class 250 and swcc

[anaya]

i read in another post that class 250 is the 1st class in a few years to be going through bud/s with swcc can someone please explain i thought they go through bud/s and if i sound nieve i apologize im just wondering

[Courtenay]

Anaya-

I am not sure my info is totally correct, but, as far as I know SWCC has it's own training, but it is there in Coronado on the same base. But, starting with class #249, SWCC will be going through the same Indoctrination period as the BUD/s students.

[platinumike]

Iam class 250, i think. Iam going to the winter buds next year. Is this a good or a bad thing for tadpoles?

[digem]

I am not sure my info is totally correct, but, as far as I know SWCC has it's own training, but it is there in Coronado on the same base. But, starting with class #249, SWCC will be going through the same Indoctrination period as the BUD/s students.


Unfortunately, that is correct. But ONLY indoc will be done together. The rest of the training will still be totally seperate. I dont think it should be together at all, but hey its not my decision to make.

[sk8m99]

Rumor has it that SWCC and SEAL's will eventually be the same thing. SWCC has come along way from 10-15 years ago. Comming from a 4 year tour to being able to make it a career. There is nothing to say bad about SWCC anymore. They too are warriors. They are train to be experts it various types of weapons, they go to jump school, and learn how to drive the most serious boats in the world. They are already becomming more and more like SEAL's except they don't go through BUD/S. Sometime in the furure(I don't know when yet) there no longer will be SWCC, only SEAL's. If you are wondering ,I got my info from someone that was in NSW for 20 years.

[digem]

Rumor has it that SWCC and SEAL's will eventually be the same thing.


That is COMPLETE rumor. That type of stuff can blow up into a huge BAD rumor. Nothing wrong with SWCC or SBU guys, but it will never be the same as BUD/S. In prior years there was no SWCC training. The guys were just from the regular fleet Navy. Here are just a few reasons SWCC will NEVER be with BUD/S:

Dive Phase: SWCC guys do not have a need to learn SCUBA diving. So the Navy would not waste spending money on something inane.

Land Warfare Phase: As above SWCC guys do not need these skills. Wated money.

Skills taught to SBU guys are not all needed by SEALs. I do not need to know how to navigate a Mark V SOC.

If a guy graduated from BUD/S just to be SWCC, why would he not just want to be a SEAL. Makes no sense.

So those are just a few of the reasons the 2 will never be together. Its like training a airplane pilots and flight attendant together. Im not saying SBU guys are like flight attendants (that would actually be more like our - SEALs - job :) ). Both are part of NSW and both an an extremely important and integral part, but the training will NEVER be one in the same.

When we do work-ups, we will sometimes train with them to bring all skills together to make everything work in the big picture, but SWCC training will never, ever be integrated as one in the same with BUD/S. It is not practical. So let's not go off with any RUMORS here. Thanks.

[sk8m99]

In the future there will no longer be SWCC as its own division, instead it will only be SEAL's. SEAL's will be the total package. Doing what they do know and driving the boats. I get this from a very reliable source as I said before. This will happen in the future. But maybe not for 10 years or so.

[sk8m99]

why do you think they are starting to go through indoc w/them? It's just the start.

[digem]

In the future there will no longer be SWCC as its own division, instead it will only be SEAL's. SEAL's will be the total package. Doing what they do know and driving the boats.


LOL No offense, but no SEAL is going to go through BUD/S, deploy and say, Ill insert and extract you guys, but Im staying in the boat.



I get this from a very reliable source as I said before.


He is mis-infomred. You can tell him I said so.



This will happen in the future.


never will



But maybe not for 10 years or so.


The military does not even have its schedule planned out for the next 10 weeks, what makes you think they have plans for the next 10 years. It makes no sense and will not happen. Check out the NSW web site. Better yet, call the NSWC Quarterdeck and ask the PAO. It will NEVER happen.

[digem]

why do you think they are starting to go through indoc w/them? It's just the start.


No. Its not just the start. The indoc is being put together because indoc covers ALL of the basics of training at the NSW compound. This way instead of showing 2 different groups twice, they can show everybody the basics together. The 2 groups will be in the same indoc class, but a distinction will be made. This is something they are trying to do to make it easier. if it does not work they will switch it back. But SEAL and SWCC/SBU will never be one in the same. I guarentee it.

