What's the Deal with Bar fights?

[diesel828]

I've read some stories about bar fights between SEALs and Marines... what's the deal with that? Whatever happened to brotherhood and fellowship? I thought we were all in the same boat here when it comes to which country we love and defend? Jeez!

[elpaninaro]

I dunno- friendly rivarly I guess. Bar fights aren't always about hating someone. Sometimes I think the world would be a healthier place if we took a few punches more often, felt sore for a day or two and got it all out of our systems. Sure better than going to court or whining all the time and making a lifestyle out of it.

Bar Fight Gooooooooooood :)

[Gokusfusion]

I dunno either.. That's why I made a bar fight post about 2 days ago..

[sawillia]

Bar Fight Gooooooooooood :)


I agree totally. I have had my bell rang several times and I was much a better person for it (It does tend to make you keep your mouth shut more). I have learned by way of pump nots and bruised cheeks.

I just have to learn to duck more. LMAO

But seriously, I agree that America is Sue happy. You should be able to punch the guys lights out when he is releaving himself on your truck and not get sued for it. Stupid A$$ deserved it anyway.

O well enjoy the chuckle gentlemen

[s354026]

Well my dad is a surgeon in the Taiwanese millitary and he is a colonel. And he tells me that when they sent military doctors or medic to the US for exchange or training they routinle give them written orders not to give aid to anybody under no circumstances lest they get sued.

[Stoner68]

They fight over the flap on the back of the uniform !!

[ShadowWarrior1775]

Well there are always the occasional stories of an "old salt" taking a newbie "out behind the berm" and getting things squared away, which in my opinion should happen a little more often than it does these days but the bar fight thing. It's not a Marine vs. SEAL thing......its a guy vs. guy thing.....There are notorious stories about Marine vs. Marine and Ranger vs. Ranger, etc fights about whose unit is the toughest but the one thing we all ahve in common is our loyalty to each other.....We can fight each other but God help the person who tries to get in on it from the outside.....Then all you have is two highly trained groups of fighters standing side by side looking at YOU. The freindly rivalry between services, units, Teams and the like is the sort of unofficial thing that has built our military over the years and I only hope that it never goes away.....or we stand to lose the greatest training tool of them all.

[A62]

.....We can fight each other but God help the person who tries to get in on it from the outside.....


Any one ever heard the story of the bar brawl at the Air Force "O" club in Da Nang on New Years eve 1967?
I heard tell it was a real barn burner. Legend has it that when the smoke cleared there was 1 SF and one 1 USMC officer left standing. Don't know the veracity of this tale but it was a fairly widely told rumor in the Nothern I Corps area in 68.
A62 out

[Stoner68]

I have personally seen SEALs ,Marines ,Air Commandos ,etc. get the **** kicked out of them a few times. What the hell is the big deal? Someone always comes around who is a little tougher and a little faster. Now the toughest guy I know is Dennis Marshall. He looks like a Gorilla with one eyebrow and he never served in the military. I saw him rip up 5 marines at
once and as he was going down for what we thought was the last time he grabbed the last one by the throat and 1 minute later we had to pull him off of the poor guy as he was a sick gray color. So uniform ,color size doesn't mean a lot most of the time. But this guy sure was butt ugly. Trouble was he didn't know it because no one ever told him.

Now I was at a bar in another country and I saw a 5'2'' guy walk up to someone about 6'8'' and blow a hole in his chest with a .44 .

If that Officer's name was Bill Mitchell the fight is real and I know him.

[Gokusfusion]

Now the toughest guy I know is Dennis Marshall. He looks like a Gorilla with one eyebrow and he never served in the military.


I can see what you are saying to a extent. I remeber a story my old pops told me about.. He was a infantry man for the US. Army and he said to me once he saw a regular private infantry man bump into a Green Beret on accident,and caused him to spill his lunch. The Green Beret took it upon himself to take action.. Pops said the Green Beret got litterally beat down in front of everyone... I find this story hard to believe at times,but my pops never has lied to me.. So I suppose even the best of them can meet their match.

God Bless..

Jason.

[Stoner68]

I will make book on the fact that these guys are just like everyone else when it comes to a tough *** street fight. I think they have to agree on that. Especially the old timers. The marketing program sure does wonders now doesn't it ?

[Swimmer2004]

I like how Dennis Chalker puts everything in his book. He was a SEAL, team six, red cell and so on, but even he says a couple of times that he was glad so and so didn't get mad at him because that guy woulda ripped him a new one, i guess that kinda realism or honesty, whatever it is it is hard to find these days. There is always a bigger badder dog.
Lee

[Boatdrivers_Babe]

Any one ever heard the story of the bar brawl at

I think I heard about that one, and the one at the EM club in Okinawa in 1988 between the Ft. Fisher sailors and their Marine contingent (the ship was forever banned from the EM club in Okinawa after that) and then the fight down south when the idiot COB for the Squall called out the BMC for the det in a little back alley bar. The COB was pretty badly beat up, partly because the sailors off Squall's sister ship sided with the det. Had my two recollections from a participant.
But my theory is that the fights blow off steam, which is good because if you're holed up with the same people day in and day out for months at a time, you're eventually going to hate even your best buddy at one point or another. These bar fights serve a purpose in some ways. Better there than have a resulting lack of cooperation and team work later because the pressure wasn't taken off in the well deck or the bilge or the bar or whatever...
Just my $.02 worth.

[Sully]

These bar fights serve a purpose in some ways

Between friends/coworkers, I agree completely. However, my only run-ins/near run-ins have only been with underage kids who have a chip on their shoulder and no ability to hold their liquor. It's a damn shame to see how many kids join the military and still think they can act like little punk gangbangers...

[Boatdrivers_Babe]

It's a damn shame to see how many kids join the military and still think they can act like little punk gangbangers...

Amen Sully, I don't dare tell you how many of them skims comes across on a typical evening patrol on his command. Some of them aren't even enlisted....

[A62]

But my theory is that the fights blow off steam, which is good because if you're holed up with the same people day in and day out for months at a time, you're eventually going to hate even your best buddy at one point or another. These bar fights serve a purpose


Exactly, too bad it's PC now.
A62 out

[O_DUDEMAN]

diesel,
A good ol' bar fight isnt a lack of maturity as I've heard it put soooo many times! (lol) When you train hard and are taught all week long that your only goal in life is to make war, then are set out on a weekend; well it just seems a waist to let all of that good training go simmer on the back burner!!!!! (lmao)

Seriously though, I never got into a fight for any other reason than to 1) let off some steam. 2) practice what I was taught and had been doing all the previous week or so.


After the fight when Mother's Protection came in the door or we had just beeten ourselves to the point of no more. We would typically buy a round of beers and laugh about it! It seemed to me that it was just part of the game.
That doesn't mean we didn't have a guy or to always want to take things a little farther than was needed we just had to keep those guys on a lesh. It all boils down to a "family thing"!


Hope this wans't too much!