has much better facilities IMO. Their hours TEND do be somewhat less demanding due to the type of work that MOST are involved in as compared to a light infantry or ground unit whose main effort is open combat.
PA
The Air Force, traditionally has much better facilities IMO. Their hours TEND do be somewhat less demanding due to the type of work that MOST are involved in as compared to a light infantry or ground unit whose main effort is open combat.
hehehe. How true. Off we go..........................Into the tame blue yonder...........
PA, ya ever had a zoomie tell ya how hard Lackland is? It's depressing to listen to.ROTF
A62 out
Malarkey
10-19-2003, 04:55 PM
well back in WWII the skies weren't a very tame place to be.........back...in WWII....
tfwmissions
10-20-2003, 06:49 PM
PA, ya ever had a zoomie tell ya how hard Lackland is? It's depressing to listen to.ROTF
I think I can taste the sarcasim on that post, however, I have never heard how hard Lackland is. Why don't you fill me in? Why is it so depressing? I gotta say, I'm more of a soldier type. Ranger, SF, Delta, SEAL, and Recon is more my speed. However, I have a family and I don't want to end up like most in Spec Ops with failed marriages because they were never around to meet their wifes needs. I'm sure a couple of you know what I'm talking about, or know someone who went through that. That's why I'm considering the Air Force over any other branch. They cater more to families and understand that family is actually important,unlike the Marines who, well, I respect them anyway so I won't talk bad about how they could care less about family life. Anyway, God bless you guys and see ya later.
Samuel
yossarian
10-20-2003, 08:13 PM
I don't want to end up like most in Spec Ops with failed marriages because they were never around to meet their wifes needs.
You don't know a darn thing and are going on "but I heard..." I've been married more than 18 years. Tracy one of the mods has been married longer than that. I have a friend whose husband is in SFOD-D and they have been married 20 years. We have lots of friends who are on their first marraige and going strong.
A failed marriage is going to happen if you let no matter how you make a living. Making a marriage work is up to the people involved. Just like getting through SF training - If you want to succed bad enough then you will. A lot of SF guys see divorce as failure and that's a word they have a hard time living with.
yossarian
10-20-2003, 08:18 PM
Malarky - see that marriage thing? That's one of the mistakes Clancy made. He talked about the failure rate of SF marriages. What does he know about it?
Swimmer2004
10-21-2003, 08:57 AM
They cater more to families and understand that family is actually important,unlike the Marines who, well, I respect them anyway so I won't talk bad about how they could care less about family life.
And you would know about that information how? Stop making assumptions. I have read many of your posts over the years and think you should just forget about the military all together.
My humble opinions,
Lee
P.S. sorry to intrude....retreating to my rock.
I think I can taste the sarcasim on that post, however, I have never heard how hard Lackland is. Why don't you fill me in? Why is it so depressing?
Lackland is just that, lack land. It is very easy, if you can't pass AF Boot, give it up. It is depressing to listen to some Af type telling you how tough it was.
That's why I'm considering the Air Force over any other branch.
Go for it and good luck. You are right, they do tend to live better than the other branches. Evidently they get the money to be able to invest in families more than other services.
I gotta say, I'm more of a soldier type. Ranger, SF, Delta, SEAL, and Recon is more my speed.
Hmmmmm.
A62 out
naoscaire
10-21-2003, 10:36 AM
Ranger, SF, Delta, SEAL, and Recon is more my speed
You are not committed to it so no it is not your speed.
However, I have a family and I don't want to end up like most in Spec Ops with failed marriages because they were never around to meet their wifes needs.
Its all a matter of opinion, Mine is that if a person believe's their marriage would hold up then it has already failed. There is NOTHING stronger then a marriage than can withstand a SOF situation, and personally I wouldnt want a marriage the couldnt meet the test.
Padre dude,
It sounds like you have your priorities set for YOU, and you should, Dont settle on a service branch for the sake of serving if you settle for the sake of it then your family will suffer, you will suffer and you teammates will suffer. If family wins out over SOF for you then just except that and move on, as a preacher maybe you should think of working with the kids that will be returning from war and their families THAT is indeed a needed service
Joker419
10-21-2003, 11:12 AM
if you can't pass AF Boot, give it up. It is depressing to listen to some Af type telling you how tough it was.
