I'm not hear to fight, just hear to support women SEALS

[ArcticSeaWolf]

Women have the same rights and if you all so pro. you can handle working with a girl. It seems all think Women belong at home, Sorry babes Us high heel brods can fight just as good! If you can't handle working with a women as a seal you no seal in my book, you are NOTHEN but a pantywaist!

My 2 cents

[Elwood2020]

I am not here to fight either, but in my opinion, what you just said was disrespectful. Its not right to call the SEALs on this messageboard, or SEALs in general pantywaists because some of them dont want to work with women. You should NEVER call a SEAL a pantywaist because you obviously have no idea how hard it is to obtain that trident. And no Iam sorry, but the discovery channel doesnt show you all of BUD/s so dont think you know the complete story. There are SEALs and other teams out there risking their necks fighting for us, so you and I can have the luxuries we have now. Iam sorry to break it to you, but women will probably never serve on the SEAL teams, so stop wasting yours and our time.

[DMANN]

HAHAHAHA

Us high heel brods can fight just as good

HAHAHAH yeah right i would deck you square in your face and i guarantee you you wouldnt get up. Theres a reason our parents told us not to ever hit a woman its because 90% of woman are "WEAK" And in no way would i actually deck you or any other woman im just proving a point.

But i swear if the Navy is going to allow woman into the SEAL program i hope thay do it before i join cause i definetly wont be joining. But thankfully i dont see that happening anytime soon.


Im curious your so bad and all how many pull ups can you do.
How many push ups can you do.
How fast and far can you run.
When you last shot a gun did it pop your shoulder out or give you a black eye.
Can you climb a rope. (probably not) have yet to see any even attempt.

Yeah but you can do it though demi moore did it so you can too. HAHA

[Gokusfusion]

If you can't handle working with a women as a seal you no seal in my book, you are NOTHEN but a pantywaist!


A SEAL could care less about rather or not if he is a SEAL in your eyes. He knows what he has accomplished and knows things are easier said than done. You are really being disrespectful to SEALs now.

[ArcticSeaWolf]

Seals sould work with anyone and at anytime...Including women!

As for that guy that want to deck me...Well, I'm brown belt in judo(Japaness Karate). Personaly i can can you on your can!

Yes! I shot a few guns in the past..The last time was deer hunting in 1999...Did bust my collor bone...Had rafle resting in wrong spot..My fault.....But haven been out sents.. busy!

I can do 100 push ups in 1/12 mins amd 98 sit ups in 2mins.....Little out shape but I can pass for basic traing in the navy.

I been clocked on Animal Control Duty in chase of stay cat at 30miles per hour less then 10 secs. That when I was 20..Haven't ran that fast in a while....I haven't tryed !

I can lift 278lbs ease at the first shot and work my why to 500lbs! I think I can do more!

My famuily stated that have a strong will, spirit and very hard to brake down...They even joked at X-mas to the relives that not even BUDS can brake me down easy...They said I end up DEAD then be defeated! You know what they are right! You think like the rest the women heard you slowly broke down, I will leave...Sorry you can try it all and I won't leave in till you SEALS understand Women should be allowed in the seals!

Yes! Some you seals are pantywiasts if you can't handle women being a seal! What are you worried that our bras and thongs will get in your way??? Or worried that(I hate be blunt sorry) that if female seal comes into heat, all you male seals have a proublm with it.......Sorry, I know 2 girls that will gave up having kids to have both there uertuas removed to be seals...I myself won't do it... because I told them that's plain stupied.

They also agree a Navy Women should start an ALL WOMEN Seal team...Even if they have own undercover operation of Women Seals! I heard throw a friend there might be such a thing.. **** , I wanted be the first!

I ordered some Navy Seal Books and Training stuff to see the inside scoop on Seal Training! If there going be any Women Seal Team..It will have to wait after I go to the Navy.. I fisnish few projects I have going first and that be few years and Well need my degee first..I have one intill I get My A.A

[Elwood2020]

I guess it just dont sunk it yet. Dere aint gowna be no woman SEAL team up in dis here Navy. Now for the translation so everyone else can understand what I said. I guess it hasnt sunk in yet, there will not be a women SEAL team in the Navy. Theres no way you can be a SEAL because you dont even respect them. Like I said before, they are out there right now risking their asses so you and I can sit here in our nice little houses on our nice little computers arguing over how they carry out operations. And they are NOT going to change it. The reason SEALs are so successful, is because they have been following a plan for years now that brings them their success. When something works, you STICK WITH IT. Your wasting your time. I would just like to apologize to everyone on this board for these little outbursts. Even though Iam not a SEAL, becoming a SEAL is something I take very seriously, and the way our friend talks about them is with complete disrespect. She probably thinks becoming a SEAL is as simple as putting in an application at McDonalds.

[nkro]

I can lift 278lbs ease at the first shot and work my why to 500lbs! I think I can do more!


EWW, can you grow a beard too? How about chest hair?


Yes! Some you seals are pantywiasts if you can't handle women being a seal!

I think its more like " the women can't handle being a SEAL" (not the furry little creature that lives in the sea)

[Gokusfusion]

As for that guy that want to deck me...Well, I'm brown belt in judo(Japaness Karate). Personaly i can can you on your can!


You are abusing your karate teachings.. In karate you are not supposed to use it unless you have to. You go around bragging about how much of a bad ***** you are. I agree you are a *****, but you definatly aren't a bad ***. You fall in with the female dogs.

My famuily stated that have a strong will, spirit and very hard to brake down...They even joked at X-mas to the relives that not even BUDS can brake me down easy...They said I end up DEAD then be defeated! You know what they are right! You think like the rest the women heard you slowly broke down, I will leave...Sorry you can try it all and I won't leave in till you SEALS understand Women should be allowed in the seals!


"Sniff, sniff. I smell **** ."

Yes! Some you seals are pantywiasts if you can't handle women being a seal! What are you worried that our bras and thongs will get in your way??? Or worried that(I hate be blunt sorry) that if female seal comes into heat, all you male seals have a proublm with it.......Sorry, I know 2 girls that will gave up having kids to have both there uertuas removed to be seals...I myself won't do it... because I told them that's plain stupied.


Bull **** again..


I ordered some Navy Seal Books and Training stuff to see the inside scoop on Seal Training! If there going be any Women Seal Team..It will have to wait after I go to the Navy.. I fisnish few projects I have going first and that be few years and Well need my degee first..I have one intill I get My A.A


Bull **** once again.

[Talls]

As for that guy that want to deck me...Well, I'm brown belt in judo(Japaness Karate). Personaly i can can you on your can!


First off, learn to spell. Second off stop making yourself sound like an idiot. NEVER EVER assume you know more than a stranger does. How do you know he isn't a 4th degree blackbelt in 4 different arts? The answer: you don't so keep your mouth shut.


My famuily stated that have a strong will, spirit and very hard to brake down...They even joked at X-mas to the relives that not even BUDS can brake me down easy...They said I end up DEAD then be defeated! You know what they are right! You think like the rest the women heard you slowly broke down, I will leave...Sorry you can try it all and I won't leave in till you SEALS understand Women should be allowed in the seals!


Your family said it, wow it must be true. Here is my advice listen less to what your family thinks about you, for they are somewhat partial. Point Two: How many of your family members have been to BUD/s? Anyone? because if not we don't give a **** about their opinion on your potential.


I can lift 278lbs ease at the first shot and work my why to 500lbs! I think I can do more!


