robin sage

[Malarkey]

Hi all, i haven't posted in a while, and when i stumbled over an article about robin sage it piqued my curiosity, all right so i have a few questions for any SF soldiers.

1. what was it like going through robin sage
2. what language did you learn
3. have you guys ever thought of taking up paintball....you guys would kick ***.

[USSFPA]

Malarky dude...
Robin Sage was incredibly cool, very demanding, sometimes scarey, and easy to get caught up in "for real"
RS has nothing to do with language training, but as a 7th GP guy, I had Spanish
Paintball is cool, I know some guys used to do it, but I never did...

[Malarkey]

oh cool thanks


RS has nothing to do with language training, but as a 7th GP guy, I had Spanish

espanol eh? cool....doesnt the language school come after RS?

[USSFPA]

doesnt the language school come after RS?

Yes it does, I may have misunderstood your original question though. The language you learn is not incorporated into the RS excercise as a general rule.
When I was an instructor, there were SF teams who spoke enough of a language (Farsi, Tagalog and other "non common" languages) that were there as the Guerrilla Force to where they would converse in those languages to give an added challenge to the student ODA's trying to "win the hearts and minds" of the tribe. Very realistic, and increased the level of difficulty for the student ODA. BUT, in the long run, it gave a better learning experience for when they faced it as real world operators.
Language school does indeed come after RS...sorry if I misunderstood.

[Malarkey]

When I was an instructor, there were SF teams who spoke enough of a language (Farsi, Tagalog and other "non common" languages) that were there as the Guerrilla Force to where they would converse in those languages to give an added challenge to the student ODA's trying to "win the hearts and minds" of the tribe. Very realistic, and increased the level of difficulty for the student ODA

awesome


Language school does indeed come after RS...sorry if I misunderstood

no problem

now for another question, that would be in general but there is no general anymore (or hooch, whatever)....whered everyone go?...is it just that i come in at bad times or what...no ones ever in the chat anymore....which i also have problems getting to....sorry if there was some other place i could have put this post...

[USSFPA]

All of the SEAL related threads and chat services etc are now on a pay / membership basis. These were too, but they got so quiet that the Boss man opened them back up for free posting.
If you want the rest, you need to pay to become a member now.
No apologies necessary...

[Malarkey]

dammit...i cant pay for a chat service.....oh well, can i still email people?

[USSFPA]

Thta is a good questrion...you can try I guess and then let me know. Suck? Yes, but the site doesn't run for free and the owner (and some of the older SEAL membership decoided this was a good thing. So at least the $ they chose was sn't outraggeuos, but just enough to help cover the cost.
You can still help out the site by bringing others to these free forums...will liven things back up some. Plus, there are a few of us still around who are willling to answer what we can for you.

[NewportBarGuy]

Plus, there are a few of us still around who are willling to answer what we can for you.


Really take that to heart, young Mr. M.

The person who is saying those words to you, USSFPA, is someone who is going to give it to you straight. Learn what you can, ask questions about what you learn and see what develops from there. Previously researched questions via www.google.com or www.goarmy.com will help you to ask the specific questions that will get you a basic working knowledge of such matters.

Pay attention to your spelling and grammar as best you can and always remember your manners. Best of Luck!

Not only is USSFPA a professional, but a he can actually rip a 15 footer if the swell is right.

[yossarian]

dammit...i cant pay for a chat service.....oh well, can i still email people?


Oh fer...! It's under 2.00 a month. Stamps would cost you more than that.

Nice of you to answer his questions for free USSFPA

[Malarkey]

Oh fer...! It's under 2.00 a month. Stamps would cost you more than that.

not that im being cheap, but if i were to say to my mom, "can i put 2.00 a month towards a chat service?", shed probably say "no, you want to pay to talk to fake SEALs?" (she's skeptical, but after looking at the wall of shame i kinda understand) but i guess it cant hurt to try...