That's funny because just yesterday one of my friends in the Air National Guard was talking about the "hell they call 'boot camp'" hahaha. I thought it was hilarious because out of the group he was talking to, two were former 10th Mtn and one was 101st Airborne... they were snickering and suppressing laughter the entire time. Obviously I haven't been there or done that, so I won't criticize the guy too bad- but from everything he said, AF bootcamp is a joke. His last comment was "if I had been able to run an 8 minute mile before I went in, it would've been easier" LOL.
Malarkey
10-21-2003, 11:23 AM
Yoss, yes he did talk about that a lot early in the book I'm reading....didn't he leave his wife??
Naos, whatd you mean by "you are not committed to it so it is not your speed"? I'm not tryuing to be smart or disagree, i hjust dont get what you meant by it? sorry if I'm out of line asking about a statement that wasnt directed towards me.
USSFPA
10-21-2003, 12:09 PM
JEEZ!!!! I'm off the boards for a day and look at all this!
My take on stuff said...
Being wishywashy won't get you through the training....
One person won't make a marriage, but the area between the beltline and knees will certainly break one....
Lackland is absolutely ridiculous and the AF should be embarrassed by what it takes to wear the uniform...
And yes, seeing the "Blue Bells" crying on the phone at the San Antonio USO is a bit of hilarity that all soldiers should experience at least once in their carreer.
I may have missed a point or two...I'll come back to them later :D
PA
naoscaire
10-21-2003, 01:26 PM
Naos, whatd you mean by "you are not committed to it so it is not your speed"? I'm not tryuing to be smart or disagree
Simply put, If you are listening to or thinking of ANY reasons NOT to persue the SOF life then it then it most likely will not work out well for you.
tfwmissions
10-21-2003, 09:39 PM
They cater more to families and understand that family is actually important,unlike the Marines who, well, I respect them anyway so I won't talk bad about how they could care less about family life.
Ok, allow me to answer you. First of all, I respect you swimmer and if I say anything that you may presume to be rude or disrespectful then please disregard. I know because I do my research!!! I ask many people from all branches. Maybe it's just my experience but ALL my friends who were in the Marines had either very hard and extrenuous marriages, or they had failed marriages because the Marines did not cater to their FAMILY NEEDS. Look at the Corporal, about a year ago or so, that was single with a daughter. She got orders to ship overseas for a one year assignment I believe it was. She was featured on 60 minutes because the Marine Corp, as good as they are, told her to get rid of her child (Put the child up for adoption) or release the child to the state for care because whether she likes it or not she was going overseas. She refuted that order and was given a dishonorable discharge, to which she is also disputing. TELL ME SWIMMER IF THAT ISN'T WRONG!!! That one incident was just more proof that the Marines care more about one E-3 fullfilling a duty that could have been catered to but wasn't. Almost the same goes for the Army. I won't even get on the Navy. Here this was the BABIES only legal guardian and parent and the Marine Corp basically spit in her face (metaphoricaly speaking of course) So you ask how I know. I know because I talk to people and lots of them. 100% of ALL swimmer, that's right, ALL people who have served in the military in different branches, especially the Navy and Marine Corp, have told me that if you have a family the Air Force is the place to go because they cater more to your family needs. Does that mean I don't respect or like other military branches? Absolutely not! I respect all service men for SERVING. I have not made any assumptions! I have simply done my homework and after hearing form many many people from every branch I came to the conclusion that Air Force is the way to go if you have a family. God bless you buddy and thanks for serving!
tfwmissions
10-21-2003, 09:49 PM
One person won't make a marriage, but the area between the beltline and knees will certainly break one
Didn't entirly get that one but I think I know what your trying to say.
Lackland is absolutely ridiculous and the AF should be embarrassed by what it takes to wear the uniform...
LOOK AT WHAT THEY DO!!! You don't exactly have to run 5 mile eagles to type on a computer or do imagery analysis etc.... I think, with all due respect, that you should be embarassed by what you posted!
And yes, seeing the "Blue Bells" crying on the phone at the San Antonio USO is a bit of hilarity that all soldiers should experience at least once in their carreer.