Almost every man I know can do an additional 100 pounds or more at the MINIMUM. I can only imagine what SEALs can do. So you don't stack up.


Yes! Some you seals are pantywiasts if you can't handle women being a seal! What are you worried that our bras and thongs will get in your way??? Or worried that(I hate be blunt sorry) that if female seal comes into heat, all you male seals have a proublm with it.......Sorry, I know 2 girls that will gave up having kids to have both there uertuas removed to be seals...I myself won't do it... because I told them that's plain stupied.


Have you ever been near a SEAL? Ever talk to one? Well if so did you go away with the feeling they were a "pantywaste"? These men are remarkable in what they do. You criticize them like you have a **** ing clue what you are talking about, and then think that YOU have the right to say what the standards should be changed to. For future reference, we don't care what you think is wrong with the world, it ISN'T A FAIR PLACE. So do less talking and more not being so damn stupid.

[outdoorguy]

ArcticSeaWolf, Im understanding about 50 % of what your saying and I'm not trying to put you down or anything, but damn girl, you gotta work on that spelling and sentence structure. Its really hard to understand what your posting. Anyways, I think you should probably drop the pantywaist thing and any other disrespectful comments you have. There isnt a SEAL on this site that could change the law to give you the chance to go to BUD/s. What I would recommend is start by writing someone in DC. LOL, have a good day and God Bless!
P.S. Do yourself a favor and go take the ASVAB. Make sure you can pass it with the required scores before you even THINK about trying to become a SEAL. ;)

[RPBurns]

I see what your getting at, but being an *** about it won't get you anywhere. I'm sure there are plenty of women who meet SEAL qulifications, but that doesnt' change the current rules.

FYI: Judo is a watered down form of Jujitsu and should not be used to threaten people with as it would be rather ineffective against other forms of martial arts.

[RoninSamurai]

SeaWolf,

You never bothered to refute (argue against) my post on your original topic. So I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you didn't read it because you were making moonshine or something. I'm a nice guy though, so I'll restate it for you. If you can argue against this in a way that shows you're smarter than the oppossum you ate for breakfast this morning than hell I'll do everything I can to help you on your quest for a SEAL career.

Here goes:

First point,

I'd really like to see any woman fighting for the rules to be changed so that they have to sign up for the selective service before they petition for the right to join ANY elite infantry unit. you people just want to go right to the top without having to do any of the... how should I say this, nonglamarous work. You want equal rights, sign up for the draft.

Second point,

My wife, my mother, my sister, hell any of my female family and friends if you ask me if I'd be happy letting them see what men see during war and the answer would be NO. Women shouldn't have to deal with that kind of thing. That's what men are for.

Third point,

Forget every other thing I've said, if you can successfully argue this point. "if combat effectiveness is DIRECTLY tied to morale and an overwhelming majority of the active SEALs have in no uncertain terms stated that they will NOT operate with a woman then (here's the million dollar question) HOW DO WOMEN NOT EFFECT MORALE IN A NEGATIVE MANNER? You see, part of being a SEAL is knowing that the guy next to you is able to do his job and never having to question that. If women hurt the Team by being there then they shouldn't be there. How are you doing your job if the guy next to you and all the other guys are always questioning your qualifications?

Life isn't fair, deal with it.

[lauren78]

It is somewhat sexist that women arent even given a chance of at least trying BUD/s. I dont think i feel that women should be allowed to be SEAL/s, but I think they should at least be given the chance to go to BUD/s. And then if they perform well there and do EVERYTHING that the men can do in the same amount of time (no shortcuts) then why shouldnt they be SEAL/s? Surely there must be some gal out there who can do everything the boys can do. I used to think, oh well women are probably too emotional to be SEAL/s, but who am i to say that? there are a lot of tough women out there who can do anything a man can do. So my opinion is that women should at least be given the chance to go to BUD/s.

[gymmer13]

Hey there... I used to be just like you...I used to think women should be allowed in the SEALs also...
Well maybe not just like you, I wasn't as much of a ***** about I just inquired. But like you I could make it past the qualifications


I can do 100 push ups in 1/12 mins amd 98 sit ups in 2mins.....Little out shape but I can pass for basic traing in the navy.


Dude, I am a gymnast right, all of the girls I work out with can do more than this. This doesn't really mean anything. Just think of sitting there for about 15 at least doing flutter kicks while your instructors tell you how to do the next activity... I know for a fact I couldn't do that. I mean , you may be "tougher" than me, but I couldn't do that. Even though I can do better than you in push ups and sit ups... (I can do 85 sit ups in 1 minute, so ha!) I don't think there would be any way in hell that I could make it through BUD/s. And if you even try to tell me it's because I'm a ***** or something, you are wrong. I have probably seen more stuff than you can even imagine.


Yes! Some you seals are pantywiasts if you can't handle women being a seal! What are you worried that our bras and thongs will get in your way???


uuummmm....this one just makes me laugh...I can just see a Navy SEAL running around in a thong...lol...I don't think the guys are worried about that. But there is some truth. Women in the military have a requirement that they have to take showers every so often (I don't remember the correct amount of days) If you are in BUDs and you don't have anywhere to take a shower like you have to, they will have to come pick you up, drive somewhere you can and then drive you back. You can only miss a certain amount of days before you are dropped.
I don't understand why people don't want to be in the infantry before becoming "Elite"... See if you could handle being in the front lines as a grunt before trying to become an elite soldier.
Being strong is only half of BUDs training you have academic courses too.
And if you continually spell and use your grammar like you do, I don't think you will pass. I mean come on. You say you're over twenty, I am 15 and I write better than you do.
Well this is just my "2 cents worth"...But it makes sense doesn't it??

~gymmers

[Nessa]

gymmers: thank you for pointing that one out. I have yet to completely translate what she said.

Arctic: I'm a woman in the Navy and I have played with the SEALs on a few training exercises. you have no idea what you would be getting yourself into. I don't care how bada$$ you think you are. and coming on this site and being direspectful to everyone is so completely wrong. "there are a few things you want to do first"? well I don't see you standing up to fight for this country right now. and frankly I don't ever see it happening. I'm thinking you're just on this site to cause trouble and brag. until you learn a little respect i'm going to suggest you just drop off the planet for a while.

[outdoorguy]

Is there a front line (grunt) rate in the Navy?

[lauren78]

you're wrong gymmer, you are a b*tch

[fish78]

...I can just see a Navy SEAL running around in a thong...

~gymmers


Thongs are no longer authorized...made too many Marines horny.

[Gokusfusion]

I can lift 278lbs ease at the first shot and work my why to 500lbs! I think I can do more!



Come on guys, shes just talking about lifting herself out of bed every morning, or off the couch where she passed out with the fritos. Don't forget to change last weeks tampon. I hope the string didn't break. I'd hate to be the man with the jaws of life...

