SWCC history

[sk8m99]

I am curious in the Navy SWCC's history, also what do they do besides drive boats? Do they have to be free fall certified? Do they PT with SEAL's? Do they basically train to do everything a seal can do incase something goes wrong on the ride there and they might have to go in? If this is so, how come no one really talks that much about SWCC? If nothing else can someone please give me some history on them? Thanks!

[digem]

Check out this link:

https://www.seal.navy.mil/swcc/default.asp

All your questions should be answered there.

[sk8m99]

It is vague on what they do besides drive boats. It says alittle bit about what they do besides that but not enough to fully understand. Anyone know what they really do besides drive boats?

[digem]

They insert and extract us (SEALs) by way of boats. SWCC class graduates are assigned to a Special Boat Unit, or SBU. They are a part of the Naval Special Warfare community, but are a completely seperate entity from SEALs. They work with is in the fashion that they insert us into some locations and help us get our asses out alive. They will also provide ship to shore firepower support if necessary. It is VERY rare (if ever) that a member of an SBU will leave the boat. They do not insert onto an operation in with SEALs - they deliver us to our destination and help get us home safely. They are a very integral part of Naval Special Warfare, but with a different mission than that of the SEAL Teams. However, we all work in conjunction to accomplish a COMPLETE operation.

So from what I see from them, they not only "drive boats," but they assist with ship-to-shore fire support if needed, "scope" an insertion area, "oversee" an insertion (watching the SEAL Team with a close eye from the boat while inserting to check for the enemy), assist in other ways with insertions and extractions as well. Without jeopardizing OPSEC, join the Navy and see for yourself. Good luck.

[sk8m99]

Thanks for the reply. It helped me understand more. I'm in the Navy DEP program and my "A" school is IT. I have a SWCC Challenge contract. My eyesight is not good enough to be a SEAL. But if I'm already in the community and I get my eyesight corrected I will go to BUD/S. I kinda look at it like SWCC being a JV team and SEAL's being a Varsity team. Even though they have different jobs they are somewhat similar. I was just trying to find out if SWCC went to jump school and I found out from another source. I do not think that SWCC is talked about that much. But I guess that is good cause maybe they do some things that shouldn't be talked about. Thank you again fro your reply!

[9533]

I love the navy and the SEAL Teams. The SEALs are full of great Americans but many of the young guys have no idea of SWCC history so this is for all the “JV” guys!

The SWCC community is the MOST decorated in the history of the navy!!!
5-Medals of Honor
59-Navy Crosses (not a single medal was awarded for insertion or extraction)
Not to mention more Silver Stars, Bronze Stars and Purple Hearts than any other navy unit!
The only man in the navy to be awarded both MOH & NC was a boat guy!
Over 300 SWCCs were killed in Vietnam alone!
The team that rescued General MacArthur from the Philippines was Boat Guys!
A Boat Guy and Navy Cross winner was President of the United States of America!
One US Senator is a SWCC!
The Deputy Secretary of State is a SWCC!
The Secretary of Veterans Affairs is a Boat Guy!
The Assistant Secretary of Veterans Affairs is a Boat Guy!
The SWCC community has Doctors, Lawyers, College Professors, and CEOs of Fortune 500 companies..etc. etc. etc..
SEALs and SWCCs for the most part get along very well. The rivalry between them is mostly in the imagination of many of you 14 year old kids or disgruntled members of the community that for some unknown reason like to stir **** up!

And finally for your reading enjoyment here is a link to give you Internet commandos a look at some real American warriors!

http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28204

[9533]

"I kinda look at it like SWCC being a JV team and SEAL's being a Varsity team. "

SK8whatever your name is..here is some more "JV" team history for you tough guys!...LOL



July 2, 2003


The Honorable Hansford T. Johnson
Acting Secretary of the Navy
1000 Navy Pentagon
Washington, D.C. 20350-1000


