View Full Version : The infamous COLD
Dwidrich
03-13-2003, 06:08 AM
Possibly the most recurring comment people make about BUD/s is reagrding the cold. Just how cold are we talking? I've read on this site that the water temp is between 58* and 68* (giv or take one or two) year round in San Diego, what other factors influence the extreme cold? What are the temperatures in the area like, is there a great deal of wind chill? Does the mud/sand amplify the effect? Is there any other frame of reference to which I would be able to compare/experience this factor of BUD/s?
DW.
kevin22ca
03-13-2003, 09:45 AM
There is no year round temp. The water temp in my winter class was as low as 47 degrees. I can gurantee thaty summer classes did not have that same temp as in the summer the water can get above 70. And yeah stuff like 20 degree air temp certainly does make that worse but again you're talking about a cold winter class (some winter classes actually don't have it tooo bad, like this years had 80 degree weather in Jan..... that was a record). Get a summer class and you don't have to worry about the cold........ heck heat exhaustion is a summer classe's main concern.
Dwidrich
03-13-2003, 12:35 PM
Damn, 47 degrees! I hope that in weather that cold the time spent outside is reduced (at least somewhat) simply due to the medical reasons. Are there circumstances where students are permitted wetsuits or some other gear to allow for maintaining body temp?
DW
kevin22ca
03-13-2003, 12:42 PM
Time outside is not monitored, time in the water is SUPPOSE to be monitored very closely. Time in water actually is monitored extremely closely it just they don't allows follow the time in water chart which tells the instructors how long they can keep the trainees in the water at what particular temp (some instructors just don't like that chart). When you are getting surf tortured and doing boat surf passage no you don't wear any special gear just your clothes, but in water that cold when you do swimmer surf passage and ocean swims they are almost required to allow use of your wetsuit but sometimes its not always the case. Sometimes the very first swimmer surf passage or bay swim they will try to get away with making you "earn" your wetsuit but in temperatures that cold they usually at least have to provide you with your top. Sometimes they can only get away with denying you your bottoms since it will be so cold.
Hi, my name is Kevin. I am a very bitter person because I could not hack it, and now I want to come back and tell everyone how easy BUD/s was. See, I have little respect for real SEALs because I have such little respect for myself. My loser friends are all Olympic style athletes who have no heart whatsoever.
I make excuses for them, and myself, because we are a sad sack of no respecting, and cant-cut-it individuals. I must have had my scrotum removed because I actually take on the wives of SEALs as well. If you'll notice in my threads, I could not hack it in BUD/s, but I am chock full of answers on how YOU can get through it.
I could not handle the cold water/weather, yet I blame this on hyping-out (sounds like coping-out), and I will go on and on about how current SEALs like Wetwash offer false advice to gonnabe's because, well, I know more. You see, I am like a gelding with no sac, no heart, and no courage. I have nothing to offer here but just a bunch of excuses and derogatory comments to the entire SEAL community (because after all, I don't seem to realize that attacking the SEALs or their wives is like attacking them all.)
I was mentally and physically incapable of finishing anything in the SEAL training, and that makes me a bitter and lonely soul. I went into the SEALs because they were the VERY BEST IN THE WORLD, but now that I could not hack it, I have changed my mind and decided to belittle all of the people on this site who could hack it. I have no respect for myself, and therefore have no respect for any of you.
Again, I am a loser and a quitter - I could not make the grade, so now I must spend my days bringing down the very thing I wanted so very badly. If I don't support the SEAL community, it is because by bringing them down, I don't feel like such a whiner. quitter and a loser, and they don't appear to be the VERY BEST IN THE WORLD.
Ignore me, because I am full of excuses on why my life is just one big DOR.
matts_da_man
03-13-2003, 07:45 PM
Please, water teamp at 70 degrees during the summer! between 50 and 60 degrees year round in San Diego. It isnt so bad, just take some cold showers without turning on the hot water at all, that will get you used to the cold water. Dont woryy about the cold!!!
kevin22ca
03-13-2003, 07:55 PM
Dude I have a second home in La Jolla and I'm a surfer! I think I know what the water temp is in SD lol. Where do you live anyways? Maine but read some book? lol............ Oh and I've been thanked for my "false" advive by several people on this unlike some other suppose "SEALs" who do nothing but berate the people. If you have a problem with me helping some of the kids here ghet the info that they want then just ignore me, because i don't just go around berated them, I actually like to help them by answering their questions. God damn you people are ridiculous lol.
kevin22ca
03-13-2003, 07:56 PM
Oh and Cil how do you know my info is false? Have you been there? Its funny, I am somehow giving out this false info yet not one single ex-egocentric-SEAL has steped in and corrected my info when I have answered these kids's question. Maybe thats because i know what I'm talking about! lol
Krayn
03-14-2003, 03:15 AM
It ain't the god damn 'Ask Kevin' forum.. OMFG, having hard time reading or what?