[Swimmer2004]

Its not possible for you to be here and support female SEALs, there are none, never will be. I know women in the military and I have yet to meet one that has WANTED to serve in a combat unit. Let's analyze that situation, they think like that because they have dignity and pride. Lemme ask you this Butch, do you think you can out preform EVERY Male that enters BUD/S training? No, you can't. I think Mr. Divine said it best (if memory serves) Can you carry a 215 lbs half dead man over your shoulder and in addition to that, hump for miles? (Don't get perverted you little **** , its serious business) Can you stand on dive duty in the water for hours, no matter what time of the month it is? Can you live off the land for days and even weeks? Squat pissing and living off the land, leaving no trace of your presence. And I will bring this up, after doing any number of these activities, can you hold yourself together emotionally? It is impossible to get through BUD/S without teamwork, impossible. No man is going to WANT you to be there, your going to be a menace, just like you are right now. They are going to either make you quit, or make you quit. And on another note, your 2 cents aren't worth **** on this website. It is absolutly outrageous what some people (yourself) think you can do. No, I am not a Navy SEAL (All Caps). But I think it is disrespectful for you to come to this website and parade this topic like you do. I want to be a Navy SEAL and there are people in this community that I would like to see around, not driven off by your stupidity. I am done with this topic.
Lee

p.s. If you feel so inclined as to disagree with anything that i have said here, e-mail me. swimmer2004@navyseals.com

[lauren78]

"Come on guys, shes just talking about lifting herself out of bed every morning, or off the couch where she passed out with the fritos. Don't forget to change last weeks tampon. I hope the string didn't break. I'd hate to be the man with the jaws of life..."

What a classy guy you are. I sure envy the man or woman that ends up with you.....

I find some of these posts about women wanting to be SEALs shocking. It is disgusting that these feelings towards women are harbored during this day and age. I'm not a feminist by any means, but some of you need to grow up.

If you dont have the balls to give a woman a chance at doing your supposed job, then how the hell can you have the balls to be a Navy SEAL for that matter? That's all it is really is fear...fear of what you dont know.

It's funny how people get all bent out of shape about racism, but when it's sexism it's a whole other story.

[Gokusfusion]

What a classy guy you are. I sure envy the man or woman that ends up with you.....



Thanks! I got a wonderful fiance I am blessed to have!


If you dont have the balls to give a woman a chance at doing your supposed job, then how the hell can you have the balls to be a Navy SEAL for that matter? That's all it is really is fear...fear of what you dont know.


What do you expect people to do when she sets around degrading SEALs? But I guess her remarks don't apply to her since she's a women right? She is getting everything she asked for. If you remember correctly she said SEALs are
"panty waist". It's a chance that is not worth taken, the SEALs missions would go totaly wrong and would not be accomplished with a women in the teams. As swimmer said, it takes team work to pass BUD/s, no man is going to work with a women. That's the facts. Men have the balls to be a SEAL, the thing is which mean do, the very, very few.. You know the difference between men and womens sex, so I don't need to explain sex ed to you. She knew she was offending people right off, but personaly did not care. She litteraly got to big for her pants. "God forbid what size that may be, she sounds butch". Anyways, I respect your opinions and critisms to me. I hold no grudge. She needs to get over herself. If she was allowed to go to BUD/s after she failed she may learn a few things about the reality of BUD/s..


It's funny how people get all bent out of shape about racism, but when it's sexism it's a whole other story.


As I posted if you read in another post to her. I clearly stated I have no problem with women. She is going around talking about how bad of a ***** she is. What does she expect a pat on the back and expect a trident to be handed to her? She acts as if BUD/s is a day in the park with your wife and kid. That's total bull **** !

Good day to you mam and god bless!!

[lauren78]

well it was wrong of her to degrade SEALs, but is it necessary to degrade all of woman kind for one woman's comment? I honestly didnt read much of what this particular female had to say, all i really saw were slams towards females. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on whether women could make it as SEALs. But the way it is now we will never know, because they arent given a chance. Perhaps this woman is just angry because she is being held back from doing something she wishes to pursue. Correct me if i'm wrong but it is man that wont allow women to be SEALs...

[sirenx]

Sorry, I know 2 girls that will gave up having kids to have both there uertuas removed to be seals...I myself won't do it... because I told them that's plain stupied

Holy cow...the level of ignorance displayed by you is absolutely phenomenal...forget the strength and bad *** issues...you are just plain too stupid to be a SEAL. Stupididty and explosives are not a good combination...if you do not know that a women has only on Uterus then you are probably not aware of a whole lot of other factors about what women are physically and physiologically.

I am not even going to address all the other things in your posts that imply your less than fabulous IQ and/or education.

As a women I believe that women should be able to have the same oportunities as men within reason. If for no other reason we should not be allowed on SEAL teams because we affect the cohesion of the team to a degree that it would make it difficult to impossible to function at the level necessary for routine success.

There are many great jobs that are as important if not more so than SEAL teams in the Intelligence community. I have suggested in the past to other females who look to being a SEAL as a goal to look for a future in those areas...SEALs and other spec ops rely on good intelligence to complete their missions successfully...their are many oportunities in those communities for a women to succeed and be of very valuable service to her country. I do not however think you have what it takes to be recruited by intelligence.

You may be some sort of bad *** chick but it takes a hell of alot more than that to accomplish what is required by our special forces...like a hold on reality and an IQ bigger than your bra size.

[nkro]

well it was wrong of her to degrade SEALs, but is it necessary to degrade all of woman kind for one woman's comment? I honestly didnt read much of what this particular female had to say, all i really saw were slams towards females. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on whether women could make it as SEALs. But the way it is now we will never know, because they arent given a chance. Perhaps this woman is just angry because she is being held back from doing something she wishes to pursue. Correct me if i'm wrong but it is man that wont allow women to be SEALs...


Well maybe if you read what she said, you would realize that she is talkin' outa her *** should shut the fuuck up!!!!!!!!!

[Gokusfusion]

well it was wrong of her to degrade SEALs, but is it necessary to degrade all of woman kind for one woman's comment?


Now I never degraded all women, you are putting words in my mouth.... I only degraded her.. By me saying women are not physically capable of passing BUD/s is not degrading to them.. It's only the truth...



I honestly didnt read much of what this particular female had to say, all i really saw were slams towards females.


Assumptions can be a downfall... Make sure you read all the way before assuming I am degrading women. It was only her for her actions.

<b>In the post above you made to me. I might add:</b>

Also assuming that the one women I fell in love with or marry should be envied was nowhere near relevent to this figure of conversation. You cannot judge my relationships by one comment I made to another being of the opposit sex.
Noone knows me like she does, nor does she need to be envied as you say. If being envied is being happy, then I guess she's being envied. I will not make a crack about your relationships, nor do I want to. That's your buisness, but do not sit there and tell me how my relationship is, when you have absolutly no idea on what you are saying.

[lauren78]

well i dont know if you meant me, but nope i wont shut the f*ck up (: It doesnt matter to me what she said! my point was that i dont appreciate seeing the female race get slammed by you people! I wasnt even commenting on anything this person had to say. no matter what she said, it doesnt mean you should make sexist comments about women!

"Also assuming that the one women I fell in love with or marry should be envied was nowhere near relevent to this figure of conversation. You cannot judge my relationships by one comment I made to another being of the opposit sex.
Noone knows me like she does, nor does she need to be envied as you say. If being envied is being happy, then I guess she's being envied. I will not make a crack about your relationships, nor do I want to. That's your buisness, but do not sit there and tell me how my relationship is, when you have absolutly no idea on what you are saying."

Relax-i could honestly care less about your relationship-but i dont know many women who would want to be with a man that used such nasty statements about women-you say you only meant it about this woman, but whatever.