Dear Secretary Johnson,


I am communicating with you to express my deep appreciation for your presence and words during the christening ceremony for the USS James E. Williams. As a Special Boat Teammate, and neighbor of Elliott, I was personally touched by your remarks. The ceremony to honor this great American was both poignant and moving to Mrs. Elaine Williams and her family as well as all in attendance that personally knew Elliott. Your tribute meant a great deal to all of us special operators, past and present, and conveyed your sincere respect and understanding of what we as a community of patriots contribute to securing our nations freedoms. I was filled with a sense of honor and pride when you asked all the special operation team members present to stand and be recognized. That sense of pride compels me to relate to you as the Secretary of the greatest navy on earth something that is a source of deep regret and is a stain on the great legacy of the navy and the special warfare community.
Most of us who serve, or have served, in Naval Special Warfare fall short of the examples of courage and honor that Elliott Williams demonstrated. But there is one teammate who is cut from the same cloth and for political reasons, or apathy, has not received recognition for his heroism. His name is GM3 Joseph Vitale of Keene, New Hampshire.
In 1966 Joe volunteer for Naval Special Warfare and upon completion of training was assign to Task Force 116, Republic of Vietnam. Like most of his teammates Joe was young, strong and from a blue-collar background. He soon distinguished himself for his motivation and dedication to their mission and his teammates.
On 2 April 1968, onboard the USS Hunterdon County (LST-838) anchored in the Ham Luong river near Mocay, Captain Robert Fuscaldo USN (Ret.) ordered Joe to select one teammate to accompany him on a reconnoiter mission of a river village that previously had been shelled by the ship. U.S. Navy SEALs and Vietnamese Provincial Recon Units (PRUs) were currently sweeping the area to determine enemy strength. Joe chose a young seaman and machine gunner named Mike Wacasey from Texas to join him on their mission.
Joe and Mike, armed only with an M-14, M-60 machinegun, fragmentation/white phosphorous grenades and 1000 rounds of ammunition, where inserted by PBR craft near the village on the Ham Luong. As they made their way from the riverbank to the village the PBR quickly left the insertion point and proceeded up river. When the two special boat teammates arrived at the village they noticed a large hooch that was damaged from the earlier naval bombardment. Expecting the village to be empty they were surprised to find several NVA soldiers asleep inside the grass-roofed building. Joe Vitale, as leading petty officer, made the decision that he and Seaman Wacasey would quietly leave the village area given their lack of personnel and firepower.
As the men started to leave, one of the NVA soldiers awoke and alerted the others that Americans where just outside the hooch. Joe immediately tossed a fragmentation grenade into the building as Mike opened up with the machinegun. The explosion and gunfire immediately alerted the entire village of the special operators presence and position. Vitale and Wacasey were shortly confronted by an NVA company (approximately 100 troops) with no PBR or helicopter gunfire support. The men decided their only chance for survival was to take the fight to the enemy, so Joe threw grenades into half a dozen hooches as Mike continued to put down deadly suppressive fire into each building.
As they made their way through the village the men were met with a plethora of return fire from the survivors of the NVA Company. Petty Officer Vitale, fearing that they would be over run without gunfire support, led his small two-man squad to an abandoned rice paddy dike that ran to a finger canal draining into the Ham Luong river. The two special boat teammates made their way to the rice paddy dike while simultaneously engaging in a fierce firefight with the pursuing NVA soldiers. With the foe approximately thirty yards away, and their ammunition waning, Vitale ordered Seaman Wacasey down the paddy dike toward the canal because it was the only route of escape not cut off by the enemy.
