US Navy SEAL video games... is it just me?

[FutureSEAL2005]

Hello I am not a Navy SEAL yet, I still have 2 more years till i can prove myself. But is it just me that these U.S. Navy SEAL video games are a disgrace? i mean these SEALs spend alot of sweat and blood to become what they are, they have sacraficed their lives for people so they can live in peace. And now everyone can just play a game and have fun with the sacrafices they make everyday? there is nothing fun of a terriost killing a Navy SEAL, even if it is just a game. To me I think it is a sick thing, is it just me? or is this just wrong. If its just me id shut up, but please share your coments

[DMANN]

What are you nuts come on. I bet your upset about this issue cause you have SOCOM and you play as a SEAL but you always die well heres a tip your supposed to kill them first. I bet you were one of those few kids who never wanted to play dodge ball in school and now thats why its gone cause you felt you were being picked on.

[outdoorguy]

Well personally just to get my 2 cents here, I dont let the video game community get to me. Not only will you find Socom on PS2 and Navy SEALs (first person shooter on PC) but you will also find games with Marine Force Recon, Green Berets, SAS, Army Delta, CIA, and so on. Dont forget, even the Army came out with their own game and you can take either side so dont let it get to ya man, its just a game! Thanks and God Bless

[dangordon87]

Dont forget, even the Army came out with their own game and you can take either side

I believe your reffering to the game "Americas Army", and you can't take either side. You're ALWAYS an american soldier and the other guys are dressed up as bad guys.

They're just games and if you don't like them, don't play them. In games like GTA you kill cops, so should we ban that game too. Or how about space invaders? I mean, you kill aliens and they proably worked hard to become good aliens. And Mario brothers? where's his respect for science? the guy is killing walking mushrooms!

[i_wanna_b_a_SEAL]

Hey, I dont think there is anything wrong with modern military video games, I don't think any real SEALs are offended by them. They are just for fun. In fact, I know some people who were inspired to learn about SEALs becuase of the SOCOM game. I know SOCOM isn't a very very accurate portrayal of the life of SEALs, but if after alot of hard work maybe that person who was inspired by SOCOM will become a great SEAL. I don't see the harm in this.

[Gokusfusion]

Hello I am not a Navy SEAL yet, I still have 2 more years till i can prove myself. But is it just me that these U.S. Navy SEAL video games are a disgrace? i mean these SEALs spend alot of sweat and blood to become what they are, they have sacraficed their lives for people so they can live in peace. And now everyone can just play a game and have fun with the sacrafices they make everyday? there is nothing fun of a terriost killing a Navy SEAL, even if it is just a game. To me I think it is a sick thing, is it just me? or is this just wrong. If its just me id shut up, but please share your coments



Well SOCOM SEALs is a good game all out, just sloppy controls.. But I found the 20 minute documentary that was held on the game enjoyable and very interesting. It showed the true determination of SEALs and had actual interviews with SEALs and BUD/s students. I don't see anything wrong with it, but then again I am not a SEAL. SEALs helped design SOCOM for Playstation 2. I don't think they are offended by it. It's good that people reconize the skills and hard training SEALs go through.

[Wetwash]

My personal opinion is all the fascination with killing is a sick past time. I have seen enough real combat to realize that death is permanent. Video games have NOTHING to do ewith being a SEAL.. I have looked at the games and Played them.. There is NOTHING realistic about them.. Is simply killing and gore.

[Gokusfusion]

My personal opinion is all the fascination with killing is a sick past time. I have seen enough real combat to realize that death is permanent. Video games have NOTHING to do ewith being a SEAL.. I have looked at the games and Played them.. There is NOTHING realistic about them.. Is simply killing and gore


That's understandable. I have never seen live combat and can't possibly understand it. I know it's nothing to brag about or be happy with, but you got to do what must be done. I see your point about it being sick and nothing near real life SEALs.

[outdoorguy]

Dangordon87, Yes, sorry about the mix up there, I was getting my games confused lol. I play so many different ones.

[futhermucker]

I think videogames like SOCOM, GOHST RECON, and DELTA FORCE BLACK HAWK DOWN, are great ways to honor the men and women who serve our country.......The troops who die in video games are made up of polygons and pixels not flesh and blood.

