Eighteen-Delta school?

[goober4u]

I was just reading over "the warrior elite" and in the back they have everyone who graduated's name and what team they were sent to. But one enlisted man has "eighteen delta school" insted of a team. what is this? the only thing i could think of is dev group, but im not sure. I was just curious.

[frogwife]

18 Delta is the school corpsman are sent to following their graduation from BUD/s. Once SEAL corpsmen graduate from 18 Delta they are sent to a team.

[USSFPA]

Frogwife...
If I may, "The 18D School" has two seperate components, the SOCM or Special Operations Combat Medic Course which most SEAL corpsmen and Army Ranger , and SOF Medics attend; and the Advanced Special Operations Combat Medic Course or "ADSOCM". The ADSOCM course is the complete course that Army Special Forces Medical SGT's (18 D's) attend.
There are some SEAL Corpsmen that do attend the complete ADSOCM Course.
Just for clarity.

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[frogwife]

There are some SEAL Corpsmen that do attend the complete ADSOCM Course.
Yes, they do. But not generally fresh out of BUD/s. The guys that go to the advanced course do so after being at a Team for a few years.

They're not necessarily two different components. Graduation of SOCM is a requirement for attending the advanced course.

Oh, and this is the wife talking, so I'm sure Rik will either correct me or clarify my statements when he reads this. But I did want to answer about what I knew about, since Rik and I did our time at Ft. Bragg when Rik attended SOCM right after we got married. And there were several SEALs in his class that went on to attend the advanced course.

Also, graduates of SOCM are still required to maintain their paramedic quals while they are active duty. Being a licensed paramedic is a very valuable skill, whether in the military or beyond.

[USSFPA]

They're not necessarily two different components. Graduation of SOCM is a requirement for attending the advanced course.

It is always good to see that spouses are involved in their husbands profession and have an operational knowledge of what they go through.
Keeping things on a friendly note, and not trying to get into a pissing contest here, but they are indeed two seperate components. Graduation of the Basic course is a pre-req for the Adv course yes. Similiarly, graduation from Basic Airborne school is a pre-requisite for Jumpmaster. One leads to the other, but they are two training regimens and diplomas are awarded for each individual course.

I too spent my time at Bragg, close to 10 yrs, as both an 18D on HALO and SCUBA Special Forces Teams as well as being Cadre at the Special Warfare Center. Currently I work with SOCPAC, USNBUMED, and PACFLT tasking for SEAL Corpsmen who have been to the ADSOCM course in support of our POW / MIA recovery missions in Southeast Asia. That is why I know the numbers.
BUT this is to be understood since half a year out of the SEAL teams is a lot, and almost a FULL year out (for the long course) is a WHOLE LOT!!!
Breakdowns of the courses are as follows:

300-F8 SPECIAL OPERATIONS COMBAT MEDIC Course: 24 weeks

Basic Life Support/Automatic External Defibrillation (AED); pharmaceutical calculations; anatomy; physiology; pathophysiology; medical terminology; basic physical exam techniques; medical documentation; pharmacology; basic airway management; medical patient assessment; advanced airway management; patient management skills; pre-hospital trauma emergencies and care; advanced trauma tasks/skills; operating room procedures; minor surgical skills; NREMP-Basic examination; obstetrics and pediatric emergencies; cardiac pharmacology; Advanced Cardiac Life Support (ACLS); EMT Paramedic clinical rotation and field internship (consists of 2 weeks ambulance, 2 weeks of hospital, and 4 weeks of paramedic testing preparation); Hospital rotation: rotations in the emergency department, labor and delivery, surgical intensive care, pediatric emergency department, and operating room; Ambulance rotation: assignment to an Advanced LIfe Support EMS unit responsible for responding to a variety of 911 emergency calls; NREMT-Paramedic exam; care of the trauma patient in a field environment; preventive medicine; nursing care; 30 hours of clinical rotations in clinics located on Fort Bragg, NC, conducting sick call under the supervision of a physician or physician's assistant