Back at the LST, three special boat operators just returning from a PBR patrol heard the overwhelming firefight and immediately knew that their teammates were in grave danger. Without hesitation EN2 Roy K. Davis from Georgia, Seaman Roy Taylor from Texas and Seaman Paul W. Cagle of South Carolina, jumped into a PBR loaded with ammunition and raced to the rescue of their comrades. When they arrived at the location of their teammates they saw Joe and Mike trying to fight their way to the finger canal. The problem was the canal was too shallow for the PBR to enter forward. Seeing his teammates moments from being overrun, and with Taylor and Cagle out of position to use the boats weapons for fire support, Petty Officer Davis decided to risk loosing the boat by backing the PBR into the rice paddy canal. As soon as the PBR was far enough in the canal for possible extraction, Taylor and Cagle began laying down deadly machinegun fire while Petty Officer Davis radioed the ship for HAL-3 Seawolf helicopter support.
By the time the PBR was in position and firing Vitale and Wacasey were approximately twenty yards from the canal and the enemy another twenty behind. Mike told Joe that his M-60 was out of ammunition, so Joe told Mike to leave him and to get to the canal while he used his rifle to buy some time for his escape. In true Naval Special Warfare traditional Mike refused to leave his teammate and was preparing to use his weapon as a club to continue to engage the enemy who where now dangerously close. Petty Officer Vitale, now with fire support from the PBR, ordered Seaman Wacasey to the craft. As Wacasey made his way to the boat, Vitale with total disregard for his own life stood up on the paddy dike and used deadly fire from his M-14 (killing an estimated 30+ NVA/VC) to cover his teammates escape.
When Mike arrived at the PBR he sunk to his waist in the canal mud and became stuck. Paul Cagle without hesitation leaped from of his firing position and pulled Mike out of the mud and onto the PBR. With Mike back on the craft, and now firing a fresh M-60, Joe expended his last round into the body of an NVA soldier as Viet Cong from the local area were also joining the fight. Suddenly a Seawolf helicopter from the Hunterdon County arrived and began putting suppressive fire onto the NVA and Viet Cong position. With the helicopter firing overhead Joe made a break for the PBR. Just like Mike, Joe sank into the canal mud, however, he sunk to his chest. Cagle, using every once of strength he had, pulled Vitale up out of the muck and onto the boat deck. At that moment the enemy, now within feet, threw a grenade that struck Cagle in the chest. The grenade fell to the deck at Cagle’s feet where Joe Vitale was laying covered in mud and unable to stand. Petty Officer Davis shouted grenade and Joe, fearing for his teammates safety, grabbed the grenade to his abdomen and rolled up into the fetal position to absorb the blast with his body, thus hoping to shield his comrades. EN2 Davis floored the engine controls as the boat crew continued to fire, waiting for the explosion that would kill or injure them so the Vietnamese could finish them off. As the boat lunged forward and shook violently from the mud filled pumps, Vitale managed to get to his knees and throw the grenade over the starboard gunwale as the grenade detonated raining shrapnel and hot mud onto himself and his teammates. When the PBR cleared the kill zone of the river, it proceeded back to the LST. The next day YN3 Don Kosin informed Joe Vitale that Captain Robert Fuscaldo was recommending him for the Medal of Honor for his heroism during the operation.
Mr. Secretary, that submission never took place. After shrapnel wounds to the spine forced Joe Vitale to leave Vietnam later that August of 1968; this humble and courageous man returned to his beloved New Hampshire and resumed a quiet, meaningful life as an electrician, husband and father. Many in the Naval Special Warfare community were shocked to learn many years later that one of their heroes and a man responsible for saving many of their lives had never received any recognition for his bravery. So in 1998 his teammates, working with Commander John Brown USN (Ret.), took matters into their own hands and formally requested that Joe Vitale be considered for the Medal of Honor. It has been thirty-five years since this act of heroism, and five year since his teammates tried to right this wrong, and still this humble American, who will not advocate for himself, has again become lost in the bureaucratic maze of Washington.
I, on behalf of his special warfare teammates and fellow countrymen, humbly ask that you please give this matter you fullest attention and help us right this wrong so that this good man and warrior can be made whole before the metal in his spine results in paralysis or death.