[socomrules]

But is it just me that these U.S. Navy SEAL video games are a disgrace?


i personall enjoy these video games.while not that accurate u must remember that these are games. they have given me alot of info on how hard it is to be a SEAL.just because u suck at the games dosent mean u should take the fun out of it............just an opinion.

[Wetwash]

WEhy is this stupid thread on ASK A SEAL..This has to do with video games .. NOT SEALs

[Doug]

WEhy is this stupid thread on ASK A SEAL..This has to do with video games .. NOT SEALs


I concur. Lets keep this board for legitimate posts. Post all this "other" stuff under General Talk Forum. Anything is ok there. Thanks eveyrbody.......

[sirenx]

Just a tidbit of information for ya...real Navy SEALs participated in the creation of this game by suiting up with sensors that digitally recorded their movements while they performed the various maneuvers the game utilises. They were happy to do it and received new playstation II's for their efforts...some of these individuals love the hell our of their playstations so much so that many a riff has been created between the signifigant others and some of these Teams guys due to their obsessive playing. I haven't actually asked them what they thought about the SOCOM game itself but they weren't offended.

[Doug]

No offense meant here whatsoever (truly), but here is a tidbit of information for ya FROM a "real Navy SEAL".......


Just a tidbit of information for ya...real Navy SEALs participated in the creation of this game by suiting up with sensors that digitally recorded their movements while they performed the various maneuvers the game utilises.


That has nothing to do with the reality of the game. Just because they had a few SEALs get by a blue screen and low crawl, aim weapons, etc. does mean the game shows reality...



They were happy to do it and received new playstation II's for their efforts...


*lol* Why do you think they were happy to do it? Anyone is happy to do stuff that results in them getting free s**t. *lol*



some of these individuals love the hell our of their playstations so much so that many a riff has been created between the signifigant others and some of these Teams guys due to their obsessive playing.


That is their own problems for getting caught up in video games. I can't relate to that because neither I nor none of my teammates were ever into playing any kind of video games especially HOLLYWOOD games about SEALs.



I haven't actually asked them what they thought about the SOCOM game itself but they weren't offended.


I am NOT offended by the game at all. I don't really care about it. My point is that the game is FAKE, FICTION - not even close to reality. It is NOT how we operate. It should not be portrayed as reality. It is a bunch of guys in black garb running around killing people. Why the hell is that fun? There is NOTHING fun about combat.
NOTHING fun at all about having to take someone's life. In real life there are things that have to be done and we do it because we understand why and the consequences of not taking action. However, why the hell they make this game and GLAMORIZE a group of unorganized SEALs that enjoy running around killing people is beyond me. SEALs are commercialized way too much.

Sorry for my venting...I mean nothing personal to anyone at all (except the makers of these games and movies) that use what they THINK we do to make money off of. They use stories they hear of what they THINK we do just so they can cash in on some profit. Its ridiculous. So like I said I am NOT offended, I just think it is stupid and the gams is NOT even close to REALITY in the Teams. So if you want to be a SEAL because you like playing SOCOM US SEALs, do some research on what we really do. RECON is a key word here. RECON does not involve starting world war 3! It involves Out of Sight Lay Low! Do Not Be Seen. That is a CLOSER description of reality. But I guess that would not make a fun game - not enough death, right?

Which brings us back to my original point. THE TOPIC POST HERE IS "ASK A SEAL" NOT ASK A VIDEO GAMER! KEEP THE CHILDISH POSTS ABOUT GAMES OVER IN GENERAL TALK AND DONT CLUTTER THIS BOARD WITH THESE TYPE OF POSTS! SOME PEOPLE HAVE LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REALITY OF SEAL LIFE, WORK AND TRAINING, ETC. LET THOSE BE ASKED. KEEP THIS CRAP ELSEWHERE. PLEASE!!!!!!!

Thank You.....................

[Wetwash]

GREAT POST DOUG>>>It is amazing how for some people the computer games are reality.. COMPUTER GAMES WILL TEACH YOU NOTHING ABOUT BEING A SEAL>>

[sirenx]

Oh Doug do you really think that my post intended to compare some jackass video game with the reality of SEAL team operations? If you did then you assume a great deal. Yes you may be a real SEAL and of course you think this game is ridiculous because it is...I agree. However, SEALS much more experienced than you with alot more action under their belts participated in making this video game and were happy to get a brand new playstation II with games included for doing it. That is not my opinion it is fact.

