Marine Force Recon

[djjunox]

Hi everyone, I would first like to say that I have tramendous respect for all Special Forces and military persons in the best country in the world. If it wasnt for the brave men and women in our armed forces ,the United States wouldnt exsist. I really didnt know where to post this topic, as there is not a listing for it in the forum. I know that Force Recon is not offically a Spec Ops divsion, but they have throughout their exixstence done some pretty speacial things. I am leaving for bootcamp in Sept for the great MARINES and have all the asperations of joining Froce Recon. I know that Froce Recon gets trained in all the Spec Ops schools as the rest of the speacial forces do and was wondering why the dont have the title of a Spec Ops divsion??? I understand that they are not an assualt team persay, but very well can be, they are to retrive information and then relay that back to the HQ. Also I was wondering if anyone that is a SEAL that might have been in Recon formally could give me some idea as to what I have to look forward to in the testing faze to become Recon??? What can i do to prepare?, is the testing anything like SEAL/ BUDS training??? Also I read an article about two weeks ago in USA Today, statiing that the Marines are going to finally make a Special Forces division, that is to begin sometime in the Fall, and was wondering if anyone had any info on the new group??? Thanks

[Mac679]

statiing that the Marines are going to finally make a Special Forces division


I'm sure the Army would have something to say about that...keep in mind, SEALs, Recon/Force Recon, PJs/CCTs/TACPs, Rangers, etc., aren't Special Forces; Special Forces is Special Forces ( US Army CMF18, authorized to wear the green beret and Special Forces Tab )

what you read wasn't about the USMC forming a new SOF but actually about the USMC placing Force Recon under SOCOM in the same manner SF, 75th Rangers, SEALs, etc. are.

[Airborne101st]

Dude I totally agree with you, i think they should be designated Spec Ops, but there are some points why they arent. I also want to join Force Recon after i go to Marines Boot Camp. From what i can understand, Force Recon cannot be designated Spec Ops because they are just a quick combat team, not used for highly classified missions, they are mainly used to clear battlefields for marines helicopters or for MEU but i still strongly agree that they should be Spec Ops because of how dangerous and difficult their training and missions are.

I need to ask, djjunox, are you going for Scout or Sniper in Force Recon?

I hope I can see you in combat one day as a Recon Marine!

[CaptRonaldSpeirs]

im not a expert like mark. not being sarcastic my utmost respect and admiration goes out to that guy. but u should spell the name of the program correcty for starters. thtats all i got.

joining Froce Recon. I know that Froce Recon

im just screwing with you though. good luck and my best wishes
The Only Easy Day Was Yesterday

[Mac679]

Force Recon cannot be designated Spec Ops because they are just a quick combat team, not used for highly classified missions, they are mainly used to clear battlefields for marines helicopters or for MEU


Force Recon wasn't placed under USSOCOM before because the USMC wouldn't relinquish control of them to an outside command. It had nothing to do with their mission taskings ( primarily pulling reconaissance missions for Division and MEU level, they do also have some DA missions as well ), but was a territorial call. Using FR to clear an LZ is a misuse of personnel and training for anything beyond Pathfinder operations. FR acts as eyes and ears for the Division/MEU.

[djjunox]

Airborne101st - I would be going for Scout, and I hope to see you there aswell.

CaprtRonaldSpiers - Thanks for the grammer lesson - I should know how to spell the one thing that I most want to do right....hahaha, Thanks

Mac679 - Thanks alot for the clarification on Recon finally being known as a Special Forces division.

Does anyone have any opion as to what I can expect on the training for Force Recon, and what I can do to prepare myself?? Thanks

[Mac679]

Thanks alot for the clarification on Recon finally being known as a Special Forces division.


um, one they still aren't Special Forces, unless they plan attending SFAS/SFQC; two, they definitely ain't a division, not big enough to form a unit of that size

all that happened was them getting placed under SOCOM, which means they get money and training through SOCOM; it has no relation to whether or not they're an SOF; hell the Army's LRSU's don't fall under SOCOM, doesn't mean they don't pull missions that can fall into the realm of special operations

[TheCorp04]

THIS IS A GREAT ARTICLE I PLAN TO BE IN THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORP. THE DO SO MANY SPECIAL THINGS. THEIR TRAINING IS ONE OF THE HARDEST TO PASS. GOD BLESS YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO EMBARK ON. I'M YOUNG BUT HAVE ALWAYS LOVED TO BE IN THE MILITARY. 13 TO BE EXACT BUT ENJOY HARD AND ROUGH PHYSICAL TRAINING.