Respectfully and Sincerely,

9533

[sk8m99]

check

[sk8m99]

Do sbu's still go out on their own missions like that, or do they just drop off seals and other spec ops so they can do their mission.
In the story above, the man is truely a hero in my book. He was no "jv"

[9533]

sk8m99

Supporting SEALs is an important part of their mission! But they do other things as well, especially in the riverine environment! One of the schools that SWCCs are starting to send a lot of guys to is air assault school at Ft. Campbell. In Iraq and Afghan the SBTs are doing a terrific job, in fact President Bush gave SBT-12 one of the first Presidential Unit Citations of the war on terrorism.
The reason I posted this info here was because I got the impression that many here give lip service to the important role the SBTs play in NSW but really thought that the other SOF units were great and we are ****! In my opinion the SEALs are the absolute best unit at what they do in the world! Also I believe the SBTs are stellar at riverine warfare and waterborne interdiction. Our SWCCs in the Middle East have killed or captured dozens of terrorist leaders, taken over ports and seized ships and other vessels with mines and weapons that could have killed many coalition personnel.
NSW is evolving. SDVs and SBTs are now under the same NSWGs. Capabilities are expanding every year and all this is necessary and good! But change is not always embraced. I remember in 1983 when the UDTs were decommissioned and folded into the SEALs several of the SEALs were outraged because they said their UDT Teammates were not SEALs. I know older Frogmen who believe that the Scouts & Raiders should not be in the Association even though BUD/S was modeled on S&R training. I got between 2 BUD/S classmates in PR who were arguing because one was at a “Real SEAL Team” and the other was merely at an SDV Team. This is the natural out growth of men with type A++++ personalities. Some people have always tried to build themselves up by putting others down. That is an unattractive aspect of human nature. But it is just talk!
Here is the deal; BUD/S is brutal, SWCC is very tough and the men who make it through these schools have a bond that is natural and normal. But they are just schools! The real bond between men happens in combat! Let me give you an example; at the last east coast reunion I attended one of the plank owners of SEAL Team 2 got extremely drunk! He was out of line with some of his teammates and a few of the younger SEALs tried to calm him down to no avail. Then I saw one of the Boat Guys he served in Vietnam with walk up and put his arm around his neck and tell him he had had too much and he needed to calm down. It worked; the guy even apologized to some of the people he insulted!
Our communities and history are interlocked! The SEALs were created by JFK, a boat guy! The SEAL commanders saved the SBTs from disbandment after Vietnam.
SWCC and SEAL personnel are fighting together all over the world as we speak!
My advice to you is to go to SWCC or BUD/S, do your best and if you make it learn your job as well as possible, your life may depend on it! And if you make it into NSW never hold you head down or act inferior to ANY other man!
Good Luck!
9533

[A62]

I got between 2 BUD/S classmates in PR who were arguing because one was at a “Real SEAL Team” and the other was merely at an SDV Team.


Good thing the "teamguy" didn't say it to my son. You would never have gotten "in between" them. They don't call him "Beserker" for nothing.LOL




SDVs and SBTs are now under the same NSWGs.


Just to keep the record straight, SDV Teams ARE SEAL's. They do all that Teams do and more.

A62 out

[9533]

A62,
Roger on the "Beserker"; God bless him and all he does for our nation!

Some of the changes I was talking about are very recent! Years ago Naval Special Warfare Groups commanded their respective coast's SEAL Teams, SDV Teams and Special Boat Squadrons. The SBRs commanded the SBUs. The new structure has NSWG 1 & 2 commanding all SEAL Teams and NSWUs. NSWG 3 & 4 (recently created and skippered by a SEAL O-6) command the SDV Teams and the Special Boat Teams!

ALL operational members of an SDV Team are fully qualified SEALs!

ALL operational members of a Special Boat Team are fully qualified SWCCs!

Good Day To You!
9533

P.S. If you ever get a chance to see the Navy NSW Parachute Team, 2 of the current jump team members are SWCCs!

[A62]

P.S. If you ever get a chance to see the Navy NSW Parachute Team, 2 of the current jump team members are SWCCs!


you talking about the Leapfrogs? Plan on seeing them at Muster in Ft Pierce Fl on 11-08. Thanks for the update. It kept me from making a fool of myself on another push.

A62 out

[sk8m99]

[QUOTED]
ALL operational members of a Special Boat Team are fully qualified SWCCs!
[/QUO

what is the difference between SWCC and SBT's? are they the same thing? I can't find anything on the internet about it, and I haven't called up the SWCC guy I know yet because idk if its a stupid question. Also do you think that SBT-22 gets the most action out of all the SBT's?

[9533]

SWCCs are the men in the SBTs.
I do know many men at SBT-22 but do not know about their "action" level...I do know all the Boat Teams, as well as the SEALs Teams, are bussssy right know!

9533

[Boatdrivers_Babe]

AJ,

Thanks for the history lesson on the boat dudes as I call you guys. I only knew what I knew from the mid 90's, which for me is when that history began, with the addition of the RHIBs to the stable. On board skimmer's command, we currently have two SWCCs. (Or are they no longer considered SWCCs because they rotated back to the fleet?) They both cross rated to make rate before their new rate was made a source rate.

BB

[9533]

BB,
You are welcome for the post...I hope you and skimmer are getting on well..!!
Good Day Young Lady!
9533

[sk8m99]

on the official navy swcc website, it says that swcc do direct action missions. It also says many more things for their missions. I was wondering what does it mean by direct action? Also do sbt's ever go on missions by themselves and go onshore? Or do they just stay on the boats?

[SeaSpectre]

Kid, theres a few of these "JV" players in and around here. We would be more than happy to help you on your path to be a Special Warrior.