Oh Lord. How do you know that their not crying because they just recieved word that their mother or father died? Or because they might have recieved other devistating news about a loved one or friend?? Give me a break, the Air Force might not require much in the physical arena but they do require you to be away from family and loved ones like any other branch and that could be more painful for some than others. You don't know what their cying about so I would suggest that you not make beligerent statements like that because, in my opinion, it only embarrasses yourself and what you stand for buddy. I respect you though for serving and hope that God leads you and guides you as he does us all. Lord knows, we all need it sometimes. God bless you and keep you.
Samuel
USSFPA
10-21-2003, 11:44 PM
Well Samuel,
This will be my last response to you...about anything.
As far as my post goes, with the exception of the CCT, TAC-P, some LSA's and PJ's, most AF training I have been exposed to has been less then mentally stressful or character buiding in nature. I have been in San Antonio for no less than 6 different medical courses over the past 20 years, some of which were over a year in length AND I worked as a paramedic in San Antonio. So I am VERY familiar with the USO, Lackland, the Riverwalk, and most things San Antonio related. I have experience in this area, you don't, so I am not at all embarrassed about what I posted regarding their recruit training.
I DO know what they are crying about, because the whole USO can hear them whining on the phone. I heard it in 1999 when I was there last, just like I heard it in 1983 when I was there the first time.
You have your opinions that you freely express in these forums, and you have absolutely no practical experience to back them up. Your aspirations of being "high speed" have turned into little more than drivel that is tolerated with no serious thought being given to your following through by anyone here who has earned my respect.
So, I leave you with this, you came here seeking input from people who have been places and done things, yet you discount the very things they tell you for your own pristine visions and (pardon the pun) holier than thou attitude.
That being said, from here on out, there will be two more responses from me to you, if you hear from me at all. One will be your warning if you step out of line, the second will be your notification of being banned.
Enjoy NSC, you are not worth my time or effort, so I will simply ignore you from here on out.
PA
yossarian
10-22-2003, 03:52 AM
Yoss, yes he did talk about that a lot early in the book I'm reading....didn't he leave his wife??
This is Springer Show Stuff (SSS) not Special Op Force (SOF) but so what? ;) Yeah he did leave her after he got busy and wrote some books and made some money. I can't recall the whole deal, but it wasn't pretty. Guess some writers have a lousy record of marriage too LMAO!!!
Not committed, to me, means you aren't ready to go in with both feet. Failure is not an option. There have been some things I have wanted to quit on, but just can't bring myself to do it. I talk to myself as I'm going along do them and say crap like "That's it! I've had enough. I am not to do this anymore." All the while I'm saying it and *****ing about doing whatever it is I've just been steady doing what needs done and by the time I truly am ready to quit - the job is done. It's almost like saying I'm going to quit (to myself) makes me feel better. It's knowing that I can even though I don't. Even my 7yr old does that. He has a little mantra that he says. "Be a tough guy, FIDO! Be a tough guy, FIDO"
Malarkey
10-22-2003, 11:25 AM
Guess some writers have a lousy record of marriage too LMAO!!!
LOL
Not committed, to me, means you aren't ready to go in with both feet. Failure is not an option. There have been some things I have wanted to quit on, but just can't bring myself to do it. I talk to myself as I'm going along do them and say crap like "That's it! I've had enough. I am not to do this anymore." All the while I'm saying it and *****ing about doing whatever it is I've just been steady doing what needs done and by the time I truly am ready to quit - the job is done. It's almost like saying I'm going to quit (to myself) makes me feel better. It's knowing that I can even though I don't.
ohhhhh ok thanks.
Even my 7yr old does that. He has a little mantra that he says. "Be a tough guy, FIDO! Be a tough guy, FIDO"
LOL thats funny, i remember doin that when i was around that age...every choice id get id stop and think what an "army man" would do..
tfwmissions
10-22-2003, 03:38 PM
Well Samuel,
This will be my last response to you...about anything.
As far as my post goes, with the exception of the CCT, TAC-P, some LSA's and PJ's, most AF training I have been exposed to has been less then mentally stressful or character buiding in nature. I have been in San Antonio for no less than 6 different medical courses over the past 20 years, some of which were over a year in length AND I worked as a paramedic in San Antonio. So I am VERY familiar with the USO, Lackland, the Riverwalk, and most things San Antonio related. I have experience in this area, you don't, so I am not at all embarrassed about what I posted regarding their recruit training.