[sjr78]

Alright, I've been reading this post since it started but had yet to throw in my 2 cents, well here it is. This is getting ridiculous. Whether a woman could physically do the same thing that a man could do is not the question. There are many men that could physically do what it takes to get through BUD/S. It's not physical its mental! Second, why would women want to join a community that obivously has problems with them being there, especially when everyone in that community's life is on the line. To me, that is just ignorant. I am not a SEAL, but if they said that they did not want me, well then I would have to assume that they are only looking out for themselves and the rest of the teams. It's not a feminist issue, it is not a personal strike at someone personally, it's just how it is. I don't see any reason for this conversation to become personal towards anyone. It is just a discussion (one of which has it's own forum by the way)! That's all I have to say, thanks for your time.

-steve

[Gokusfusion]

well i dont know if you meant me, but nope i wont shut the f*ck up (: It doesnt matter to me what she said! my point was that i dont appreciate seeing the female race get slammed by you people! I wasnt even commenting on anything this person had to say. no matter what she said, it doesnt mean you should make sexist comments about women!

"Also assuming that the one women I fell in love with or marry should be envied was nowhere near relevent to this figure of conversation. You cannot judge my relationships by one comment I made to another being of the opposit sex.
Noone knows me like she does, nor does she need to be envied as you say. If being envied is being happy, then I guess she's being envied. I will not make a crack about your relationships, nor do I want to. That's your buisness, but do not sit there and tell me how my relationship is, when you have absolutly no idea on what you are saying."

Relax-i could honestly care less about your relationship-but i dont know many women who would want to be with a man that used such nasty statements about women-you say you only meant it about this woman, but whatever.



I never asked you to shut the **** up and if you are going to sit around sayin you could careless about relationships, don't stick your nose in them. Also you say you don't like seeing negative comments on women. As I said before it was only that one women/he-man.. And what you said about you feel sorry for the women that ends up with me was a good old case of the bull****! You really got no idea on what the hell you are saying, so let's drop it here. No grudges here.

[Nessa]

I just have this to say. Yes SEALs are the warriors out there. But does anyone else here realize that they are also the most intelligent? Its pretty much common knowledge in the Navy community that SEALs tend to score higher on tests and be smarter than nukes. So, on the up side, I don't think anyone needs to worry about this particular woman, now do we?

[Nessa]

the female race get slammed


I didn't realize there was a female race. Exactly when did that evolve?

[Gokusfusion]

I didn't realize there was a female race. Exactly when did that evolve?


It will evolve when a women becomes a SEAL. Not in my lifetime.

[gymmer13]

Lauren: I am sorry that our opinions conflict, but that doesn't mean that I am a b*tch. I was actually pretty nice in that post. Also you find it ignorant that guys don't want gurls there??? Are you using ignorant right...

Nessa: LOL I still don't think I quite got everything she was saying, but I feel like my IQ dropped 10 points by reading it. :D

Fish: LMAO...tooo many horny Marines trying to get with Navy SEALs is now running around my head.

~gymmers

[lauren78]

"Second, why would women want to join a community that obivously has problems with them being there, especially when everyone in that community's life is on the line. To me, that is just ignorant."

well i find it ignorant that there are communities that have problems with women being there.

Nessa-Froghog

[Gokusfusion]

well i find it ignorant that there are communities that have problems with women being there.


Every women has rights and freedom, but there is certain things that is totaly a mans job. It's not ignorant to call a women out on something that is just going to endager her and many others, including anything that could hurt her physically.

Women do not have to sit at home and be maids, house wives or whatever ya'll want to call it.

No women with dignity wants to drop her pants and squat piss in some 3rd world country in front of a bunch of males.

("Not unless she's the town horse, where everyone has had a ride or two").

No women wants to have to sit behind enemy lines for days,weeks at a time on their time of the month. "coughs, yeast infection,due to lack of hygien and bathing"

It's bad enough when the pissed mood syndrome kicks in, lets just all express our feelings. :D

This is only directed to one or two certain women of the board. No other women are being put under in my opinions on this board. I in know way am meaning to be sexist or endanger any womens opinions or likings towards me.

<center>&copy all rights reserved. Gokusfusion inc. :D</center>

[nkro]

well i find it ignorant that there are communities that have problems with women being there.


THATS LIFE... There's not much you can do about it either...

[Boatdrivers_Babe]

Nessa-Froghog


1. Don't throw stones in glass houses....

2. Go back to start & read Nessa's profile/post.

3. Then go back to the strand entitled "...Re: Strand entitled..." in General Topics, re-read it THOROUGHLY and

4. learn to follow directions.

[Nessa]

Thanks Boatdrivers Babe.

Lauren: I have yet to actually meet any males who don't want women in the Navy. Like Gofusfusion said, there are just some jobs that aren't meant for women. So far I can only think of one negative comment being made to me about females in the military and that was back at MEPS by some kid fresh out of high school who thought he was going to be the sh*t becasue he was going to be working with tanks for the Army. Let me just reiterate: MOST men, and yes that includes SEALs, don't have a problem with us being here. And no they don't want us doing their job, but frankly, I don't blame them. I'll just stick to the intelligence end, and they can play superhero with whatever information I manage to get them. Please look at this realistically. Do you really want to be stuck out in the middle of BFE, trying to make it to an extraction point, under God knows what conditions, while sufering from endless cramps and fatigue because OH! Guess what? You had to deploy at a bad time of the month. As far as the depo shot to make sure that doesn't happen? Guess what? That shot isn't safe for alot of the women who take it because instead of stopping the problem it can cause hemoraging(spelling?). If I've made any of the guys queasy, well, sorry. Just felt it had to be said.

Nessa

[lauren78]

BDB-get off of my ***. you seem to love me so much that you cant stop following me around the board and commenting on everything that i say. get a life and find someone real to talk to.
And I knew my husband waaay before all this SEAL stuff started. Perhaps you shouldnt throw stones at glass houses, hence your comments on this board. You seem to really want to argue with me, i'm sorry you're so bored, but i have nothing to learn from you nor talk to you about. that's all i'm going to say to you.

[Boatdrivers_Babe]

you seem to love me so much that you cant stop following me around the board and commenting on everything that i say. get a life and find someone real to talk to


Wow what an amazing ego...Buh Bye honey...

[Silence86]

Fellow members (and even those of you who aren't members),
Let me introduce myself. My name is Steve, I'm a 17 year old from Ohio. I too, wish to be a SEAL someday. This who topic disappoints me though. I'm aware that ,ost of you are adults. I'm aware it is also my place as a minor to be respectfull to adults. But do you not think, that as adults, it is your duty to be mature? Can you people not discuss a topic or idea without getting heated? Are insults really necessary? State your opinion, then shut up and wait for a counter-point. All of this garbage is not necessary. What happened to military disciplin. The code for wearing your dress uniform carrie son into real life. It's called honor. Sommetimes honor means biting your tounge even when you've been wronged. Try being th ebigger man (or woman) in the situation.
Now, if no one is going top attack me on this, I'd like to state my opinion on the topic. I do not feel that women are in anyway inferior. Women can do everything a man can do, if they work hard enough. It also applies vice versa. But the fact of the matter is that men are biologicly better suited for combat than women are. At puberty womens bodies begin to develope in such a way to make them ideal for child birth. A males body developes in such a way as to make them ideal for combat and other such physical work. That's why males bodies transform into mostly muscle, and a females into mostly fat at puberty. Aside from that fact, I just feel it is morally wrong for women to see combat. I still believe in the old code of chivalry. I still feel that women are to be protected. I feel combat is something no woman should ever have to be subjected too. That's my spiel. Jope you all take this with a calm mind. "It is easier to leave angry words unspoken than to mend a heart those words have broken."

