BUD/S Academics ?? [Archive] - NavySEALs.com Forums

Doug

02-07-2003, 04:32 AM

I know that the enlisted have to maintain at least a 70% average for the classwork, what kind of classwork are we talking about here ??

In each phase you get a "Phase workbook" You are given tests/ Phase 1 is really basic stuff you need to know for hydro recon. Beach Terminology, etc. Phase 2 obviously dive physics, and 3 obviously land warfare-related, explosives, safety precautions, etc.... The hardest but funnest for me was by far dive physics. Just know basic math, basic physics and know how to read and write well before you go in and you'll be ok. Develop good study habits. Lots of guys dont make it because they dont study hard enough and never get past the tests. The ASVAB requirements are for that reason - to see if you have the common abilitay to fare well in the classes. Obviuosly someone that has a 10 score on the MC of the ASVAB would have a hell of a time with Dive Physics in BUD/S. *lol* Dont worry about the academics part. Just study hard when you get to that point...Good luck....

gmgfarrand

02-07-2003, 07:18 AM

Thanks Doug.
I would like to believe that I am a fairly intelligent person, but I seem to have problems with math, ALGEBRA to be specific.
I guess I should be OK, when I took the ASVAB before my first enlistment in '91 I scored high enough to go "puke", I mean NUKE. ;)
I currenty have done self study and gotten my computer certifications for MCSA, A+, NETWORK+, and i-Net+ so like I said, I should be good to go.

Wetwash

02-07-2003, 10:47 AM

Doug is right on.. I will stress one of the points that he made Bertter than average study habits. Alot of information is thrown at you quickly, and with all the other stuff going on at the same time...The better study habits you have the better you will do.

gmgfarrand

02-07-2003, 11:04 AM

Those scores are the minimum, Officers have to score at least 80%.
Maybe because they think enlisted are dumber..... ;)

froggywife

02-07-2003, 11:08 AM

well enlisted usually are dumber...i guess dumb is not a nice word to use, but most dont have degrees where officers do.

gmgfarrand

02-07-2003, 11:15 AM

No Dumb isn't a nice word to use, and also, a degree does not measure inteligence or common sense.
I have known officers that were "rocks".
Granted I don't have my degree yet, I am in college, but it comes down to a time-issue.
I was joking when I said that maybe the enlisted rank is viewed as "dumber".
You seem to believe it.

To say that officers are smarter than enlisted would be inaccurate in the least.

DMANN

02-07-2003, 07:28 PM

Yeah your probably right us future enlisted people are dumb and would never think about joining to take advantage of getting an education. I just love the fact that people who were making 80 90 thousand a year ago doing tech stuff are making less then me now were i work. If thay were so smart thay would of saved some of that money thay made and got another degree.

Doug

02-08-2003, 12:52 PM

well enlisted usually are dumber...i guess dumb is not a nice word to use, but most dont have degrees where officers do.

Whoa there!

I resent that comment! Having a college degree does NOT make someone smarter than a person without a degree. I do not yet have a college degree, however I am on my way. In BUD/S, my scores on tests (physical AND academic were higher than every officer in the class - every test). Well they had degrees (some from "top rated" schools such as the Naval Academy and others). So do not make the statement or the presumption that a person with a college degree is more intelligent than a person without one. All it means is that they are deeper in debt.

Also, your comment hints at the fact that most enlisted SEALs do not have degrees. While I do not speak for all and I do not know the exact percentages, a large number of enlisted SEALs DO have college degrees.

Im not throwing this post toward you offensively...just want to set the record straight...

Wetwash

02-09-2003, 12:54 PM

ELIISTED MEN ARE DUMBER? Wow..What a STUPID, DUMB STATEMENT..hope you husband never has to depernd on one of his DUMB teammates..GEEEEESH

02-09-2003, 01:06 PM

well enlisted usually are dumber...i guess dumb is not a nice word to use, but most dont have degrees where officers do.

how come the enlisted guys only have to maintain 70%? not to brag but my husband is enlisted and has been scoring around 96 or 98. 70% just seems pretty low.

FroggyWife,

I've seen some pretty DUMD things posted on the site but this has to take the cake. I know later that you say you are sorry for the way your statement came out, but the fact remains that you did say it. I hope the enlisted men your husband will work with if and when he becomes a SEAL never find out who FroggyWife is for his sake. And while we are on the subject of your hubby, seams like you have been making claims all over this site that he is already a SEAL. Sounds like we got us a phony SEAL wife here.

froggywife

02-09-2003, 01:25 PM

wow, well for some reason everytime i say something, people jump down my throat. I think I will leave this site. I think some of you need to realize that everyone has different opinions here. Perhaps it's because I'm a female, I really dont know. And i have said on numerous occasions that my husband is not yet a SEAL, but he's made it farther than most people. he's at SQT now and will get his pin in May. Maybe if you payed attention to more of what was said, instead of flapping your stupid mouth PJ, you wouldnt say things that you have no idea about. True I did apologize for what I said about enlisted/officers, but welcome to the real world. Most people are going to agree with me that officers are just more ambitious and intellectual. A person with a college degree and a person with a high school degree are just two different people in this world. If you havent realized that yet, then i dont know where you're from. Quite frankly I dont know why everyone got so offended and defensive by what I said.

Doug

02-09-2003, 01:49 PM

I think I will leave this site.

That would be a good idea! You should...

I think some of you need to realize that everyone has different opinions here. Perhaps it's because I'm a female, I really dont know.

I think you need to realize that the title of this forum is "Ask A SEAL" not "Ask a SEAL-Hopeful's wife."

And i have said on numerous occasions that my husband is not yet a SEAL, but he's made it farther than most people. he's at SQT now and will get his pin in May.

IF he is successful, he will EARN his TRIDENT in May...