[yossarian]

I'm a mom so understand her concern. Tell her she can e-mail me if she wants cmr2@nc.rr.com

[naoscaire]

not that im being cheap, but if i were to say to my mom, "can i put 2.00 a month towards a chat service?", shed probably say "no, you want to pay to talk to fake SEALs?" (she's skeptical, but after looking at the wall of shame i kinda understand) but i guess it cant hurt to try...


Malarkey,
Look at it this way, its about 6 cents a day... Pick up two soda cans off the street for refunds everyday and you are covered with profit :D
Secondly if you are set on a SOF career or even just a military career this is a good place for your mom to find people in the same boat as her to talk things out with.


she's skeptical,


She can feel free to email me at naoscaire@navyseals.com if she has any questions regarding the site

[Malarkey]

Yossarian and Naoscaire,
thanks for the advice, i might just pay it after all... and please dont take the "She's skeptical" thing the wrong way....she's a nice person and all, she just needs a little proof before she believes things, she is a chemistry teacher after all....

[ODA-14]

1. what was it like going through robin sage
2. what language did you learn
3. have you guys ever thought of taking up paintball....you guys would kick ***.

When I went through the SFOC the FTX was called "Cherokee Trail" and when I was an instructor it was called "Gobblers Woods".
As a member of the 3d SFG I was offered Swahili, Amharic or Arabic to learn. I chose Swahili as I didn't have to learn a new alphabet with it.
Somebody tried to get me into the paintball business when I first retired but I didn't have much interest in shooting people with paint balls. Hell, I did a tour in Vietnam and also was in Panama. Had enough of that crap.

[Malarkey]

When I went through the SFOC the FTX was called "Cherokee Trail" and when I was an instructor it was called "Gobblers Woods".
As a member of the 3d SFG I was offered Swahili, Amharic or Arabic to learn. I chose Swahili as I didn't have to learn a new alphabet with it.

Where is amharic spoken???



Somebody tried to get me into the paintball business when I first retired but I didn't have much interest in shooting people with paint balls. Hell, I did a tour in Vietnam and also was in Panama. Had enough of that crap.

That's very easy to understand...but from an immature point of view (mine....i'll admit it) it seems like combat is something you guys live for when its hell in reality.....sorry if you cant understand that, it made sense in my head...lol

[USSFPA]

When I went through the SFOC the FTX was called "Cherokee Trail" and when I was an instructor it was called "Gobblers Woods".

Damn Sir!
When I was at SWC there was this staircase behind a secret panel...it wound down to a basement library that had all these rolls of dusty parchment and leatherbacked books in piles with yellowing pages. I distinctly remember haveing to call in a monk, fluent in ancient writings, to translate one of the scrolls whose ribbon had rotted through...it turned out to be a training schedule for none other than the Gobbler's Woods" FTX with a reference to CHEROKEE TRAIL!!!
Imagine the coincidence!!! :DLOL

Just ribbing you a bit, I hadn't heard those terms in a LONG time. Great to hear them again!

[yossarian]

it seems like combat is something you guys live for when its hell in reality.....sorry if you cant understand that, it made sense in my head...lol


An emergency room nurse hates seeing a bleeding person, but it's what she or he trained for. Why would thye go to all that work to learn something they will never use? A combat soldier is trained for war. They hate it, but it's what they are trained for...day in and day out. They go to the field and deal with all manners of discomfort, nonsense, crap and phtht! It would take a book to write it all up. School plays missed, father/daughter breakfasts that Mom filled in for Dad, Parent's NIght that Dad missed, birthdays, anniversaries, family movie night, I could go on and on and all because Dad or husband was off training. Not at war but training for war. Why on earth would anyone do that to themselves and to their families if it weren't for the fact that they know there's a chance they will some day be called on to put in to practice all that they have trained and trained hard for? They are what stands between us and them. And they are ready. If that makes no sense to you then you are in the wrong place.