God guide you always,
17 year old Steve

[Gokusfusion]

But do you not think, that as adults, it is your duty to be mature? Can you people not discuss a topic or idea without getting heated? Are insults really necessary? State your opinion, then shut up and wait for a counter-point.



Wow for someone who tells others not to get all heated up, you sure did get heated up by telling the whole board to shut up. Good job hypocrit..........



God guide you always,
17 year old Steve


Is there something inparticular about your age? You already told us once you were 17. Or do you feel what you just wrote is highly advanced and complexed for a "17" year olds brain to comprehend?

[Silence86]

Wow for someone who tells others not to get all heated up, you sure did get heated up by telling the whole board to shut up. Good job hypocrit..........


Actually I wasn't heated up at all. I'm still not either. I was just trying to make a point that everyone is getting worked up over nothing. But, take it as you will.


Is there something inparticular about your age? You already told us once you were 17. Or do you feel what you just wrote is highly advanced and complexed for a "17" year olds brain to comprehend?


I really didn't find it all that complexed or advanced. I was merely making a point, as stated above. There really isn't anything inparticular about my age either (except that complete re-wiring of my brain and the flood of hormones ; ), but that's nothing major!) Anyway, that's just how I happened to sign my post. If you honestly took offense then I aplogize.

[Gokusfusion]

Actually I wasn't heated up at all. I'm still not either. I was just trying to make a point that


That it? Point is you said to others not to get heated up.. Then you tell us to shut up,that's not polite regardless how you state it. You just didn't watch your actions this time.




I really didn't find it all that complexed or advanced.


Your right it wasn't complexed. You re-enforced your age for a unknown reason..

I am 19 by the way.

I am 19 forgot to tell you.

My age is 19 years old.

I am a 19 year old male.


Good luck. (19 year old here)

[Silence86]

Your right it wasn't complexed. You re-enforced your age for a unknown reason..

I am 19 by the way.

I am 19 forgot to tell you.

My age is 19 years old.

I am a 19 year old male.


Good luck. (19 year old here)


I just wanna thank you. I having a bad day and you honestly made me smile. I feel better now.

[Gokusfusion]

I just wanna thank you. I having a bad day and you honestly made me smile. I feel better now.


Good glad I could. Now you see all the things you thought was so heated up and wrong, was sometimes just humor. Glad you understand that now.

[diesel828]

As for that guy that want to deck me...Well, I'm brown belt in judo(Japaness Karate). Personaly i can can you on your can!



HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! First of all, judo is nothing like Karate. It is mainly throwing. Secondly, no matter how much kung fu you know, if a guy gets one good shot to the face, you're going down no matter what. Another thing, all the kicks, punches, and throws in conventional martial arts don't mean sh*t when a 210 pound guy has mounted you on the chest and is swinging at your face... all it takes is for him to tackle you down, too.

You need to realize that you, alone (or with a million other women for that matter), will never convince the government to allow women into the SEALs.


Yes! Some you seals are pantywiasts if you can't handle women being a seal! What are you worried that our bras and thongs will get in your way??? Or worried that(I hate be blunt sorry) that if female seal comes into heat, all you male seals have a proublm with it.......Sorry, I know 2 girls that will gave up having kids to have both there uertuas removed to be seals...I myself won't do it... because I told them that's plain stupied.


Hmmm... I don't ever recall any SEALs being "pantywaists". I think you have a major inferiority complex and that you are probably very bitter. YOU COULD NEVER HANDLE BUD/S.... EVER. I'm sure no one cares about anyone tampering with their uterus in order to become a SEAL. You may think it's plain stupid, but then again, so are posts/threads like these.

[diesel828]

By the way, your title for this thread is a little inaccurate... there are no women SEALs.

[Shipwreck]

you men makes being a seal shameful.
I support anyone women that has guts to want to do it!
'Now, for shame on you all!

[fish78]

Diesel,
Judo as well as jujitsu has many atemi waza(ways of striking)...in geneneral the rule of thumb is "blows before throws"...I am not referencing "tournement or sport" judo but rather the real thing as taught and practiced in the early part of the last Century. Very brutal, very effective...still the basis for true combat H2H.

[Gokusfusion]

you men makes being a seal shameful.


Every SEAL operative there is are men. So what you are basically saying is SEALs are shameful. You have absolutly no respect for them, SEALs are far from shameful. People like you are what makes this board bad, for not seeing through the she-male wanna be.


I support anyone women that has guts to want to do it!


You can support all you want, build a riot or a strike. Women will never be a SEAL.



'Now, for shame on you all!


Well **** you too :)

[ThenThereWazLite]

I am a woman diver. I'm trained in technical diving through NAUI and IANTDand I can tell you through my own experience women do not need to be arguing about becoming Navy Seals. That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I've trained long and hard to become a technical diver and I'm considered a great, professional diver by my peers. But I do not have the endurance or strength to do a lot of the things that would be required as a seal. Compromises would have to be made which would not adhere to the full requirement of becoming a seal. All seals are qualified to do the same thing. There are no compromises nor should there be.

It does not offend me that I can't become a seal. It offends me that someone who can't even spell and who obviously has no clue what being a specialized diver entails would come onto a website to voice their ignorant beliefs to people who have dedicated their lives and talent to do a dangerous, risky job and then would sit here and argue like some redneck in a bar who has had too many beers.

If you would like to argue like a child then how about going to a chat room with people more your speed?

Specialized diving is not about gender. It is about capabilities, not politics.

Thank you.

[The_only_1]

You probably don't want to hear my opinion, but....................it's America. I do not dought that this kind, lady-like tom-boy(.......LOL........) has the ability to excell in the military, but that does not excuse her from the job that was given her by God (or whoever you want to believe created her). Man was supposed to have a seperate job from a woman it's been that way since the begining of time. And for a female to step out of her position and just abandone it is wrong on her part. It would be like back-up crew sleeping while they were needed by partners.



Fro

[lauren78]

[lauren78]

LOL and just what is a woman's job? I suppose you'll say it's to stay home and take care of the kids

[Gokusfusion]

LOL and just what is a woman's job? I suppose you'll say it's to stay home and take care of the kids

Well if you could read, you would have clearly seen where I said this about women's jobs. Read more thorougly before assuming what everyman thinks. You assume alot, that's not a good thing. Sometimes the answers are right in your face. If it had been a snake it would have bite you.



Every women has rights and freedom, but there is certain things that is totaly a mans job. It's not ignorant to call a women out on something that is just going to endager her and many others, including anything that could hurt her physically.

Women do not have to sit at home and be maids, house wives or whatever ya'll want to call it.

[PJ]

I am a woman diver. I'm trained in technical diving through NAUI and IANTDand I can tell you through my own experience women do not need to be arguing about becoming Navy Seals. That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I've trained long and hard to become a technical diver and I'm considered a great, professional diver by my peers. But I do not have the endurance or strength to do a lot of the things that would be required as a seal. Compromises would have to be made which would not adhere to the full requirement of becoming a seal. All seals are qualified to do the same thing. There are no compromises nor should there be.

It does not offend me that I can't become a seal. It offends me that someone who can't even spell and who obviously has no clue what being a specialized diver entails would come onto a website to voice their ignorant beliefs to people who have dedicated their lives and talent to do a dangerous, risky job and then would sit here and argue like some redneck in a bar who has had too many beers.

If you would like to argue like a child then how about going to a chat room with people more your speed?

Specialized diving is not about gender. It is about capabilities, not politics.