Maybe you and your team mates don't spend time playing video games and that is in my opinion is great. i think they are a waste of time, ....I doubt that my friend and his buddies play SOCOM either...I mean why would they? but they do like to play other videos and some have done it to the point of pissing off a girlfriend or three more than a few times.

I do not support the glamorization of war or killing people and you can be damn sure that those I am speaking of do not either...but as with the general populace the guys on the Teams have varying opinions on the glamorization of what they do and whether it is right or wrong... I never asked and never heard what my friend or his buddies thought about SOCOM..frankly knowing him as I do I doubt he even thought about it at all..he came to terms with the overcommercialism of his job a long time ago. My only point in posting on this at all was tto answer the original posters question... no not all SEALs are offended by crap like SOCOM in fact seasoned frogs participated in it's creation and didn't care about it one way or another.
These are men who know all about the realities of war and might even have been one of the men who busted your *** in buds...I never even implied that that game had anything to do with reality and since i did not post the original thread I am not responsible for the placement of it. I think you just took the ooportunity to have yourself a soap box session...which is fine...your points are valid but they should not be directed at me or the post that i made.

One of the reasons I am a supporter of special forces is because when employed effectively they have the ability to avoid war and killing on a grand scale. Why you would think my post was some sort of advocacy for the game is beyond me but i hope this opportunity gave you a chance to get it out of your system. I hope so because the overwhelming amount of stupid crap in the world that is based on what you do and is completely unrealistic will not go away and as the need to recruit more like yourself increases so will the exposure of the Teams and the resulting commercial fodder that glamorizes what ever perception makes corporate america the most cash.

[Doug]

Oh Doug do you really think that my post intended to compare some jackass video game with the reality of SEAL team operations? If you did then you assume a great deal.


I asumed nothing. I was simply stating the NON-REALITY of the game for those who THINK it is reality. I do not know (nor do I care) what your personal perceptions of the game are. I was simply stating what the game is like. It was you that assumed I thought you had the idea that the game was reality. Some people think it is like real life when in fact it is NOT.

I joined the Navy and wanted to be a SEAL because I saw the movie Navy SEALs. That was my initial desire...then after the movie I looked into it all and saw what SEALs REALLY did. Then I wanted to do it even more. I was making a point to the kids that think it is real and want to be a SEAL because of it, to find out the reality behind it all first. Then take action...


Yes you may be a real SEAL and of course you think this game is ridiculous because it is...I agree.


Ok, that was my whole point...why this rebuttal if you agree.


SEALS much more experienced than you with alot more action under their belts participated in making this video game and were happy to get a brand new playstation II with games included for doing it. That is not my opinion it is fact.


In refernece to this quote, you crossed a line girl. You do NOT know me. You have no clue what I have participated in or what I have done and since specifics of what we do is not made public, how the hell do you know what your friends did? Just because they have more years in than me...does that make my perception of this game irrelevant. I do not want to bring up other names (and Im sorry for doing so here), but someone else who posted on this topic agrees with me and he has a hell of a lot more experience and been through a whole hell of a lot more under his belt than me and all your buddies put together. That is not MY opinion - it is fact.

So do not go around this board ASSUMING you know what I have done or what I am capable of. You have crossed a line there and that IS offensive. I mean no offense to you but what the hell makes YOU an authority to speak about my time in the Teams? Just cause you know a few Team guys. I know a few strippers, but I dont tell you about the fact and realities about your job and what your opinions should be about something (I read your profile).


but as with the general populace the guys on the Teams have varying opinions on the glamorization of what they do and whether it is right or wrong


I don't know anybody on the Teams that likes our job being "glamorized". What is the point...so the public can see it and get there own ideas of what we do? Much of the public believes most of what they read and see (tabloid magazines make lots of money on BS stories) - why would ANY of us want the American public to view us a group of guys that run around killing people. That is how we are "glamorized" by the entertainment industry. It is unfortunate but true...So I don't agree with the glamorization, but Im not trying to boycot it or anything. *lol* S**t I am a firm believer in the Constitution - I am not gonna try to stop them from doing what they want even though it is inaccurate.


he came to terms with the overcommercialism of his job a long time ago. My only point in posting on this at all was tto answer the original posters question... no not all SEALs are offended by crap like SOCOM


*LOL* It did not take "coming to terms with the overcommercialization" of our job. *lmao* It is a fact - we all live with - big deal. I was just trying to explain the FACTS to the kids that play these games so they know. My 15 year old brother plays the game and loves it - but he knows damn well that it is ALL ficiton. My original point was to let the poster know that this does not belong under this Forum. ASK A SEAL. geesh, how many times must we say it??? I dont think anyone is "offended" by it. just said its dumb.