Maybe if you payed attention to more of what was said, instead of flapping your stupid mouth PJ, you wouldnt say things that you have no idea about.

This is where you went way over the line. HopefulFroggyInTrainingWife - PJ is a REAL SEAL WIFE and a very valued and loved member of this site. She knows a hell of a lot more about any of this stuff than you do! Her husband has paid more dues as a SEAL than you and husband can even begin to fathom. Do NOT, I repeat do NOT offend her or anyone else that you dont know about on this site again! This is why I tell you you should leave! With your attitude like this, you are NOT welcome here. I dont care who or what your husband HOPES to become. Keep in mind he is NOT a SEAL yet. Watch who you make rude and offensive remarks to!

but welcome to the real world. Most people are going to agree with me that officers are just more ambitious and intellectual.

So the officers that QUIT in my BUD/S class were more ambitious than me and the other enlisted men that graduated with me and became SEALs. Even the officers that scored lower than me on Academic tests - they were more intellectual than me. WAKE UP! You dont have a clue about the Teams. If your husband hopes to become a frog, you better wisen up real quick and learn to support the enlisted DUMB people keeping your husband ALIVE! You better hope that they are ambitious enough and intellectual enough to do that!

A person with a college degree and a person with a high school degree are just two different people in this world. If you havent realized that yet, then i dont know where you're from.

I dont know where your from, but a college degree does NOT make you more intelligent or goal-orieted! Move on and leave this site. You are UNWELCOMED here now by me.....You crossed the line!

froggywife

02-09-2003, 01:59 PM

All i know is I would be horrified if my husband didnt make it through BUD/s and ended up on the fleet. Those people are white trash and ghetto and i would not want to be associated with them by any means! I am just glad that in his community the enlisted people are college educated like he is. And dont you worry, he'll get his pin. As far as I'm concerned you all crossed the line when you judged me and felt the need to make rude comments about everything I said. Now it's just my turn.

"I think you need to realize that the title of this forum is "Ask A SEAL" not "Ask a SEAL-Hopeful's wife."

I have the right to say whatever i want. I know what i'm talking about, in fact I'm probably more up to date on my info than most of you.

"Do NOT, I repeat do NOT offend her or anyone else that you dont know about on this site again!"

Perhaps you lovely people should take your own advice (;

"So the officers that QUIT in my BUD/S class were more ambitious than me and the other enlisted men that graduated with me and became SEALs. Even the officers that scored lower than me on Academic tests - they were more intellectual than me."

At least they have plenty of other options and wont get stuck out on the fleet. I can tell you that any enlisted guy with a degree that quit BUD/s turned in an officers package faster than any of your heads will spin because they didnt want to get stuck working with stupid people.

"I dont know where your from, but a college degree does NOT make you more intelligent or goal-orieted!"

Keep telling yourself that.

froggywife

02-09-2003, 02:07 PM

I'm also sick of eveyone jumping at the chance to point fingers and call someone a fake SEAL. get lives! Being a SEAL is not the end all, be all of professions. Not everyone wants to do, and just because someone is a SEAL does not mean they are God. It's not like you get any special treatment. I've met plenty of real SEALs and none of them have attitudes like you people. they dont go around acting like they know everything there is to know. Its really unattractive when people are egotistical and think they are superior to others, but unfortunately many of you here seem to think that you are.

02-09-2003, 02:13 PM

I'm gunna flap my stupid mouth one more time

Yes, most people do have different opinions, but most of the things you say are not opinions but are digs or cuts

Most people are going to agree with me that officers are just more ambitious and intellectual.

This was not what you stated eariler, but this is still a dig. There are several reasons why an enlisted man might not have a degree, one being that he and his family didn't have the money to send him to college. Does this mean that he is DUMD? NO! Some will get their degrees while in the Navy - my enlisted Frog/SEAL got his degree in criminology while in the Teams. But does that make him better than the others?

A person with a college degree and a person with a high school degree are just two different people in this world.

Good point, but a college degree does not insure security in this crazy world. Just ask the people out in the real world now looking for work because they couldn't get a job with there chosen degrees.

Quite frankly I dont know why everyone got so offended and defensive by what I said.

Mostly because you are not thinking before you post, at least I hope that is the reason you are saying the things that you say. In this post you slammed enlisted men in general. In another, you "commented" on a subject that was deemed taboo. Need I go on? You forced me to respond on ask a SEAL because of your insulting remarks and I'm NOT A SEAL.

FW, what you did here was imply that people with degrees were better that people with out degrees. More intellectual, maybe --- more ambitious, NO, --- and definitely not better. You stated in a later response that you didn't like it when you were told that enlisted and officers couldn't mix, well to a degree that is the same thing you were doing - drawing a line between degrees and no degrees.

OK nuff said, I'll close my stupid mouth now

PJ --- Real FroggyWife period, one that knows the concept of thinking before I write.

froggywife

02-09-2003, 02:20 PM

well i still stand by what I said about officers being more intellectual than the average enlisted man. And at this day and age anyone can get a college degree. Those things are practically becoming obsolete. Again, i'm not going to say that all enlisted people are dumb, for f*ck's sake, my own husband is enlisted and I think he's the greatest. But being an enlisted SEAL and a regular enlisted sailor are just two different things! My husband would probably be chipping paint on some ship if he hadnt made it through BUD/s. But I personally feel that officers just have it better. They get a lot more respect, money, they can go places that they enlisted people cant. I just would never want to be an enlisted person. I just feel that i deserve more than to have to kiss everyone else's *** just because they are of higher rank. In general, the military life would just not be for me. I would go crazy having to call people sir or ma'am all the time.

froggywife

02-09-2003, 02:32 PM

Just wanted to point out too, that after I apologized, people continued to go on and on by insulting me. I see no reason for this, I initially took back what i said, but oops i said more once I was rudely insulted and degraded.