Thank you.


BZ This is probably the best post here - to bad only a few will understand it.
Common Sense is in short supply. Nuff Said

[lauren78]

gokufusion, i can read just fine, and if you had sense of comprehension you would perhaps see that i wasnt even addressing you, i was addressing the post that was right above me. So why dont you relax a bit and not be so assuming yourself. Watch out for that snake!

[stratmn5105571]

you men makes being a seal shameful.
I support anyone women that has guts to want to do it!
'Now, for shame on you all!


Is it just me?

Shipwreck has only one post and its sentence structure, poor spelling and grammar smacks of what we would see from ArcticSeaWolf.

I think she has made a lame attempt at double posting. Otherwise, the ranks of the idiots are thickening on these boards.

Strat

[Gokusfusion]

gokufusion, i can read just fine, and if you had sense of comprehension you would perhaps see that i wasnt even addressing you, i was addressing the post that was right above me. So why dont you relax a bit and not be so assuming yourself. Watch out for that snake!


Considering you never block quote, all you ever do is this" text goes here". Also considering I spoke from a males point of view on the womens jobs and stated they aren't expected to just sit home. Considering the person you did NOT block quote to, to fully address you were applying to him really didn't make that kind of comment about women. You once again chose to assume. Also considering the snake has bit you in the *** 2 times already . I feel I came out safe on this post.

Remeber don't get mad when your mom yells at you for making out with your boyfriend, after all it is her husband.

[diesel828]

Diesel,
Judo as well as jujitsu has many atemi waza(ways of striking)...in geneneral the rule of thumb is "blows before throws"...I am not referencing "tournement or sport" judo but rather the real thing as taught and practiced in the early part of the last Century. Very brutal, very effective...still the basis for true combat H2H.


I do believe that judo is predominantly popular for being largely comprised of throwing techniques. As a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu practitioner, I can also say that strikes in jiu-jitsu are very limited and serve one main purpose... to get into a clinch. Jiu-jitsu, even hundreds of years ago, had so many rules and limitations that it had lost its combative purpose. Martial arts had also turned into just that... an art. They no longer serve their purpose because I have seen the most gifted black belts get destroyed by street brawlers. Martial arts are confined by so many rules that there's no telling when the techniques will fail you, and unfortunately sometimes they will fail in a real-life situation.

About 75 years ago a Brazilian family took jiu-jitsu to a new level. They threw out what did not work and kept what did. On top of that, they modified and added certain techniques. The main purpose of this was to restore it's effectiveness in real combat, and it worked. They believed that in order to fully develop an art they had to test it in real, no-holds-barred, fights. So between the 30's and early 90's this family had a $100,000 challenge. Any man who could defeat any male member of that family in the fight would win the purse. Obviously, no one ever did. Throughout the 90's events such as the UFC, Pride, K-1, and Vale Tudo were developed to test several arts against each other to see which one was truly effective. In the early days of the UFC, where the only rules were no biting and no eye-gouging, BJJ (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu) dominated. A 6 foot man, extremely lanky at 176 pounds, defeated men who were several inches taller and over 70 and 80 pounds heavier! These men weren't just huge, but were the elite fighters of their own art and long time black belts (karate, judo, kickboxing, kung fu, muy thai...).

I don't mean to be insulting, but I thought it would be fun information to share. Fish, I know you went to SCARS and that you learned a great deal there. You have much more information than I do but I'm sure that we can both agree that a large majority of fights end up on the ground. I think, correct me if I'm wrong, that there is a portion of SCARS that covers a large aspect of ground-fighting. The UFC proved that in a real fight many of the most talented martial artists in the world had no sense of ground combat. The tall and skinny man (Royce Gracie) won the first 2 UFC's against huge and fierce men without a scratch. Initiating a clinch and throwing them to the ground gave them no opportunity to throw a kick or a punch.

So I'm going to have to disagree with "blows before throws" because I've seen these Gracies destroy the best without throwing a single punch or kick. I know many of you think the UFC is stupid and silly, but it was actually created by the Gracies in their effort to promote their style of jiu-jitsu and to spread its practice throughout the world. They are all average sized men and they thought that putting together the event and choosing one of their skinniest would prove their art. They wanted to show the world that it was leverage, not necessarily strength, that can dominate a fight. They also wanted to prove to the world that you did not need to inflict much damage to an opponent to win or to make him/her submit. Chokes, submission, arm and leg locks were the key and no one had any idea how to defend against it. Needless to say, their plan worked. Within 3 months after the first UFC the Gracie Academy quadrupled in size.

I've babbled on and strayed off the topic, but I just wanted to crush any confidence ArcticSeaWolf had in her alleged abilities in Judo (which she wrongly described as Japanese Karate).

[nkro]

Throughout the 90's events such as the UFC, Pride, K-1, and Vale Tudo were developed to test several arts against each other to see which one was truly effective. In the early days of the UFC, where the only rules were no biting and no eye-gouging, BJJ (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu) dominated.


How true, although at Pride Royce lost his match. It was pretty close though, lasted almost 2 hours.

Also at the early UFC's before they started adding rules, and time limits, etc. you couldn't hit anybody in the groin either.


There are plenty of other gracies too.


So I'm going to have to disagree with "blows before throws" because I've seen these Gracies destroy the best without throwing a single punch or kick.


Yes I agree with what you say there, but in the first couple UFC's Royce would always throw a couple of kicks to his opponents knees, then take them down. Not that what I just said really matters

[diesel828]

How true, although at Pride Royce lost his match. It was pretty close though, lasted almost 2 hours.


Yeah, it was pretty close. Did you also see his "loss" to Yoshida? That was such a lame stoppage, the referee had no right to stop the fight.


There are plenty of other gracies too.


Yeah, I'm familiar with most of them. I've visited Rickson Gracie's school a few times and I train at the Gracie Academy in Torrance, CA which is run by Rorion Gracie and his sons. I believe Royler Gracie is still in Brazil when he's not doing seminars. I've also seen Renzo Gracie fight at World Combat Championship, which he won.


Yes I agree with what you say there, but in the first couple UFC's Royce would always throw a couple of kicks to his opponents knees, then take them down. Not that what I just said really matters


Nah, you've had some good things to say lately. Did you see Royce's fight against Kimo?

[nkro]

Did you see Royce's fight against Kimo?

Yes I did, I dont quite recall how it ended. I think he won but was too tired to continue, somthing like that. That kimo guy had some problems if you ask me, especially his walk to the octagon.

[lauren78]

lol, get mad gokufusion, get mad.

[fish78]

I do NOT agree that a "large majority" of fights do to the ground...some do and you need to know how to deal with ground fighting, but your goal should be to get up as quickly as possible. The UFC has nothing to do with real fighting...No eye gfouge, no throat strikes, bo intentional head buts and the biggy...nothing that violates the laws of a particular jurisdiction...Hell, that remove about 75% of the street proven effective techniques. Yes, I have attended a SCARS camp, but it is just another tool in the arsenol.

BJJ is a good sport fighting style, but the BJJ are no longet dominating the MMA events. Read carefully what I am about to post...it ould save your life someday.
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NUTS & BOLTS

Fundamental "nuts & bolts" training for close combat should be directed at dealing with the extremes. That is a life and death struggle for survival, i.e. worst case scenario. Restraint, control, and use of force scenarios and methods are peripheral to this core training. In other words train to deal with these beliefs at the forefront: The enemy is quite willing and capable of killing you - there are multiple threats - they are armed - the assailant(s) are bigger, stronger than you and they CAN FIGHT! Can it get any worse that that? Now add this to the mix: You are physically/mentally exhausted - ill or injured - caught by absolute surprise - may have to protect others as well - no viable avenue of E&E.