These are men who know all about the realities of war and might even have been one of the men who busted your *** in buds...


So are you implying (im NOT assuming - im asking) that I do not understand the realities of combat? Do you think you know more about BUD/S and combat and the realities of it all than I do? Watch what you say and think about your first-hand knowledge of the topic. I was a SEAL (FACT). I know about combat (and we will leave that one at that)(FACT). So just because you know a SEAL that was an instructor does not make you an authority on the subject. Again I could revert to your old "job", but I won't. I am not an authority on it and I dont care either. That is not the issue here.


I think you just took the ooportunity to have yourself a soap box session...which is fine...your points are valid but they should not be directed at me or the post that i made.


First of all, I was not having a "soap box session." My reply was not directed at you. This one is, but the above was for the general population of those who read these boards. Not one individual. So I do apologize if it seemed like I was directing accusations in your direction. It was meant generally to cover alot of assumptions that may have been made from the entire thread.


I hope so because the overwhelming amount of stupid crap in the world that is based on what you do and is completely unrealistic will not go away and as the need to recruit more like yourself increases so will the exposure of the Teams and the resulting commercial fodder that glamorizes what ever perception makes corporate america the most cash.


Ok, so the point here is we agree. I think that is cleared up now. Lets not turn this into a ***** session about who knows more about what. I have no "problems" with you personally so Im not trying to throw cheap shots at you. Im just stating my case. I aplogize for any cheap shots you feel I threw. I do NOT mean to offend you. Just had to make my point crystal clear and put everything into perspective about where these comments are coming from and what basis these comments come from.

And of course we go back to my first intital response again...............I dont even need to repeat it, but - keep this crap over in General Talk Forum not ASK A SEAL. Please............................................ .................................................. ....

*LOL* Ok, Im done venting.....go ahead with your response. I know its coming...........................

[Wetwash]

Sirenex..The name of this Thread is Ask A SEAL..Not a woman who associates with SEALs. Doug and I and a few other SEALs have worked very hard to create a professional, accurate,helpful area here for young folks to get truthful information about SEAL Team..GAMES are not reality. If you want to promote video games about whatever your expertise is .. Please take it to the GENERAL Talk Lounge. You are Female..Doug is a SEAL...If you would like to check some SEALs that know what combat is all about .. Check with Doug or I.. we would be happy to explain reality to you.

[sirenx]

Look it is really quite simple. You formatted a reply to specific quotes to my thread. You did not quote anyone else and your replies were off topic to my original statements. you chose to flex your credentials as if that were necessary to understand a ridiculously mundane subject such as the one in question (like an Mit professor explaining the plumping of a ball park frank) as well as questioning my ability to understand the most basic of human (SEAlLor not) emotions ie were they happy to do it? or were they not? you are damn right i am going to respond to that. your whole ensuing thread was total overkill. One does not need to have actual combat experience on a SEAL team to understand that this game is not reality. The only need a modicum of intelligence and the ability to pay attention. When you overstate your qualifications on a matter like this and do it in a manner that treats the person who's thread you are quoting as some sort of moron that can't possibly fathom this topic because she hasn't been in a two way fire fight you are going to get a response. if you weren't directing your comments to me then don't structure your response in such a way as to imply it.

I did not at any time suppose to know what you are capable of or what you have done...it ws not necessary to do so and you went way over the top on that. I read your profile as well doug and it states that you are 26 years old...i am speaking of men who are at least 8 years older than you that began their career rather young. Because of this and my statement that they "might " have even busted your *** in buds you felt you needed to ask me if I thought you did not understand the realities of combat and if I thought that i knew more about it than you. You are making apples out of oranges here. I never claimed to know more about soemthing than another person if I have never done that something before in my entire life. i like to win my arguments or at least make an intelligent attempt while trying.