froggywife

02-09-2003, 02:51 PM

Pathus

02-09-2003, 04:13 PM

Froggywife, Trying to talk **** to Doug is just retarded. You prove your immaturity. Neither you nor I know jack about being a Navy SEAL, although I hopefully will a few years down the line. Your comments are simply idiotic and disrespectful. Every time I browse a topic you respond to, you insult people or say outright stupid things and dont even realize it. I somehow cannot believe you really are the wife of a navy SEAL. You insult people and then appologize for insulting them, while insulting them again with some crudge remark. For one, I do plan on getting a degree because I will need it should I chose not to spend the rest of my life as a SEAL. I know lots of very dumb people who are in college and I also know many smart people who never went to college. My father is a corporate director(turned down the VP job offer). I am not trying to brag about that. He told me and so does his boss who is worth $50 million that degree means nothing. It will help you get a job, but after that, work experience is everything. They also told me that having a college degree simply tells them you have grown up and are ready for a job. Basically, I am saying that being skilled and smart will get you far. Degrees are helpful, but not necessary. As for the argument enlisted men are dumb, you are wrong. Some certainly are dumb, but I bet there are plenty of dumb officers also. I know lots of people with good grades who are dumber than **** if they can't study for 2 hours a night. Enough of the rambling. I am trying to make a point you probably wont understand.

DMANN

02-09-2003, 04:21 PM

WOW Frog i have nothing against you personally but you need to shut up now. Say your hubby doesnt make it and goes to the fleet are you going to leave him. You said your self that you cant stand people in the fleet. Im not in the navy YET but i can imagine its like a big team every one relies on every one and just casue your in the fleet doesnt mean that there dumb or what ever it is you think its just thay had diffrent objectives in life. Some people wanna be SEAL's others wanna be pilots or mechanics or what ever and some did it to get out of a bad neighbor hoods or just to travel and see the world. My point is just cause your in the fleet doesnt mean your a dumb ***. OH and i meat some one who is going to rejoin the navy as enlisted as soon as he get his age waiver. Whys he rejoing you ask. Cause he didnt want to try for SEAL's as an officer. And he has some very impressive degrees. Would you call some one like that a dumb ***?

Doug

02-09-2003, 04:52 PM

"he will EARN his TRIDENT in May..."

get pin, earn trident, I think we all knew what i meant Doug! Why do you always feel the need to correct every little teeny thing? i think you like to make yourself feel important. i dont know you, but i looked at your profile and saw that you are 26 years of age. Just 3 years older than myself, but you sure seem to think that you know it all about being a SEAL. I want to point out that just because you are a SEAL it doesnt mean that you know everything there is to know about being a SEAL. I'm not a SEAL, but even I know that. Some people are just very well read Doug, some people who arent SEALs do know a lot about SEAL life Doug. I think you need to come down off your high horse.

All right - obviously you don't know jack **** . Shut your motuh because you do NOT know what you are talking about. Your coments are consistently contradictory. Shut up and leave the site like you said you were going to. I have been with the Teams, so yes I know a hell of a lot more than you who has NO actual afiliation with them! Shut your mouth...people like you make me sick!

Also, how do you get off insulting the entire United States of America Navy! The guys in the fleet do jus as much a part protecting this country as guys in the Teams. You are an ignorant self-centered know it all little *****. Enough said.....

Wetwash

02-09-2003, 05:04 PM

Watch your blood pressure Doug... Don't let this arrogant idiot bother you any more. I cannot believe she is a Team wife, or if she is will remain so.

A62

02-09-2003, 06:13 PM

I just feel that i deserve more than to have to kiss everyone else's *** just because they are of higher rank.

What makes you so special? what is your degree in? why is it you should not have to Kiss *** like everyone else in the world.

In general, the military life would just not be for me

I agree wholeheartedly. You need to get out.

I would go crazy having to call people sir or ma'am all the time.

I feel bad for your husband, you will be a career albotross around his neck, in anything he attempts. You do need some maturity.

A62 out

navarch

02-09-2003, 06:18 PM

02-09-2003, 06:50 PM

Below is FroggyWife's post from higher up - I am only reposting it so everyone will know what she said in case she decides to delete the first one.

All i know is I would be horrified if my husband didnt make it through BUD/s and ended up on the fleet. Those people are white trash and ghetto and i would not want to be associated with them by any means! I am just glad that in his community the enlisted people are college educated like he is. And dont you worry, he'll get his pin. As far as I'm concerned you all crossed the line when you judged me and felt the need to make rude comments about everything I said. Now it's just my turn.

"I think you need to realize that the title of this forum is "Ask A SEAL" not "Ask a SEAL-Hopeful's wife."

I have the right to say whatever i want. I know what i'm talking about, in fact I'm probably more up to date on my info than most of you.

"Do NOT, I repeat do NOT offend her or anyone else that you dont know about on this site again!"

Perhaps you lovely people should take your own advice (;

"So the officers that QUIT in my BUD/S class were more ambitious than me and the other enlisted men that graduated with me and became SEALs. Even the officers that scored lower than me on Academic tests - they were more intellectual than me."

At least they have plenty of other options and wont get stuck out on the fleet. I can tell you that any enlisted guy with a degree that quit BUD/s turned in an officers package faster than any of your heads will spin because they didnt want to get stuck working with stupid people.

"I dont know where your from, but a college degree does NOT make you more intelligent or goal-orieted!"

Keep telling yourself that.

Boatdrivers_Babe

02-09-2003, 07:20 PM

First, froggywife, I take back everything I ever said about you having a good head on your shoulders. You show a terrible lack of judgment here by your first reply and then continue to illustrate your lack of judgment throughout your responses. As Doug stated, you contradict yourself.