I don't know if your "advise" is wrong or right. What I do know is you are full of sh&%. Man, you are quite the hero for being a non-hacker. For a Quitter you are a "world class athlete" , a mtn climber, a surfer dude, what other lines of crap do you have for us poor examples of humanity. I bet if you were to do Everest, you would be whining before you got to the 2nd BC. Oh, wa wa, it's too cold. Wa wa, my crampons are too loose. You are the biggest loser I have had the opportunity to observe in a long, long time. That's OK though, you will shortly be apart of the cyber dead. ROTFLMFAO.
A62 out bye kev.
frogwife
03-14-2003, 04:58 AM
I have to agree with the other poster. The water temp in San Diego in the summer time is usually in the mid to high 60s. 70 and above is considered a treat. And the air temp RARELY reaches higher than 90 on the coast. And yes, I did live there, for over 7 years.
Oh and Cil how do you know my info is false
Here quitter, quitter, quitter. Oh quitter, where are you? Quitter? Oh, there you are! You're such a good quitter! Yes you are. Now go fetch boy, go on quitter.
Southpaw11
03-14-2003, 08:07 AM
That's OK though, you will shortly be apart of the cyber dead. ROTFLMFAO.
WHOA!!! *leaning backward holding back the rottweilers*
RRARRFFF RRRRRRRUF *SNORT* RUFF RUFF RUFFRRRRRRR RRRRR *SNORT* RRR GRRR GRR
RUFF RUFF RORF RORF *SNORT* RARRRRRRRRRRRR GRRRR GRR GR *SLOBBER SLOBBER*
GRRR
EASY BOYZ... EEEAAZZZY.... *sliding along floor trying for footing...edges... heels... NOTHIN*
sp out
Southpaw11
03-14-2003, 08:11 AM
Here quitter, quitter, quitter. Oh quitter, where are you? Quitter? Oh, there you are! You're such a good quitter! Yes you are. Now go fetch boy, go on quitter.
ROFLMFAO!!! Stop it CIL.... *weez* I can't breath LOL
sp out
gmgfarrand
03-14-2003, 09:17 AM
Kevin22ca no longer exists here.....
kevin23ca
03-14-2003, 01:58 PM
I don't? Well I guess technically you're right, kevin"22"ca no longer exists here lol........... god you guys are incompetent
kevin"22"ca no longer exists
Here quitter, quitter, quitter. Oh quitter, where are you? Quitter? Oh, there you are! You're such a good quitter! Yes you are. Now go fetch boy, go on quitter
kevin23ca
03-14-2003, 02:10 PM
10 minutes!!!! HAHA! It didn't even take 10 seconds! Damn you are as incompetent as the suppose SEALs that tried to ban me Cil! lol ....... (Cil said 10 seconds ago he was going to ignore me lol)
froggywife
03-14-2003, 02:33 PM
Kevin you have said you dropped out of BUD/s by choice. That being said, why do feel the need to harass people on this board? Because that's what you're doing. I dont hold it against ANYONE for dropping out of BUD/s. i know i couldnt do it and most people cant. But when someone drops out and then harasses people who have done the thing they didnt do, or would like to do, then that's just ridiculous. You can get defensive as much as you like, but you are obviously having some issues about yourself dropping out of BUD/s. it was 4 years ago and if you were totally over it, you wouldnt have chosen to come on this site.
kevin23ca
03-14-2003, 03:16 PM
Why in the world do you automatically assume that someone drops out only because they CAN'T do it? Lady first of all contrary to what all the books and people say most do not quit because they can't do it. Take a suppose class of 100. You'll have 5 lil kids who get so intimidated that they quit on the day they arrive before Indoc even starts. Then you'll get about 15 kids that quit in the first 2 to 3 days because they absolutely had no business being there and are in terrible shape and only got there because some people felt for them. You're down to 80. Out of those 80 you'll have about 15 quit because they really can't hack it, that will be between week 1 of indoc and week 2 of BUD/s (I'm going on the old hell week as 5th week Bud/s). So now you're down to 65. Then after about the third week of Bud/s you'll have 5 guys or so start quitting because its just not what they thought it would be often (often times these are the creame de la creame). Now you're at 60. Then for the remainder of BUD/s you'll have about 35 guys or so get dropped/rolled for medical reasons. So you got 25 guys graduating of a class of 100 of which only 15 guys who really had any business being there in the first place quit because "they couldn't hack". So must of the core group of guys who drop who have a chance of passing Bud/s do so because of injuries. So please know what you're talking about before you make your extremely misinformed comments because some of these kids may get intimidated by them for no reason............. and lady if you remember you were the one that began the harrassment ;-)
froggywife
03-14-2003, 03:23 PM
i didnt begin any harrassment with you.