So what do we HAVE to do? I think we would all agree that immediate and absolute "threat" elimination by the most extreme(hence most reliable) measures possible is really the only pragmatic answer. So now what?

Let's look to real world models for some possible answers. Three potential goals seem obvious:
1 - immediate cessation of life. Yes, killing the SOB's outright!
2 - unconscioussness. Knocking the SOB's out cold!
3 - Acute traumatic shock(least viable). Making it physically impossible for the SOB's to do ANYTHING. I would heartily suggest following up with 1 or 2. John Minnery had a good line,"If you killed him once and you're sure he's dead, kill him again and be dead sure". If anyone regards this as melodramtic or overly harsh, well consider what you would do if some animal were about to harm your wife, children, etc.

Considering the worst case, it seems only logical that we attack the most viable targets with ruthless, abject brutality.Priority #1 - the throat/neck region and the face/skull(brain box). Everything else is secondary. Why? These two areas assure the "biggest bang for the buck" so to speak. Reality sucks, so you may very well have only ONE CHANCE, you had better make it the best chance possible! This applies to unarmed as well as armed combat.

Attack the throat with the INTENTION of crushing it! No brainer.
Attack the anterior/lateral carotid triangle. One of TWO primary KO points. Kyusho/Dim Mak this AIN'T! Just "hammer" the ******* . Fast, hard and often is the key phrase!
Attack the cervical spine/C-1 - dens bone attachment.
Attack the head/brain case. Now here we get interesting. The goal in attacking the head should be, in my opinion, to cause ACUTE TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY. Other possible injuries are secondary. Attack with the intention of causing massive "coup contra coup" brain trauma, either through translational or rotational impact. Cause severe "kinking" of the brain stem, either by hyper flexion or extension. Forget the "death touch" stuff. THIS IS HOW people in the real world get F***ed up. Just research contact sports injuries, i.e. football, hockey, soccer, boxing and judo. Shocking the medulla and the the raephi ganglia are proven "shut downs" in the real world. Second proven KO is located at the jawline lateral to the chin at about the spot where the mental foramen is located(draw a vertical line down from corner of mouth). This is the classic boxing KO and is due in large part to rotational acceleration causing "brain bounce" or concussive referal shock and acute twisting of the cervical vertabrae.

No one is saying that this is "easy", BUT it is what you are going to HAVE to do. Sometimes you CAN attack directly, sometimes you can't. Uncle Murphy rules the roost here. So you DO whatever you have to DO, but get there! Spit in his eyes, slam a kick(with real intent and hopefully solid boots) into his shins, crush his nuts with a knee, grab the ******* and bite his nose off.......whatever! Shock him, rock him, and knock him out! Or just smile simperingly and waste the skel with total abject ruthlessness. Then go home and get a good nights sleep.

It ain't pretty, it ain't easy, it ain't fun, this is SERIOUS "guano"and your very life and well-being will be hanging in the balance. Either stand up, accept it and deal with it, or fold your hand, the choice is yours. The morgue is filled with compromise. Survival is it's OWN REWARD!

Carl Cestari
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Carl Cestari does not teach for money, he has a few students in the NY. NJ. area that are mainly LEO. He is perhaps the most dangerous man in the World...Hes has been written up in "Black Belt" magazine as the formost practicioner of WWII Combatives in the World, but his base is in old style Jujitsu and more different styles than you could hope to name...he is the real deal,,,Never heard of him? Well, that is intentional on his part. Carl at 50 would wipe the floor with any of the sport fighters, don't believe me? Read his words again.

[fish78]

Go to this site for some history on old style Jujitsu and Combat Judo.
http://pub104.ezboard.com/fclosecombat82274frm13

[ThenThereWazLite]

Let's hope that this issue is at rest, now...

Will the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts please go back to their proper dens? =)

I was very excited that I found a site that I could meet other divers and have intelligent conversations...and maybe even learn a thing or two...

I guess the freedom of the internet can be annoying as it is beneficial.

Bev

[outdoorguy]

I have a bright Idea, lets end this thread!

God Bless

[Gokusfusion]

lol, get mad gokufusion, get mad



I don't get mad. I get glad.

Watch out for the embreeding, it's hard for someone to look you in the eye and talk when their **** eyed, and have staggering speach. Your dad may also be your brother, but I am sure he still loves you very much.

Take care Lauren, may the good spirits keep you safe!

[Gokusfusion]

Nkro, how's the old judo granny? The one with the dentures and the walking cane from hell. The one that puts pop knots on your head the size of a hemroid on a elephants ***. I knew you were going to introduce her to frogstyle, but did you ever? Tell granny I said hi, and not to have a heart attack anytime soon. Tell her to cut down from 2 pints of liquor a day to 1. Also tell her to smoke only 3 packs of cigerates a day and not 5. I want her to enter UFC sometime, so she needs to be in shape. Let her go in with that cane, she's sure to win. ;)


See you later Nkro.

[nkro]

So you DO whatever you have to DO, but get there! Spit in his eyes, slam a kick(with real intent and hopefully solid boots) into his shins, crush his nuts with a knee, grab the ******* and bite his nose off.......whatever! Shock him, rock him, and knock him out! Or just smile simperingly and waste the skel with total abject ruthlessness.


Ouch.



Then go home and get a good nights sleep.


Dont forget to eat a big meal

[nkro]

I want her to enter UFC sometime




Nkro, how's the old judo granny? The one with the dentures and the walking cane from hell. The one that puts pop knots on your head the size of a hemroid on a elephants ***. I knew you were going to introduce her to frogstyle, but did you ever? Tell granny I said hi, and not to have a heart attack anytime soon. Tell her to cut down from 2 pints of liquor a day to 1. Also tell her to smoke only 3 packs of cigerates a day and not 5.


Okay...



I want her to enter UFC sometime, so she needs to be in shape.


UFC isn't what it used to be.

[diesel828]

The UFC has nothing to do with real fighting...No eye gfouge, no throat strikes, bo intentional head buts and the biggy...nothing that violates the laws of a particular jurisdiction...Hell, that remove about 75% of the street proven effective techniques.



Like NKRO said, the UFC isn't what it used to be. But in the early days, all those moves were legal... except eye-gouging.



Carl at 50 would wipe the floor with any of the sport fighters, don't believe me? Read his words again.


I'm sorry but I would have to respectfully disagree here again. For one, sport fighters do NOT keep all their fights in the ring. Thousands of these guys have been more than effective in the streets. Carl's words are just that, mere words. Talking about an elbow strike to the back of the head and actually excecuting it are two different things. What Carl doesn't realize is the element of surprise. How well can you execute an eye-gouge, nose-bite, or anything else for that matter if someone smacked the back of your head with a beer bottle while you were snacking on a peanut? Let's say you faced a very well-trained fighter (who undoubtedly would have the same knowledge as Mr. Carl Cesari), what would you do if he was in an all out rage and full of PCP?