I am disappointed in you and ashamed of you.

I would be horrified if my husband didnt make it through BUD/s and ended up on the fleet. Those people are white trash and ghetto and i would not want to be associated with them by any means!

Hmmm, therefore, if your husband does end up in the fleet, that makes you white trash and ghetto by association?

PJ,

Look at froggywife's writing style as well as attitude, methinks she resembles yet another wife whose hubby was "almost a SEAL." Any guesses, and the first two don't count? lol

v/r
BB

froggywife

02-09-2003, 07:48 PM

LOL, it's amazing how angry people can get on the internet. Why would you let me get you so mad?? You dont know me and I dont know you! Dont hate.

SeaHawk123

02-10-2003, 12:28 AM

Froggywife.....

For one thing you never should have put Froggy in front of wife
because you aren't a Froggy wife as of yet!!!! Another thing
is it sounds like you only married your Hubby because you
thought he was going to be a SEAL. Now you are sayiong
if he doesn't make BUD/S he is going to be associated
with white trash and ghetto guys....... Get a life
would you.!!!!!! I bet your Hubby doesn't even know
everything you been saying on this site!!! You sure as
Hell aren't supporting him in anyway. You are a
Disgrrace to all the Frog Wifes out their !!! You also
are a ***** and give us good Lady's a bad name
with all the other guys!!!!!!!!

~~~~~LadyHawk~~~~~

tvlr

02-10-2003, 05:38 AM

All i know is I would be horrified if my husband didnt make it through BUD/s and ended up on the fleet. Those people are white trash and ghetto and i would not want to be associated with them by any means!

Lady,you have got your head so far up your *** you will probibly never see daylight. In addition to the quote above you said that if your husband went to the Fleet he would probibly be chipping paint.WOW!!! What confidence.

I suggest that before you mouth off about something you have no idea about, you do some research. You will find that it is the enlisted men and woman of the Fleet that maintain and/or operate the communications,radar,sonar,aircraft,missiles,etc.e tc.etc. Not bad for "white trash and ghetto"

As far as your remarks to PJ, BACK OFF!!! That lady is very well liked and respected here. You on the other hand are NOT. Maybe it would be best if you did what you said you would do. Leave............................

tvlr..............

rascal999

02-10-2003, 06:49 AM

I can feel the love. Can't we just all get along... ol ... People like her shouldn't bother you fellas. Ignorance is the best reason to laugh at someone on this planet. So just read what she said again and laugh at her ignorance.

02-10-2003, 07:15 AM

gmgfarrand

First I would like to apologize for all the crap your question created, although your question was not to blame. Don't let what happened here discourage you from asking more questions.

I'm as much to blame as anyone else because I allowed myself to defend the honor of those attacked instead of sticking to the subject. But you know what? I was proud to do it and will do it again. As will the others that choose to defend them too.

Anyway, my point is - hang in there and keep asking questions.

PJ

02-10-2003, 07:23 AM

Ignorance is the best reason to laugh at someone on this planet. So just read what she said again and laugh at her ignorance.

Good point Rascal but in this case it wasn't ignorance - it was outright disrespect. And not only did she disrespect the US Navy & the enlisted SEAL and everyone in the world that doesn't have a degree, she disrespected her own hubby, if she is in fact married. The only people that can be happy here are the white trash and getto guys cuz they can rest easy knowing she will "never" be one of them.

(sorry I couldn't resist)

PJ

Wazz

02-10-2003, 07:59 AM

Froggywife, did you really mean this?: All i know is I would be horrified if my husband didnt make it through BUD/s and ended up on the fleet. Those people are white trash and ghetto and i would not want to be associated with them by any means! I am just glad that in his community the enlisted people are college educated like he is. And dont you worry, he'll get his pin. As far as I'm concerned you all crossed the line when you judged me and felt the need to make rude comments about everything I said. Now it's just my turn.
------------------------------------------------

After High School I had the choice of College or eat. I chose eat. Plus there was the thing about the draft and the tradition of young men performing at least one gig of military service. Then, my initial time in the Navy was in the Fleet. Cruisers and Oilers. Then the Frogs. Three gigs in Korea.

You have named me, now stay with it. You know nothing about the fleet, know nothing about a Trident SEAL or Frog. You are the one who steps into a congenial crowd and turns the crowd into a spiteful, bad-naming group. Best you have your husband's Classmates over for a review of your posts so that they may know what to expect from your husband when they get into a firefight and your husband decides his wife has the better combat phylosophy, of which she has had no experience nor ever will have.

gmgfarrand

02-10-2003, 08:05 AM

Froggywife:
"All i know is I would be horrified if my husband didnt make it through BUD/s and ended up on the fleet. Those people are white trash and ghetto and i would not want to be associated with them by any means!"

Ok, that statment is just wrong.
I am a White-Collar worker in the I.T. industry, I grew up in a blue-collar family, and was out to the fleet twice.
What does that make me ??
What do you consider to be "white trash" ?

I take it your husband hasn't been on a cruise yet, and unless you know what you are talking about, I wouldn't call anyone names.

I had really good friends who were ship-bound, some of them are doctors and lawyers now. Not bad for being trash and ghetto.

Being a fleet returnee doesn't make me "white trash" it just gives me more experience and more of a drive to make it through BUD/S than a "boot-camp."
Alot of times, you are considered a "boot-camp" until you have been on a 6 month cruise.

Wetwash

02-10-2003, 08:47 AM

When I went into the Teams you were required to have a year in the Fleet before you could try for UDTra. I personally thought that was a good policy..You had to know what being a real sailor was berfore you went into the Teams. I did a full tour in the Navy on a ship before i went in the Teams and am proud of every day of it..
White Ghetto Trash Wetwash

froggywife

02-10-2003, 09:39 AM