[Courtenay]

LOL No offense, but no SEAL is going to go through BUD/S, deploy and say, Ill insert and extract you guys, but Im staying in the boat.


OOOOh, oooooh, I have an idea, how about you take turns? LOL. Or better yet, hide the boat in some reeds and then you don't need a driver, whatcha think????? Okay, I'm being facetious, each group has an important SEPARATE purpose, it makes no sense at all that they would ever be put together. Maybe that's what a recruiter is telling him to make him go SWCC.

[sk8m99]

when did u retire from being a SEAL. In some teams right now, there is a boat driving division, and they are SEAL/s. You can argue all you want. I'm just going to drop this now.

OOOOh, oooooh, I have an idea, how about you take turns?


After BUD/s some go to be Seal/s others go to SDV. Why wouldn't it be an option for some to become SBU. I go on this site for fun, to see what people are writing, and I sometimes post questions that I don't want to ask real SEAL/s in person. I mean no disrespect by any of this. I admire you for answering questions. I'm not in NSW yet, but lets just say I'm very tight w/the community. I know you are going to say there is no boat driving division in the SEAL/s that is the same as SWCC. Thats ok I expect you to say that.

[digem]

when did u retire from being a SEAL.


Im am NOT retired. Im active duty now.



In some teams right now, there is a boat driving division, and they are SEAL/s.


Um, negative there.



You can argue all you want. I'm just going to drop this now.


Not trying to argue - just trying to prevent a messy rumor.



After BUD/s some go to be Seal/s others go to SDV


yes.



Why wouldn't it be an option for some to become SBU.


Because that is for SWCC guys - that is their career path.



I mean no disrespect by any of this.


No - none taken at all - just trying to clear things up.



I'm not in NSW yet


I AM - which is why I have the answers.



I know you are going to say there is no boat driving division in the SEAL/s that is the same as SWCC. Thats ok I expect you to say that.


Of course - because there is not - that is what SBU's are for.

[sk8m99]

Thank you for clearing everything up for me. I really do respect you for answering everyone's questions. Maybe one day I could email you.

[digem]

Maybe one day I could email you.


Feel free to do so.

digem@navyseals.com



Thank you for clearing everything up for me. I really do respect you for answering everyone's questions.


no problem.

[A62]

In some teams right now, there is a boat driving division, and they are SEAL/s. You can argue all you want. I'm just going to drop this now.


The only "boat driving" done in the SEALs is the SDV. This is because all SDV are SEALs with an extra skill. Do not confuse the SDV Teams with SBU's. Two completely different animals.




Why wouldn't it be an option for some to become SBU.


Digem answered this very eloquently.


but lets just say I'm very tight w/the community.


So am I. And I have never heard of SEALs becoming Boat Drivers. However, the next time I speak with my son or his teammates, I will check and make sure nothing has changed.



I know you are going to say there is no boat driving division in the SEAL/s that is the same as SWCC. Thats ok I expect you to say that.


Are you implying that these new "Drivers" are TS?

A62 out

[Courtenay]

when did u retire from being a SEAL


You didn't direct this Q to me did you? LOL

Quite obviously, I have never been a SEAL. But, I can assure you, I only answer questions that I KNOW the answer to. And, I am impressed that you are "tight" with the community. But trust that there are a whole lotta people on this site that are probably just a bit "tighter" than you are.

I am sorry if I got a little bratty on that post, but really, they are two very different career choices, as digem pointed out. They each have clear cut objectives for their jobs, and there is nothing wrong with that. Many guys pick SWCC as a career, and it is a good one. You are just saying things that we KNOW aren't correct, that's all.

[sk8m99]

And, I am impressed that you are "tight" with the community. But trust that there are a whole lotta people on this site that are probably just a bit "tighter" than you are.



Maybe I miss worded that. My family is tight w/the community, and yes some may be tighter. From everything I have heard in reply to this, we are not tight w/the same team. I will not reply to this anymore because I don't want to get into any trouble.