And MOST people quit because they cant do it. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Sure, maybe some decide that it's not for them, but i suspect that it's because that in the long run, they realize that cant stick it out. I'm sure when you're lying there in the water you'll give anythign to be warm and have a good meal and lots of people get out of the water and quit for that reason. But was that hot meal worth giving up BUD/s? probably not for most people. My husband is still friends with some guys in his class that quit, and they are ALL depressed and miserable that they didnt stick it out. They wish they had been stronger and just made it through. I have never heard any of them say that it wasnt hard and that it was too easy for them so that's why they quit, lol.
frogwife
03-14-2003, 03:23 PM
creame de la creame
It's creme de la creme.
kevin23ca
03-14-2003, 03:35 PM
well froggywife maybe your husband has some friends who just couldn't hack it plain and simple. There are many who come there woefully unfit who can't hack. Bud/s isn't all that if you're prepared, but heck, doing one single pushup or a couple hundred is impossible for someone who just plain can't.
who can't hack
Does anybody wonder why Kevin always talks about the negative; how we can't do it, how there is always a reason why its ok to lose, how winner's are all fakes, how winning is over-rated, how losing is expalanable.
I for one can't stand his ***! I hate Excuse Makers and Liers!
Krayn
03-14-2003, 03:59 PM
What about people that refuses to go away when you 1) ask them to 2) delete their account?
kevin23ca
03-14-2003, 03:59 PM
Umm Cil, i used the word "hack" because I was specifically referring to those that did...... its ok to be completely unaware of the situation though, maybe you just have some french in you
kevin23ca
03-14-2003, 04:03 PM
if my account is deleted then how am i still posting here?
Krayn
03-14-2003, 04:10 PM
if my account is deleted then how am i still posting here?
lol, and your IQ level was what?
Seriously, give me a brake.
frogwife
03-14-2003, 04:15 PM
french
It's French
i used the word "hack"
Again, such a negative loser.................And a negative quitter!
DirkD
03-15-2003, 10:14 AM
Being a SEAL has little to do with running/swimming/etc. These are the bare minimum physical standards that must be kept. Presence of mind, Teamwork/Selfsacrifice, and technical mastery of skill sets are neccesary. The last is the easiest to acquire, and is taught in many courses nationwide. However few can actually perform these skill sets regardless of circumstance, under duress, during less than ideal conditions.
For someone to say "the creme de creme" quit is within a few weeks is laughable. What kind of juvinile perspective is that? Any trade you want to ply has a long road to get there. The simple truth is many won't stay the course, be that SEAL, Ranger, Lawyer, MD, whatever. The road to professional mastery takes many years whatever your path.
The instant gratification so beloved by the Playstation crowd doesn't lend itself to professional accomplishments.
kevin- you are a true quitter, one who whines and drivels on blaming others/ or circumstance for their lot in life.
It's too bad, obviously your not stupid, just misguided. Once my grandfather told me anyone smart can break things/people apart easily, but it takes alot more to be a builder of people and things. What do you bring to the plate?
Your lot is similar to the discarded girlfriend. You knew no one really wanted you around anyhow, and yet whine about the eventual outcome you put yourself in.
Wetwash
03-15-2003, 10:45 AM
Dirk ,
Welcome Aboard. I noticed you did not put up a profile. If you have watched this site for any length of time at all, I am sure you noticed we do get our fair share of impostors here. Please email me at GreenSEAL@udtseal.com. With your apparent knowledge and expertise you will be a welcome addition to the site. All of the Real SEALs here have been authenicated buy the SEAL authentication team.. Just a matter of policy.
Southpaw11
03-15-2003, 11:51 AM
dwidrich-
Kevin is NOT a Navy SEAL. His comments, advice, and information are NOT endorsed, encouraged, NOR are they accepted by this community.
You should pay CLOSE attention to the advice of folks like Cyberseal, Wetwash, Wazz, DirkD, SealPup, Bullrider, Doug, et al... THEY are the guys that went the distance, have experienced the entire program, and will be able to provide you the most effective and most accurate information in your 'quest'
best wishes to you...
southpaw
kevin24ca
03-15-2003, 02:34 PM
riiiiiiiight
Dwidrich
03-16-2003, 10:59 AM
Thank you Kevin and Matt-Da-man for addressing the question at hand and giving advice (been doing the cold showers for a while now)
Thank you Southpaw for the encouragement and advice.
The rest of you need to do your bickeing somewhere else. I (and I assume most other people who frequent this sight) read almost every post and thread, I understand everyones complaints about Kevin, but seriously, start your own thread b/c people who really want to get information are getting really pissed at this constant bickering over one person.
Sincerely,
DW.
Tagpole-2
03-16-2003, 11:31 AM
Your right DW...
people who really want to get information are getting really pissed at this constant bickering over one person.
I couldn't have said it better.