(this post directed at sk8m)

Anyway----I would be happy to assist you, short of violating OPSEC. skimmer would also be a grand choice.

Spectre out

[9533]

sk8m99,

1. Direct Action = combat, raids, strikes etc...

2. When I was in NSW about 15-20% of our time was spend operating with the SEAL Teams.

3. I for one am not going to tell you or anyone else something that will violate OPSEC...general statement: if you are asking me was I ever on solid ground with a weapon in my hand? …..YES!….. I don't know how to be clearer than that!

4. My best friend Mike Uyeda was killed on an operation with a good SEAL-4 friend Art Fusco at a place known as the logjam in Central America!

5. I recently saw a picture of SWCCs…. WALKING… across an oil platform in Iraq!

6. Cdr. Harwood operation K-Bar commander in Afghanistan took SWCCs 400 miles inland during recent operations because he said, " the boat guys had unique skills I needed and they performed brilliantly!"

7. Did you read my CMOH write-up?

8. Are you mentally impaired in some way we should know about?

9. Finally, man-up and find out for yourself!

Good Day!

9533

PS. Here is an article for you: http://www.technologyreports.net/se...l?articleID=555

[9533]

A62

I found this site with the new command structure.

Good Day to You!

9533

https://www.navsoc.navy.mil/navsoc_component.asp

[A62]

thanks for the info. BTW, I can't understand why anoyone would have questions about NSW with that site around. It coveers avery area I have seen asked in 5 years. Heck, I can even call the quarterdeck at SDV School.LOL

A62 out

[sk8m99]

8. Are you mentally impaired in some way we should know about?


could be



9. Finally, man-up and find out for yourself!


thats what this sight is for, to ask questions. I am very greatful for what you have answered. The official swcc sight does not say if they go onshore for some missions. And if it does it says in a way that I do not understand. Why do you even reply back if you are going to say something like that? Why is there this sight? So i can have people answer me back in man up and find it yourself? I don't believe that is what this sight is about. Thanks for what you did answer though, I am very greatful.

[Boatdrivers_Babe]

4. My best friend Mike Uyeda was killed on an operation with a good SEAL-4 friend Art Fusco at a place known as the logjam in Central America!

9533,

Incoming e-mail. Got the hinky feeling you know us. Am I right?

[9533]

BB,
Yes, I know you and skimmer...I changed my handle on here!


sk8m99

I don't know you, but this is an open forum. For all I know you could be writing from a madrassas. I have tried on 3-4 posts to answer your questions. I have used past incidents to answer them because modern capabilities should never be discussed! Believe me there are those who mean America harm that peruse the Internet looking for Intel! That is also the reason the SWCC website is so vague.
I do not mean to be purposely offensive but NSW is a hard and difficult world populated by hardened men with sometimes savage duties. I can tell you this: if you are offended by my rhetoric here, you will never survive training...the NSWTC instructors are going to hurt more than your feelings!
Good Luck!
9533

[Boatdrivers_Babe]

modern capabilities should never be discussed! Believe me there are those who mean America harm that peruse the Internet looking for Intel!

And to back up 9533's comments, please sk8m99, keep that in mind.

Remember Skimmer is now a sheriff, one of the sheriffs of this site. Way back in the dark ages of this site, before 9/11, a few young 'uns pushed the envelope a bit too much. Shortly thereafter, they and their parents had a visit from some suits...for your inquiring mind, those suits were FBI and Secret Service Agents.

In this case, I wouldn't push the envelope. I'd really hate for skimmer to have to turn his attention from his primary position, that of serving his country diligently, at this time and have to remotely access this site to police this site. At any rate Wetwash is also in a similar position with regard to his occupation and I'd hate to really hack him off too. Everyone has behaved well to this point. Keep it that way.

[Boatdrivers_Babe]

Yes, I know you and skimmer...I changed my handle on here!

Hmmmm, it'll take me a while to figure out who you are...What, you got bored with the old one? ;)

[sk8m99]

I can tell you this: if you are offended by my rhetoric here, you will never survive training...the NSWTC instructors are going to hurt more than your feelings!


hahaha, I was no where near offended. I've been called a lot worse things than that. I do not try and push the envelope, and see how far I can get. I just ask questions. What this site is for. I stay clear of questions that I know will cause trouble. i did not ask any questions that would cause trouble. I do thank everyone that answers them.