Well folks, i think things in the fleet have changed. I first heard my husbands friends describe a lot of Navy people this way and then i saw for myself that it was kind of true. I see so many enlisted females 20 and under who get pregnant, that's trashy. Why be in the Navy if you are just constantly going to spread your legs and get pregnant? How does that help the Navy it doesn? I have seen and heard of so many of these people cheating when their SO goes away, trashy. And you are all just naive if you think they joined the Navy to serve their country. Many of them do it because they simply have nothing else to do. They'd be working at Mcdonalds if it werent for tha Navy in many cases. Free medical, dental, clothing, housing and a steady paycheck is not a bad deal for an 18 or 19 yr old right out of high school is it? If you ask me i think many people take advantage of the Navy-especially the girls who get pregnant. A lot of my husbands good friends ended up not making it though BUD/s. They were shipped off to different places and every weekend they call and say how miserable they are because they work with stupid people on the fleet. So i only go by what i hear and see. And there is a difference between an enlisted SEAL and a regular enlisted sailor.

tukie

02-10-2003, 09:51 AM

I see so many enlisted females 20 and under who get pregnant, that's trashy.

FW I think you are taking something that is a personal issue, and confusing it with a military one...how many 20 year olds get pregnant not in the military...

And you are all just naive if you think they joined the Navy to serve their country. Many of them do it because they simply have nothing else to do. They'd be working at Mcdonalds if it werent for tha Navy in many cases. Free medical, dental, clothing, housing and a steady paycheck is not a bad deal for an 18 or 19 yr old right out of high school is it?

I also know that growing up is HARD...People make mistakes when they are young. What is wrong with grasping at straws (militarily) and learning about discipline, comraderie, and a sense of belonging...also learning and getting school paid for along the way...these people sound SMART to me...I know a lot who have turned their lives around this way....My dad for one. tukie

Moose335

02-10-2003, 12:01 PM

gmgfarrand

02-10-2003, 12:28 PM

That is a major decision there, i know you and your wife may have troubles but you seemlike you dont even want to try and stay with her through this, i know personally i would hate to see me wife to be leave me over the Navy even if her views are different.

Well, let me put it to you like this....
I have had the "urge" to re-enlist and goto BUD/S since 1994.
I have had many opportunites to quell that urge, but have had to pass them up due to the constant complaining.
I have been offered positions with the Local and State Police posts, and from US Customs.
I have passed up offers in my field that would have me making 3 times what I am making now.
I will wait no longer. If she wants to stay with me, she will. But she has already voiced that if for some reason I was drafted, she would divorce me. So Be It.

Besides, if I do not do all I can to attain my dreams, and regret not doing it for the rest of my life, how good of a man or husband could I possibly be ?

She sees the military alot like how FORGGYWIFE views the "fleet" sailors.
She has caused strife in my family which is not what is needed right now.

For example, my father was diagnosed with lung cancer last week, there is nothing the doctors can do and have given him only a few months, if that, to live.
We are having a family picture taken this week, and because my sister is in the photo, who my wife hates, my wife refuses to take part.

Anyway, I can always find another wife, you cannot get another sibling, and nobody will be able to take the pride I have in the military and the NAVY.

02-10-2003, 05:53 PM

froggywife

02-10-2003, 07:42 PM

If you have such a problem with my posts, then simply do not read them (:

DMANN

02-10-2003, 08:15 PM

If you have such a problem with my posts, then simply do not read them (:

We cant help it were all drawn to your lunacy. Oh and also you said that 18-19 year olds join the navy cause thay know thay would be a Mcdonalds other wise. WELL DUH if you would of read my other post you would of seen that people join for numerious reasons all are usually to make something of them selves.

froggywife

02-10-2003, 09:45 PM

Right, my lunacy, lol.

"WELL DUH if you would of read my other post you would of seen that people join for numerious reasons all are usually to make something of them selves."

well getting preggo at 19 sure aint helping one's self now is it...

copgirl24

02-10-2003, 10:09 PM

Everytime I think you couldn't possibly say anything dumber then the last time you spoke you go and prove me wrong. You don't need to be a military wife I hope your husband wakes up real soon. Better yet if you think you are so right why don't you show him this thread where you have completely shown your ***. I think you might be surprised by his response to it. And I really hope that no one in the Fleet that knows your husband and you find out what you think of them. I am sure you would not like the face to face contact I have no doubt you well receive.

P.S. to whom ever provides the face to face contact I will buy a ticket to attend. Price no object. LOL

Moose335

02-11-2003, 04:39 AM

Froggy, i am 17 years old, i will be 18 in april, i joined the navy last july and went into the Navy DEP.... and just recently i found out my fiance is going to have a baby in october, she is 17. I dont look at young people have babies as a problem i look at it as though they are responsible young adults getting ready to get their life started.... given we may not have planed to have a baby but we sure as hell are going to love it and provied for it the best possible, I am glad that i am in the navy and that i am going to have a child soon this is the begining of my life and my life is starting to look verry good to me.

so i guess it all boild donw to a matter of opinon on each subject.

Moose

A62

02-11-2003, 06:24 AM

my father was diagnosed with lung cancer last week, there is nothing the doctors can do and have given him only a few months, if that, to live.

GM,
Man, I am really sorry to hear about your dad. are you using a hospice? If not I strongly reccommend one. they are wonderful in helping in a very, very bad time. They take care of eveerything. They even helpwith counceling for caregivers and help even afterwards. I hope you are seeong ypur dad as miuch as possible. Last Memorial day my mom was diagnosed with cancer and given a "couple of months" to live. 6 days later she passed on. They have no idea how long. Again, I am really sorry. If you ever need to talk to a recently BTDT give me a holler. Or give BB a holler, she was gracious enough to help me then.
A62 out

NeverQuit

02-11-2003, 07:01 AM

i think PJ and Froggywife should fight... nah im just playing. it is ignorant people like FroggyWife that gives the human race a bad name. and what is so wrong with being ghetto? im ghetto! shiiiiiit... i would laugh, and God forgive me, but i will laugh if your man comes out with a stress fracture or some injury to prevents him from contiueing his training and he end up in fleet. that would be hilarious.

Wazz

02-11-2003, 07:38 AM

gmg
Give your Father as much attention as he can handle. I know this will stretch your limits on your time. But for the short perod, it will be worth it. And downstream, later, it will give you something to carry through for a long time to come.