[Malarkey]

Yossarian, I totally understand that, maybe i just overcomplicated what i was trying to say before...i just meant that when i was talking about paintball with me friend he brought up how good special forces soldiers would be at it, so i decided to tell you guys what we thought, like a compliment to how well trained you are

and from what you quoted from me...im sayin that when your a kid, it seems like war is something good (water gun fights, plastic army men etc.) its all a game then when you mature you find that a soldiers just doing what has to be done, i guess i just need to mature a little...(but yes i am past the army men and stuff and thinking war is good, and sorry for any confusion i created)

oh yeah before i forget, i just wanted to tell you guys i went skydiving a week or two back...ive never had so much fun before, but iwas wondering, when you guys did HALOs how long did it take you to get down.....it took me about 7 minutes from 3500 feet...

[USSFPA]

oh yeah before i forget, i just wanted to tell you guys i went skydiving a week or two back...ive never had so much fun before, but iwas wondering, when you guys did HALOs how long did it take you to get down.....it took me about 7 minutes from 3500 feet...

Malarkydude...
1) you need to jump higher than 3500 feet
2) if it takes you seven minutes, you need to eat more.

Try and comprehend that MFF and CIV skydiving are TWO seperate entities. I know of many a skygod Golden Knight (US Army Parachute team - world champions) who can't fly a military rig. My freefall rig weighed in at like 14 lbs...my MIL rig (MC1XX and then MC4) weighed in at 77 lbs. Then you add 21 lbs for your oxygen equip, 30lbs wourth of LBE (without ammo), a 70 lb ruck between your legs, primary and secondary weapons strapped to you, and whatever else someone not jumping tells you you gotta infil with. Brotha, this is DEFINITELY not a weekend at a boogie.
Plus mil chutes are 344 sq feet...so are the reserves...they gotta be bigger to handle the increased weight requirement.
In short, you really cannot compare the two...other than exiting a plane and landing on the ground, they have fewer other similiarities.

[Malarkey]

1) you need to jump higher than 3500 feet

huh? you mean in military or jsut anywhere? i mean, i know you have to jump higher than that in the military (my dad's airborne) but im positive the people told me id be out at 3500 feet.


2) if it takes you seven minutes, you need to eat more.

us cross country runners are small....im one of the biggest on the team and im only 120......

but overall i understand what youre saying....you cant compare apples to oranges...

EDIT: my dad just told me they jumped at about 1000-2000 ft....makes sense...gettin under the radar.

[USSFPA]

1) you need to jump higher than 3500 feet

huh? you mean in military or jsut anywhere? i mean, i know you have to jump higher than that in the military (my dad's airborne) but im positive the people told me id be out at 3500 feet.
[/QUOTED]
This was actually a joke, but to be honest, you probably exited around 10,000 feet and OPENED at / around 3500. That is about standard. MFF will allow exits upto 36,500 feet. 4 minutes of freefall and watching your altimiter go around completely almost 3 times...cool huh?

Static line jumps are traditionally performed between 800-1250 feet, Combat jumps as low as 400 feet without a reserve, as there isn't enough time for it to open if there is a malfuntion.

[Malarkey]

oh i was doing a static line so the chute opened pretty much right out of the plane...only four more static lines and i can start learnin how to do an excellerated free fall

[Kennedy2000]

if you pass robin sage but fail the language...are you dropped from SF or recycled.

[USSFPA]

if you pass robin sage but fail the language...are you dropped from SF or recycled.

simple answer is just not to fail language training...

[Malarkey]

simple answer is just not to fail language training...

lol, agreed.

[ODA-14]

When I went through the SFOC the FTX was called "Cherokee Trail" and when I was an instructor it was called "Gobblers Woods".
As a member of the 3d SFG I was offered Swahili, Amharic or Arabic to learn. I chose Swahili as I didn't have to learn a new alphabet with it.

Where is amharic spoken???

Arabic is spoken across the northern part of Africa and the all of the middle east.
Swahili is spoken in Uganda, Tanzania and Kenya.
Amharic is spoken in Ethiopia and Somalia

[Malarkey]

ohh ok, thanks