You did indeed bring up my having been a stripper as well, as if it had anything at all to do with this debate that YOU gave birth to. my initial response on this thread was directed to the individual that started it and he asked a very clear question and asked for opinions. he was obviously unaware that real SEALs participated in the making of this game he found so abhorent and seemingly directly insulting to SEALs themselves. You were the one who chose to respond touting your credentials and quoting me in your text while ranting about your own agenda as if it had something to do with mine. As far as the placement of this thread I will once again state...I DID NOT START IT OR CHOOSE IT'S PLACEMENT. IF IT MEANS SO DAMN MUCH TO YOU WHERE IT IS POSTED THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE MOVED IT YOURSELF IN THE FIRST PLACE.

And to wet wash...man i respect ya and what you have done but if you are going to tell me how it is then pay attention and get it right. i did not at ANY TIME say that this game had even the slightest amount of merit. I did not at anytime claim knowledge of combat or claim that having some SEAL friends made me know anything other than that they had a good time helping to make the game and liked playing playstations and didn't get offended by the content of the game itself as the original poster had asked about. All the rest of it is a bunch of misinterpreted BS that argumentitavely speaking was like shooting a rodent with an elephant gun.....I am done here and quite frankly all the extraneous unnecessary arguing has me needing some quiet time in my bath tub where the only frogs are the rubber kind I can squirt you with should you track me down and mess with me again...i warn you I have a deadly aim and calgon bubble bath really stings.

[FutureSEAL2005]

im really sorry about the section i posted this in, wont happen agian. But i still am going with my beliefs, no i havent played socom though i seen a friend play it i am not a fan of that many video games. Someone mentioned that this is a great way of honoring the SEALs. This really is a great way of honoring them? beacuse it revived you from your bordem? i honor SEALs for my freedom they fought for not for a game that is made after them.

[Boatdrivers_Babe]

And to wet wash...man i respect ya and what you have done but if you are going to tell me how it is then pay attention and get it right


Siren, remember this well. My bro DID get it right. He stated that the forum is entitled "Ask a SEAL, not ask women associated with SEALs." He actually put it rather politely. He could have reduced himself to name calling. He didn't. Respect that. And respect Doug's experience too.

I don't often post here, but for items like the person looking for a volunteer position so as to support our personnel. This is a rare exception.

As for whether this topic should be in a forum other than this, perhaps so, unless the person who posted was genuinely looking for opinions from the real operators only.

[sirenx]

Prior to that he and Doug stated that this thread did not belong in this forum and should be in general. Now that there is a skirmish it belongs back in in ask a SEAL. in order to support their statements. What I stated in my initial response to the original poster was not my opinion it was " an interesting tidbit of information" that he was not aware of and had not been brought up once by the men posting prior to me. Why it was a response that was chosen to flame I have no idea I claimed no special Knowledge of anything and did not deserve to be smoked like that.

The need for credentials to offer up some basic information related to a topic thread is just ridiculous. I like Doug he is a stand up guy and of course Wet Wash can yell at me as much as he wants and he will stay someone I admire. Despite the fact that I feel that way I am going to defend myself ,if i am attacked unfairly ...If it makes me unpopular so be it.

[Doug]

Ok, ok, ok. Now this is getting a little out of hand. Everyone's opinions have been stated and we all know how everyone feels on this topic. Who's right, who's wrong?...who cares. We all are. We are all entitled to our own opinions.

The only FACT that remains is we don't need these type of posts posted in ASK A SEAL. That was the entire idea behind what Wetwash and I were trying to convey. Nothing else. So let us allow all the other crap on here to die out and fade away. Let's not start a pissing contest over a video game. *LOL*

Sirnex, I have no problems with you. In fact, I have no problems with anybody on this site (well, except for a few). But they mostly disappear rather quickly anyway. *lol* I'd like to keep it that way. Therefore, this will be my last post under this specific topic as further debate is not necessary and would not serve any purpose anyway.

So if anyone was offended, I apologize. Now please let's allow this to die out and continue on with more relevant posts, especially under the ASK A SEAL forum.

Thank you everybody. Lets move on.......