I had to walk a dear friend through his last months. I was at his wedding. He and his wife stood up for mine, etc. etc. When he got the word of his cancer and 4-6 months to live he came to me. Not for pity or refuge, but for that comfort, but on his own terms. He used to come to my nearby home to hide out from the over abundance of friends that would visit him at his house. When he would come to my house I would put him on the patio and ask if he wanted company. What ever he answered he got.

Now that my friend is gone I know I did the best I could for him. It was a brick in my mortar of my own ability to give.

Boatdrivers_Babe

02-11-2003, 03:45 PM

Or give BB a holler, she was gracious enough to help me then.

GMG, seriously, if you need something e-mail me, my addy is on my profile. A62 is too gracious, he helped me through my mother's final illness and death at the same time as his father's. I also have extensive experience with dealing with family members with terminal (metastasized) cancer. In the past 2 years I've lost my father to colon cancer, my godmother to bone cancer and dealt with cancer treatment for at least 3 other family members. It is a hard road to that final door, but the passing through that door is gentle.

The best advice I got was from our base chaplain, Father Kuss (CDR Alan Kuss, if you're out there, thanks), talk to your dad, make sure there are no regrets and no unfinished business between you. Even talk about the things from childhood, ask about his life, whether he has any regrets. Listen to him because you won't be able to anymore.

v/r
BB

j_ertola

02-11-2003, 03:59 PM

but I seem to have problems with math, ALGEBRA to be specific.

I sucked at all math stuff in high school, went to BUD/s in 91', passed every test in BUD/s with no problem, got to the teams and passed Dive Supervisor no problem. It's all in how bad you want it. Listen in class and you will learn the material with no problems brother. Good Luck.

J

j_ertola

02-11-2003, 04:02 PM

well enlisted usually are dumber...i guess dumb is not a nice word to use, but most dont have degrees where officers do.

Get a clue, a degree means squat. In my second platoon we removed our officers during the work up due to their inabilities (stupidities). Just because someone gives you a peice of paper saying that you are smart does not make it true. (Look at our Prez.)

J
P.S. I thought this was ask a Seal, not ask a Seal's wife. Maybe we need a new topic. Ask a Seals Wife.

P.P.S. Why are the navy wifes arguing here? Thats great for people to see in the ask a Seal Forum, a bunch of wives being *****y. How did an acedemic question about BUD/s turn into a hen session? Think about it!!

J

froggywife

02-11-2003, 04:10 PM

"P.S. I thought this was ask a Seal, not ask a Seal's wife. Maybe we need a new topic. Ask a Seals Wife."

SEAL wives and future SEAL wives know their sh*t. This is our life too.

j_ertola

02-11-2003, 04:13 PM

What do you know about what acedemic requirements in BUD/s? Its not what do you think of the regular Navy. That a man asking advice about BUD/s, noy your worthless opinion.

J

froggywife

02-11-2003, 04:22 PM

Care to try that one again in English? Especially that last sentence....

naoscaire

02-11-2003, 04:23 PM

Guys guys guys, Let me explain The reason she thinks all enlisted people are dumb is because the enlisted man in her life was dumb enough to marry her in the first place.

Froggywife, open you mind woman, Dont judge us all by the idiotic mistake of an individual

sealpup121

02-11-2003, 04:30 PM

Vicariously living? Sorry lass, you have less than 50% of the knowledge to know what the life of a SEAL is like. Plus, because you will never deploy as a SEAL, nor train with them, you really have less than that. Although if your husband completes training and is assigned to a team, you may begin to know what a SEAL wife lives through. Until then you are a tadpolette.

bullskid

02-11-2003, 05:39 PM

Froggywife, young, as I read you. Read Socrates if you can, or have someone translate. You will find the answer to your mistakes. Come on, college graduate and all, you must realize B.S. = B _______ . To underestimate a class of people is ignorant. The enlisted men and women are the backbone of the Navy. Without their intelligence there would be no Navy. We each have special talents. You need life experience to learn not to make generalized statements and see people as individuals making contributions. Also, you hurt your husband talking about him so much, and how smart he is in this forum. Listen and learn, for awhile.

Bullskid, J.D.

Boatdrivers_Babe

02-11-2003, 06:59 PM

You need life experience to learn not to make generalized statements and see people as individuals making contributions.

Bullskid,

Good try, but this is one of those whom we call at our firm congenital idiots...further proof that Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection went awry. I give up on her.

BB

Wazz

02-12-2003, 11:04 AM

Ha! Tadpoleette. That's a good one. When Froggywife's husband graduates BUDS in May, then eventually ends up in a Team, then come the August Reunion Froggywife can go down to the Strand and co-mingle with the SEAL career wives. Froggywife can then tell them what it is all about. She can brief those souls that have only years of experience, to include having had their husband do a few tours of combat time. Froggywife can brief the old Frogs and SEALs on how it is. I know she knows because she said so.

froggywife

02-12-2003, 11:33 AM

That's right

j_ertola

02-12-2003, 11:40 AM

Froggywife, seems like your making lots of friends, now if your husband is lucky enough to graduate, the last thing a fng (fu***** new guy) needs is his know it all wife opening her trap. Things will be hard enough for him as a new guy, much less as a new guy with a flappy mouthed wife. The teams are full of silent professionals, and I have seen wives and girlfriends get their signifigant others in deep sh**. So when you pull your over inflated head out over your over streched a**, youll realize your are hurting your husbands dream. Officialls there is no "hazing" allowed, but boys will be boys, and loose lips sink ships. Stick to what you know!! (and thats NOT everything.)

J

froggywife

02-12-2003, 12:29 PM

I really dont care about making friends on the net. And in real life i'm very quiet.

j_ertola

02-12-2003, 12:39 PM

Havn't you figured out that team guys read this, these are the people you should want on your side, the -people that your usband will soon be having to work with. Do you want his time at work to be spent explaining your idotic comments to everyone. Word gets around, the teams are a small community. You should try to make your future an accpted future, not one of isolation from the other team wives and such. Grow up youngster.

J

lisa

02-12-2003, 12:59 PM

That's right