I do not mean to be purposely offensive but NSW is a hard and difficult world populated by hardened men with sometimes savage duties.


Sometimes life in general hardens you. Maybe that is why I want to go into NSW.

[9533]

sk8m99,
Tried to be helpful! I was thinking about how to reply, then it dawned on me....there is a 70-80% chance our conversation is academic! You keep saying this is what this site is for...asking questions and you are partially right. I was a member here years ago but got sick of puerile questions and attitudes so I left for a long time. Here is how I see our relationship...I have nothing to prove to you..I am a member of the NSW community in good standing. You are not..you have yet to show that you are anything more than talk! And even though I don't mind helping any young person fulfill their ambitions...I get bored very easily....besides there is only a 20-30% chance you will ever become a teammate...so please understand if I don't invest a lot of my time in you!

Hopefully some of you here enjoyed learning about SWCC history!

Good Luck future rust picker!
9533

[Boatdrivers_Babe]

You are not..you have yet to show that you are anything more that talk!

He sure does (if it is in fact a "he"). I was thinking as I read his post that I'd love to be a mouse in the corner the first time he found himself in a closed room w/the BTDT's like yourself, skimmer, and the rest who can turn on the stare in a millisecond. Better yet give him some time with the ones who can't turn it off. Maybe that would give him a little insight about what he's up against in his currently misguided belief about what the community is all about.



rust picker!

Heeeey! Chief! That's a time honored tradition!

[9533]

BB,
You are right of course about the rust picker comment!! I was just trying to motivate the lad....LOL
For the record I never made Chief...1 too many NJPs...I was TOO fond of the drink, the girls and testing my metal against other men...LOL

Good Day!
9533

[Boatdrivers_Babe]

I never made Chief

It isn't just a paygrade any more, it's a state of mind. I see too many E-7s, E-8s and even E-9s instead of Chiefs nowadays and a helluva lot of E-5s and E-6s who already have the state of mind and no way to get there b/c of the dead wood in the road. To clear it would be to lower themselves to the level of the dead wood.

[A62]

Niner five trey trey,

First please allow me to thank you for setting my a** straight on the "placement" of the SDV teams.



1 too many NJPs


that be one of them Capt Masts? Or the old Article 15 in the Army.




I was TOO fond of the drink, the girls and testing my metal against other men...LOL


You sure sound like my son, in his younger days(I hope).

I have been racking my addled brain trying to remember some of the old shackers and am coming up blank. Ya gotta hint?
Maybe it was before I got here.

BTW, saw your posts on the "other" place. Man, you like to live dangerrous.LMAO
A62 out

[9533]

BB,

Roger on the “state of mind”….All my Det Teammates thought I was a quasi-*******, but every time we pulled away from the dock..they seemed to be happy I was around…LOL

Alpha Six Two,

Yes….Old Man Time (Captain’s Mast) the 15th UCMJ article was a popular pass time for me!!…LOL Velcro Chevrons….LOL

It appears the Berserker and I would get along wonderfully!….LOL

I became a comshacker in the late 1990s…but got disillusioned with the kids!

The Marines are great guys…not a very good sense of humor though…LOL

When I was active duty I enjoyed letting them know that they were NOT the top of the food chain!!…..LOL

Good Day To You Guys!

9533

P.S. My old comshack handle was: A J

[A62]

P.S. My old comshack handle was: A J


Ah yes, how are ya?LOL


Yes….Old Man Time (Captain’s Mast) the 15th UCMJ article was a popular pass time for me!!…LOL Velcro Chevrons….LOL


LOL. I had a crusty(WWII) old E-7 with our advisory group in 69. Evedently he had been up and down the ranks, a few times. He was great in the bush, just didn't handle garrsion duty too well.LOL


It appears the Berserker and I would get along wonderfully!….LOL


Not a doubt.



The Marines are great guys…not a very good sense of humor though…LOL


I noticed that in Dong Ha once. In the Staff NCO/Officers club, such as it was, my Recon Sgt beat their champ at knife throwing. They expelled us from the club.LMAO




When I was active duty I enjoyed letting them know that they were NOT the top of the food chain!!…..LOL


I have found over the years that they have rather fragile ego's. That is why they have all those combat photographers.
Gotta quit that, we should have respect, it's almost their birthday.

Good day to ya.

A62 out