PAIN IS TEMPORARY
PRIDE IS FOREVER .

[warpig]

all that happened was them getting placed under SOCOM

mac, mac ,mac, still uneducated? shame, check it out wardawg, force is not going to be place under socom. recently, 12 marines from the usmc were. the corps is forming a tier2 team. primarily made up of individuals (salty) from force. one other thing, force is attached to MEF( only on the west coast)dont worry II MEF will resume control again soon. relax on those individuals not knowing the lingo. what you should be worried about is understanding the info you type. listen no harm no foul, USMC RECON,FORCE RECON, ANGLICO( which are being re-activated) STA, CAG, FAST(sec. frc bn) are only highly trained marines helping out marines, relax killer. well, with the exception of ANGLICO, they were detached to army units (including SF-101st).




Stay hard . remember we are on the same side dont make uneducated statement( in combat thats a nono) stay green wardawg

[Gokusfusion]

THIS IS A GREAT ARTICLE I PLAN TO BE IN THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORP. THE DO SO MANY SPECIAL THINGS. THEIR TRAINING IS ONE OF THE HARDEST TO PASS.



Marine Corps more unless has the hardest basic training.. I can assure you they do not have nowere near the hardest training.. (I am not criticizing Marines) Army Rangers,SF,SEALs, go through more then the average Marine does... I don't know much about Recons training,but I have heard it still isn't as horrid as SEALs training or SF training.

Marines are pride which is a good thing to have,but they do not go through as tough of training as alot of them claim. Lots of them claim to have the same training as SEALs,that is nowere near true,BUD/S is far harder than Marine Corp sbootcamp... 1 day of BUD/S is 4 times harder then the final test of Marine corps bootcamp,the Crucible.

Marines serve there purposes and are good at what they do,just stateing some facts about them. I am not criticizing..

Good Luck

God Bless.

Jason.

[warpig]

I can assure you they do not have nowere near the hardest training.. (I am not criticizing Marines) Army Rangers,SF,SEALs, go through more then the average Marine does..


u r correct, the average marine infantryman, does not encounter those sort of extreme challenges.(Rangers, the school is good to go, but as far as the rangers as a whole, they are the best at what there mission is) but they are more of a blocking force and airfield seizure force vice a door kicker or a recon unit( though they have training, but not to the degree to be considered as the sole force to conduct such ops)

I don't know much about Recons training,but I have heard it still isn't as horrid as SEALs training or SF training.

you said it knowledge, they start out with boot(13wks), soi (10wks), selection and screening,RIP 4-8 wks, ars8wks, that is just what you need to complete to become an 0321. then of course the individual training phase, unit training phase, pre-deploymnetphase, depl phase, post deployment phase(each 6months). the pipeline schools are run by the army, navy, and marines(budget. u need to realize that force recon marines are not spec ops we r highly trained marine,here to support the marine infantry.

[Gokusfusion]

.(Rangers, the school is good to go, but as far as the rangers as a whole, they are the best at what there mission is) but they are more of a blocking force and airfield seizure force vice a door kicker or a recon unit( though they have training, but not to the degree to be considered as the sole force to conduct such ops)


Yeah,that's true,they also act as a diversion group for Delta's and SF units.

u need to realize that force recon marines are not spec ops we r highly trained marine,here to support the marine infantry.


I never said Force Recon wasn't highly trained.. That's why I said (Your average Marine doesn't encounter this type of training. Force Recon is above average Marine) Actually I have been told that Force Recon is being or now is part of JSOC.

God Bless.

Jason.

[Gokusfusion]

but u should spell the name of the program correcty for starters. thtats all i got.



Are you telling him he should spell correctly? Or is this some sort of joke?

God Bless.

Jason.

[warpig]

That's why I said (Your average Marine doesn't encounter this type of training. Force Recon is above average Marine) Actually I have been told that Force Recon is being or now is part of JSOC.


you are correct, the average grunt will not see the specialized training as mfr, delta, seals, sf. but rangers do one thing that the infantryman does not do (jump) not baggin them just reality. and no, force is not apart of socom. the corps sent 12 marines to socom, the corps is trying to form a tier2 team, without losing force. force recon marines have been used throughout time(ever since socom was formed) to compliment rather than replace the other services' spec ops units. i honestly think that this will be a good thing, these marines can give knowledge they have and also recieve knowledge. its a win/win situation.