18D30 Special Forces Medical Sgt: 46 weeks

Basic Life Support/Automatic External Defibrillation (AED); pharmaceutical calculations; anatomy; physiology; pathophysiology; medical terminology; basic physical exam techniques; medical documentation; pharmacology; basic airway management; medical patient assessment; advanced airway management; prehospital trauma emergencies; patient management tasks/skills; advanced trauma skills; operating room procedures; minor surgical skills; obstetric and pediatric emergencies; crdiac pharmacology; Advanced Cardiac Life Support (ACLS), clinical/ambulance rotation; extended care to the trauma patient in a field environment; mass casualty; military triage system; medical mission planning; medical threat; preventive medicine; physical examination; veterinary; dental laboratory; medical diseases and case studies; nursing; initial and long-term wound care; echelons of care (EOC) including training in combat trauma management, UW hospital, surgical procedures, preanesthesia, anesthesia, postanesthesia care, nursing care, records and reports, radiology, and central materials supply; attends a special operations clinical training site (30 days at a U.S. Army medical training facility within CONUS) including clinical training/experience and evaluation on ability to apply patient assemssment/management/care skills in various clinical settings; rotations through surgery, dermatology, pediatrics, orthopedics, radiology, preventive medicine/community health, and the outpatient/family practice clinic.


Also, graduates of SOCM are still required to maintain their paramedic quals while they are active duty. Being a licensed paramedic


Last thing here, (Army at least) SOCM grads are encouraged to maintain their paramedic certification. There is no penalty if it lapses...it just sucks that they let it lapse. It cannot be made a requirement because of mulitple issues...1 it costs money out of the medics pocket 2. Difficulties arise in their (military EMT-P's) ability to maintain the number of required rig and emergency department hours required for maintenance / recertification mainly due to their insurance requirements And 3. it is a civilian certification, not a licensure. Big difference.
Do not think that I am without experience with this stuff. I was a practicing EMT-P from 1986-1999 and was in one of the early batches of SOF NREMT-P knuckles who were trained down in Texas, then assisted in setting up the SOF sustainment package program in the early 90's. The paramedic thing came around because as graduates of the 18D course, we had NOTHING in the civilian market, when even the BASIC Army medics were having the EMT-Basic certification as an opportunity. If you think about it, EMT-P skills have little use on the battlefield. No defibrillators, Cardiac Drugs, etc...it was just a good thing to give us.

Again, not argueing with you, I am agreeing with you on 90% of your information, just adding a little here and there. With all sincerity, nice to see you know as much as you do.

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[frogwife]

Keeping things on a friendly note, and not trying to get into a pissing contest here, but they are indeed two seperate components. Graduation of the Basic course is a pre-req for the Adv course yes. Similiarly, graduation from Basic Airborne school is a pre-requisite for Jumpmaster. One leads to the other, but they are two training regimens and diplomas are awarded for each individual course.
Ah, heck! I wasn't trying to argue with you or imply that you didn't know your stuff.;) It was very obvious from your initial post that you did, and I assumed after reading it that you had attended the course at some point. I just misunderstand what you meant by calling them separate components. My mistake.

And I see that I referred to the certification as a 'license'. A mistake in terminology. Ouch! Wait til my husband reads this one. LOL! As I said, he'll be sure to correct me.:)

The paramedic thing came around because as graduates of the 18D course, we had NOTHING in the civilian market, when even the BASIC Army medics were having the EMT-Basic certification as an opportunity. If you think about it, EMT-P skills have little use on the battlefield. No defibrillators, Cardiac Drugs, etc...it was just a good thing to give us.
I really, really feel that is the best thing some of the guys can have when they get out. A good friend of ours got out of the Teams a few years ago and immediately went to work as a paramedic. It's a good paying job and he has flexible hours so he can work and go to school full-time as well.

BTW, thank you for the informative post. I learned alot from it, and appreciate your staying friendly.;)

[USSFPA]

Cool Beans!
Big High Fives all around ;)

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