I DO know what they are crying about, because the whole USO can hear them whining on the phone. I heard it in 1999 when I was there last, just like I heard it in 1983 when I was there the first time.
You have your opinions that you freely express in these forums, and you have absolutely no practical experience to back them up. Your aspirations of being "high speed" have turned into little more than drivel that is tolerated with no serious thought being given to your following through by anyone here who has earned my respect.
So, I leave you with this, you came here seeking input from people who have been places and done things, yet you discount the very things they tell you for your own pristine visions and (pardon the pun) holier than thou attitude.
That being said, from here on out, there will be two more responses from me to you, if you hear from me at all. One will be your warning if you step out of line, the second will be your notification of being banned.
Enjoy NSC, you are not worth my time or effort, so I will simply ignore you from here on out.
Well USSFPA,
I must say that I, even though have respect for you and your profession, expected more than professional fit throwing from you of all people for being criticized. Sure you used good verbage and proper grammer in your recent post. You sounded mature enough while you were going on. However, all I do is comment on some of your comments that I found to be, well, less than "professional grade military courtesy" and now it's the whole "I don't want to talk to you because you hurt my feelings" gig. Well, like I said before and I quote "I DO RESPECT YOU AND YOUR FIELD" But if you can't take constructive criticism for some comments you made then what was all that mental training for anyway? Here you can take getting yelled at and spit on by people you do not know in the name of military tradition, yet I say a few things to you that I did not agree with, and even took some light offense to, and you boil up like this. C'mon pal, I might have not followed through with everything I wanted to do when I was a young child to now, however, I can certainly take someone dis-agreeing with me and telling me about it! I might have not been in spec ops, however, for my age I have accomplished more in the classroom than most 40 and 50 year olds. I have been all over the world in places like Africa, Europe, etc.... I've helped starving and dying children survive to live another day, week, month, who knows? Now do I need medals and ribbons to tell me that I've done well? Absolutely not! I have all I need in self-fulfillment. To me it's about what's in the heart and NOT what's on the shoulder or chest!!! Even though I feel I have done nothing wrong by simply stating the way I felt about your post, I will apologize for hurting your feelings and hope that you will grab a hammer, some nails to, build a bridge, and get over it! hehehehe. You see, that was suppose to funny, not condencending. So please, for future reference, don't take everything I say so personaly. I DON'T try to have a "holier than thou" attitude and if you think this than your unfortunately mistaken. At this point I can only offer reconciliation and hope that you accept. I hope that you read this and reply. If you don't reply than at least I can say that I tried. Remember, bitterness against someone only really harms the person holding the bitterness. Once it takes root it's hard to dig it up and get rid of it, ex: Palestine and Israel, but we won't even get started on that. God bless you USSFPA (What that stands for I have no idea) maybe United States Special Forces.....don't know the rest. Anyway, be easy and be blessed!
NewportBarGuy
10-24-2003, 10:30 PM
Yoss
LOL That sounds just too damn much like HOSS! I like it. Your new ninja name is Yoss.
Malarkey
10-25-2003, 05:47 AM
LOL That sounds just too damn much like HOSS! I like it. Your new ninja name is Yoss.
LOL thats funny.....
Swimmer2004
10-25-2003, 09:11 AM
Sorry for the delay, I am in Canada currently to attend a funeral.
Define "Serve"
Its isn't exactly a position of command and whether you have children or not, one should know of the demands that will be placed upon you and your family when considering. Marines are an interesting breed. They are easy to pick on but they are not the only one with failed marriges.
tfwmissions: I didn't mean to insult you and I retract what I said about forgetting about serving. Enlisted members of any branch are not very high on the pecking order or priority list. I just wanted to remind you what "Serving" implies and the demands that should be known before undertaking that route. Best wishes.
Lee
yossarian
10-25-2003, 09:39 AM
LOL That sounds just too damn much like HOSS! I like it. Your new ninja name is Yoss.
But my pirate name is Yoss the Yodler. I scare them off with my banshee-like shrieks!
s354026
11-18-2003, 01:06 PM
According the book "the right stuff" test pilots and naval pilots have 1 in four chance of death in line of duty and 60% chance of experience ejection in their 20 year career. So pilots arnt that cushy a job as some thinks
VMI_ARMY
11-18-2003, 02:04 PM
that is a very select and narrow group of aviators you mention