Guys, don't you see Froggywife knows all? When people are ignorant enough to truly believe they know everything about anything you shouldn't even waste your precious time trying to educate them. As a matter of fact didn't someone question her regarding her education since she is so quick to pass judgement on others? I don't believe she ever did respond to that line of questioning. What do you think she's hiding????? I just feel bad for her husband and any of his future SEAL Teammates.....that is if he earns his Trident. With support like Froggywife it will be tough.

BTW, I know this is "Ask A SEAL" not "Ask A SEAL's Wife"....I just couldn't stand by any longer without responding to her ludicrously. I apologize all.

SeaHawk123

02-12-2003, 02:00 PM

Froggywife......

1. you have called people in the Fleet white trash

2. you said that you are afraid if Hubby doesn't make it
into being a SEAL he will be with the White Trash

3. You took Froggywife as your name before Hubby became SEAL

What are you gonna do if Hubby doesn't make it as a SEAL may
have to change name....

To What well since he will be with the White Trash why not

WhiteTrashWife

Boatdrivers_Babe

02-12-2003, 02:17 PM

come the August Reunion Froggywife can go down to the Strand and co-mingle

Ok, Wazz, so long's PJ & I got dibs on our pound of flesh... and I got PJ's back. LOL (Printing admission tickets...I'm going to make my fortune on this one! *WEG*) <<stops, thinks>> Wait, I want to run the book on this one...more money!

BB

Wazz

02-12-2003, 03:31 PM

BDB
Way back I was displeased with Froggywife's comments. Especially the white trash and trailer trash job description. But now she has become one big joke. She should spread her husband's name around so they will know his private influense, especially when it comes time for a Team Mate to depend on the husband.

BDB, I offer you a front row seat to Froggywife's critiques in August at the Reunion. Why do they have Training Officrers and Instructors when the have Froggywife?

Ex-U.S. Navy where Froggywife or husband has never been before.

Ex-White Trash
Ex-Trailer Trash

02-12-2003, 06:38 PM

Ok, Wazz, so long's PJ & I got dibs on our pound of flesh... and I got PJ's back. LOL (Printing admission tickets...I'm going to make my fortune on this one! *WEG*) <> Wait, I want to run the book on this one...more money!

BB

Thanks for the back up BB, but I don't want any flesh from FroggyWife.
I got better things to do at the Reunion than waste my time on her.

02-12-2003, 06:54 PM

P.P.S. Why are the navy wifes arguing here? Thats great for people to see in the ask a Seal Forum, a bunch of wives being *****y. How did an acedemic question about BUD/s turn into a hen session? Think about it!!

j_ertola,

I know you have gotten past this and have been carrying on your own arguments with FroggyWife, but I do take offense at you thinking all this was was a "hen" session. I thought I was calmly defending everyone she was slaming including the US Navy, the fleet and the SEAL.
Maybe I was wrong. You deside.

PJ

j_ertola

02-12-2003, 09:38 PM

there are not even any active duty SEALs who post here.

Nor is your husband yet, remember that. I spent more time in the teams than your flimsy little marriage has lasted thus far. I don't recommend you **** talk the vets here, they paved the way for your husband to do what he is trying to do. You should also not use your husband like that, he isn't at the teams yet, and we will figure out who he is. He'll really enjoy the teams then, It's nice getting your *** kicked over and over because of your big mouthed wife. He doesn't know half the stuff he'll need to learn in the teams yet, and you only hinder him with your trashy attitude. I guess we j=know who the white trash really is. ask him what he'll do at a reunion when an old timer calls him on your bull **** . They watch and listen here. Get smart youngster.

J out

Mac679

02-12-2003, 10:38 PM

froggywife,
I think you have set an all time record for putting one's foot in their mouth in a single thread. I do find it funny that for a not even cherry wife you seem to "know" an awful lot about military life, the Teams, etc. Perhaps I should correct myself? You think you know a lot.
Of course keep in mind that all this and any following will be coming from an enlisted idiot ( who happens to have a 122 GT score-maxes at 135, 92 AFQT score-maxes at 99 ). I can only imagine the reaction I'll get when you find out I'm Army. Did I mention I'm Infantry as well, yep a bullet catching grunt... Gee, I must be stupider than Forrest f*cking Gump. But that's all because I don't have a piece of paper saying I spent four years at college, right? Funny how most of the guys in here would take those supposed dumb guys they serve with before they'd take a couple of brand new college graduates... Yeah that paper sure does mean alot... Funny how that officer's wife got snotty towards enlisted personnel and then you turned around and did the same damn thing to those without degrees. I spent two years at college before deciding it wasn't for me. I know many others that have attempted college to put it off for a later date. As a matter of fact most of my fellow soldiers tell me I should be an officer. But I guess I'm too stupid in your opinion cause I don't have a degree. Good thing that your opinion is about as important to me as used sh*tpaper.
You claim you don't care about making friends on the Net and that in real life you're very quiet. You might want to do that here too, because you obviously don't give a damn about your husband's possible career. You don't seem to realize that your actions and thoughtless gumflapping can and will affect your husband's military career. Think I'm BSing? Run up a sizeable credit card debt and see if it affects your husband? I bet his security clearance will come into question... UCMJ and regulations reach farther than you think or realize... Hopefully you'll wise up before you f*ck your husband's career. Am I making threats? No, I'm telling you what I know based on what I've seen in 2 years on Active Duty and being the son of a retired Army CW2.
No active SEALs eh? Yep, you're dense and blind as a bat-I can think of 4 of the top of my head.

Too Bad I Managed to Stay Civil ( But You're Not Quite Worth My Best Bitter Wit and Sarcasm ),
Mac679

Gokusfusion

02-12-2003, 11:29 PM

My husband knows about this board and he asked some people about it and they said it is filled with useless information and gossip.

But of course the board has some useless gossip on it, you are aboard.

According to the people that had checked out this board, there are not even any active duty SEALs who post here.

The people who checked the boards are DUMB.. I know of one active duty SEAL that post here now.....

sealpup121

02-13-2003, 01:43 AM

I really dont care about making friends on the net. And in real life i'm very quiet.

ahhhh now I see, vicariously living in a schizophrenic life on the web. No wonder I could not get a handle on her personality, she has a few.

SeaHawk123

02-13-2003, 05:11 AM

Ex-U.S. Navy where Froggywife or husband has never been before.

Ex-White Trash
Ex-Trailer Trash

Ahhhhh Wazz, Your the sweetest Ex-White Trash around ;)