Attack the throat with the INTENTION of crushing it! No brainer.
Attack the anterior/lateral carotid triangle. One of TWO primary KO points. Kyusho/Dim Mak this AIN'T! Just "hammer" the ******* . Fast, hard and often is the key phrase!
Attack the cervical spine/C-1 - dens bone attachment.
Attack the head/brain case. Now here we get interesting. The goal in attacking the head should be, in my opinion, to cause ACUTE TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY. Other possible injuries are secondary. Attack with the intention of causing massive "coup contra coup" brain trauma, either through translational or rotational impact. Cause severe "kinking" of the brain stem, either by hyper flexion or extension. Forget the "death touch" stuff. THIS IS HOW people in the real world get F***ed up.


What he says here is true, but I'm going to turn to execution again. If I was challenged to a fight in a bar to defend my life, against, say... Tank Abbott, I personally do not believe I would ever have the opportunity to strike his throat without taking more than a few knockout punches to the head.

Fish, I give you all the credit in the world for your knowledge about this material (even though I don't think you should've posted it because this info may fall into the wrong hands). I also understand that BJJ does not hold up on its own in the MMA, that's why "sport" fighters like to cross-train. The knowledge and information given by Carl Cesari is also useful to an extent because there are hundreds of people who know what he knows and, therefore, are well capable of defending against them... as I am sure you are.

By the way, you called him one of the most dangerous men in the world... how do you think he holds up against Jerry from SCARS? Just thought I'd ask for another opinion.

[fish78]

Tank Abbot has been severely beaten several times...no, not in competition...he is not so tough.. I can tell you what he said to Ken Shamrock's wife at an after event party once...it was homosexual in nature...Tank has done prison time...As to Peterson and Cestari...I would pay to see it...I have seen both in action and Peterson knows more science...Cestari is more viscious...Carl is a few pound heaver...difficult to call a winner.
As to posting it: there are no secrets...just a few basics, that you repeat and vary...there is really no difference in SCARS and the WWII methods when you really understand both...the techniques may appear to be at odds, but in reality they are not.

[diesel828]

Fish, what is the name of the WWII method? I'd like to look into it a little more. Also, if you don't mind e-mailing what Tank said to Ken's wife I'd appreciate it. I know Tank's been beaten, even on the streets. No one's invincible... hell, 20-year-old Vitor Belfort gave him a hell of a beating in the ring. Except Belfort was on some serious steroids.

[fish78]

diesal,
check mail

[nkro]

Tank Abbot has been severely beaten several times...no, not in competition...he is not so tough.

He may be (or appear to be) big and tough, but he doesn't have much technique.

[diesel828]

That's true, he has no technique... he's just a mere street brawler. Except, I was saying before, I probably couldn't defend myself against someone like him - for now.

[nkro]

The last time i saw Tank Abbot was on a Pro. Wrestling show <strong>(the fake stuff)</strong>

[KingOfFighters]

Actually you're complete wrong, David "tank" Abbot has a background in boxing and wrestling. He used to train with Paul Herrera and Tito Ortiz in his UFC days. He's also making a come back to the UFc and is training for his fight. His training pics were on sherdog.com so you can look them up at that website. As far as SEALS being tougher than UFC fighters thats a joke. UFC fighters are tested, and fight in hand to hand combat, as were SEALS well, you guys should all know how they fight.

[nkro]

David "tank" Abbot has a background in boxing and wrestling. He used to train with Paul Herrera and Tito Ortiz in his UFC days.


Yet he still doesn't have great technique... once hes on the ground hes screwed.



As far as SEALS being tougher than UFC fighters thats a joke.


wtf? UFC fighters cant do s*** (some, around when it first started). UFC fighters ARE a joke. There are so many rules now I had to stop watching it. Now they HAVE TO WEAR GLOVES and there's even time limits, you cant do anything anymore.


He's also making a come back to the UFc and is training for his fight.


Does anybody even watch the UFC anymore?

[diesel828]

I agree, Tank Abbott still has no skill, whether or not he trained with those guys. As far as Tito Ortiz, he didn't really train with him and learn anything, Tito was just a sparring partner. He was one of the only couple of guys willing to spar with Tank.



wtf? UFC fighters cant do s*** (some, around when it first started). UFC fighters ARE a joke. There are so many rules now I had to stop watching it. Now they HAVE TO WEAR GLOVES and there's even time limits, you cant do anything anymore.



Whoa there, buddy. I don't these guys are a joke. It's not their fault there are a bunch of new rules. It's the media's fault. People who had no idea thought that the UFC and NHB fights were fights to the death. Some people even thought that KOTC fighers put barbed wire on their gloves! It's people like John McCain who put a huge block in the progression of NHB fighting. As far as wearing gloves, have you seen those gloves? Believe me, when you get hit by it, you get rocked! The ONLY purpose of the glove is to protect your own knuckles and fingers, it's just a small piece of leather, no cusion. However, I agree with you on the time limits, it's stupid. Then again, you can't have a fight last more than a few minutes if you want to get all the fighters air-time on Pay Per View... it's all about the money. People are selling out NHB fighting.



Does anybody even watch the UFC anymore?


I don't watch it so much anymore, but I did watch the Tito Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock fight where Tito gave Ken a grade A beating. Other than that, the fighters are beginning to suck and soften up. The MMA isn't getting anywhere, man.

[STeVe_C]

Arctic:

1) You have no respect. Therefore, with such a poor attitude, you'll never make it in the military, unless you humble yourself, and accept that you don't know everything. I'm sorry your family puffed your head up so much with such bad information.

2) You better go back to your little 'Karate' classes and have them teach you REAL discipline, self-control and RESPECT! You didn't have to say "SEALs that don't want to work with women are pantywaste.", no, you could have said "I respecfully disagree with you on the woman-SEAL issue, here's the reason why:", and then state your reasons why you disagree with them. Why didn't you do that?

3) From what I've seen already, I hope you never go into the military, I'd hate to think of a person like you holding a gun with other people around.

4) How old *are* you?

5) I'm actually doubting you went to Karate classes, since you have no self-control over what you say. I could only imagine what you don't have control over in *real life* ?

6) If you're trying to impress me with your 'superwoman' strength, it's not working. Your words alone have judged you.

[fish78]

Actually you're complete wrong, David "tank" Abbot has a background in boxing and wrestling. He used to train with Paul Herrera and Tito Ortiz in his UFC days. He's also making a come back to the UFc and is training for his fight. His training pics were on sherdog.com so you can look them up at that website. (/qouted)

What I said was that Abbot has served tim in prison and had been beaten severely several times.



9qouted)
As far as SEALS being tougher than UFC fighters thats a joke. UFC fighters are tested, and fight in hand to hand combat, as were SEALS well, you guys should all know how they fight.


I don't believe anyone made that assertion.

[Raine]

Instead of banging your head on a brick wall, Artic, why don't you try a more realistic approach and fight for women having the ability to enlist for any position within the forces first. Women in the US military are still subject to the glass ceiling - you can't be a Navy SEAL if you're a filing clerk. You can't get to the top of the ladder without stepping on the first rung, and maybe actually being able to serve on a submarine, or as an infantry soldier might help quench the sexism that is the bane of serving women, and allow if not you, then your daughters to have the chance.

[BJB]

You can't get to the top of the ladder without stepping on the first rung, and maybe actually being able to serve on a submarine, or as an infantry soldier might help quench the sexism that is the bane of serving women

Raine has got right to the heart of the matter.

Remember the old phrase "It would take an Act of Congress to . . . ."?

Well, in this case, that is literally true. Until Congress repeals the legislation that keeps women out of the front (i.e., fighting) ranks of the military, no woman in the USA stands a chance of becoming a US Navy SEAL.