~~~~~LadyHawk~~~~~

A62

02-13-2003, 05:13 AM

I just thought I would throw a little monkey wrench into the proceedings. I agree with Mac, I watched my mother perform the duties of a military officers wife for 26 years and let me tell you right now, if you are not sharp, your husband's career will suffer.

BTW, I was an Officer without a degree, hmmm, how did that happen? What does that make me? I now have a Masters degree, so I guess I'm not overly stupid (your definition). What is your education? You really do sound very young and rather immature and not very well read. Sorry.
A62 out

PS. I talk to Active duty SEALs, you know, the ones that have their Budweisers and have deployed with Teams or SDV, and guess what, they love to talk to the old timers, especially Nam Vets. So some of what these ol salts say must have some relavence. Maybe your ol man and his "people" don't know squat.

SeaHawk123

02-13-2003, 05:17 AM

filled with useless information

Well, YOU ARE WRONG on this because
I got a lot of usefull information for my son
who may end up being White Trash as
you think of them!!!!!

there are not even any active duty SEALs who post here.

Here you go again MRS KNOW IT ALL!!!

WRONG ON THIS ONE!!!!!!

White Trash MOM
~~~~~LadyHawk~~~~

naoscaire

02-13-2003, 06:48 AM

According to the people that had checked out this board, there are not even any active duty SEALs who post here.

The people who checked the boards are DUMB.. I know of one active duty SEAL that post here now.....

Hmmmm ... they guys that checked must have been enlisted *LOL*

j_ertola

02-13-2003, 11:34 AM

This is the most fun I've ever had me thinks.............

Doug

02-13-2003, 04:34 PM

My husband knows about this board and he asked some people about it and they said it is filled with useless information and gossip. According to the people that had checked out this board, there are not even any active duty SEALs who post here.

If your husband really said that, then HE is useless. Tell him to quit SQT now. *******s like that do not belong on the Teams. There are current active duty SEALs on this site (that have already EARNED their TRIDENTS - unlike your wanna-be husband). And if he says **** like that, I guarentee you that they do not want to serve by his side when stuff gets tough. SO if he really thinks that way, he does not belong in the Teams. Tell him to just quit now....

Wetwash

02-13-2003, 06:51 PM

lol I would say that " FW the Arrogant" has already started her Hubbies Career on a downhill slide...I have talked to Former AND active SEALs today that share Dougs opinion.

tukie

02-14-2003, 08:22 AM

As entertaining as all this is, I would suggest closing this thread.....It is just encouraging the bashing on both sides, and that is not what this is all about..(in my humble opinion). FW- I was a SEAL wife and didn't know most of what went on, I helped where I could and kept my mouth shut, where I couldn't.

Before my husband died of cancer, we videotaped everything he wanted to say to his kids and family in the future. About all the experiences he wanted to share, and all the problems his kids would face in the future, there is a video tape addressing that. He is not lost, and will never be forgotton. Maybe that would help with closure too big guy. It helps us. tukie

froggywife

02-14-2003, 04:07 PM

LOL, doug why would you call my husband a wannabe SEAL? obviously you were in the same position that he is in. And he will never quit. That is just a stupid comment. He's got more integrity than anyone I know. And I will never ruin his career. Not sure why that subject was even brought up. Doug you are an angry man.

perplexy

02-14-2003, 06:07 PM

this place reminds me of my high school years. Ahhh the memories...., gossiping, name calling, arguments over STUPID CRAP...Ya gotta love it.

Doug

02-14-2003, 06:09 PM

My husband is an enlisted person with a degree and so are a lot of guys in his BUD/s class.

So is he in BUD/S now or SQT?????? If your gonna make **** up, at least keep it consistent!

Doug

02-14-2003, 06:16 PM

A lot of my husbands good friends ended up not making it though BUD/s. They were shipped off to different places and every weekend they call and say how miserable they are because they work with stupid people on the fleet. So i only go by what i hear and see.

Well, damn your hubby is the FIRST and ONLY guy that graduated BUD/S and keeps in touch with guys who didnt make it through! Strange....

what BUD/S Class did he graduate from anyway...out of curiosity? Im sure you wont answer - because its all a lie - isnt it?