Why is Seals not open to us women?

[ArcticSeaWolf]

I aways wronder that and friend of mine going to become a seal wronders too?

Can it be that they belive we can't handle BUD'S Seal Hell Week?

I watched Bud's Navay Seal Training on Discovery Channal all the time and saw the hell week one. To me I personally want to see how far I can go on hell week! Personally I'm someone that has alot guts and not scared to die!

Well, If seal not an gaving to women, my second pick has to be EOD....There's some danger like action there. I do wronder do you by chance get Seal like training there...Heeeeellllo, I want work for somthing! I hate easy stuff, that's not going to allow me not use the o'l bean! I can't stand the easy like wimpy tasks! Do the EOD training have anything like hell week in there training???? Personally you guys can call me NUTS, but I think it be a rad and vey fun to even to do Hell Week! I think i can make it!!!! I know alot what is done in hell week!

I sents 1989 only sleped like less the 13 hours a week(It's just somthing my body started to do at age 13)*Parents hated it*

I love water......Will play in ocean any gaving chance I have(Even in winter and in rain)*Lives only 45 mins from coast in the San Fransico Bay Area...Also takes dogs down to ocean after post surgery to soak in surf to bring surgery swelling down at any time of day or night or year* few my Siberian Huskies hate it and they complain about it...even after 30mins in surf...Depands on the Surgery swelling on that dog I can stay there for hour , But if i get to point about passing out or the dog I get out and get the body warm again...Sometimes if it's winter I wide in about 10 mins at a time and get out for 20 and get back in...This intill I get swelling down on the animal. I had to take a dog or 2 over the 12 years out in the middle of the night wide them in the surf.. because the swelling got so big and unbarble to my poor fur babies...I have in times hade to hold my one in my arms in sit in the surf to keep that dog from freaking out...Belive me it's cold...But I do anything to help my dogs....I take them Reg. to sea and stuff.. for some resson it keeps they young and active and vet notice it keep my 12 year old from having old age proublms.

Anyhow...sorry about carrying on like that...I don't see the point WHY women can't be seals...We are just as mental and Psycial just as good as any guy, Some of us maybe better then some of the SEALS in the navy too..Who knows!

If I had $20,000.00 just gave to Navy to prove a women can make it throw SEAL training and even Hell week I would! But, well lets say I wished I hade it to gave away for somthing like that ~looks down at a $1,465.89 vet bill and knows that she needs to payed off somehow~ anyhow I plan when I'm done with my Animation Degree..I be sighing up for the Navy...Hopefully the times changes things...Oh yah I be 30 when I do that....! The only way I won't come if I end up married with a child and well, me with getting married and having kids YAH RIGHT! I do want to marry and have kids, but I'm kinda well you can say I was born with a sailor like personailty and I can be a annoying loud mouth! I known as Sailor by relitives and they said for years I blong in the navy :) Well you can say once that guy found out I'm very much on that smart@$$ed and ****y, well you guess it they split! I do know when to shut my pie hole alright!

So well can some one help me with that fact on WHY NOT??

[tvlr]

Oh Lordy Lordy, heres that Betsy again.

All ready on the right,

All ready on the left,

All ready on the firing line,

Watch your targets,

Fire........................

tvlr.

[shocker]

Think everyone's too bored too even bother.....

[Romulus]

LADDA!!
KLART BAKÅT!!
ELD!!!!

Translation..
LOAD!!
CLEAR BEHIND!!
FIRE!!!

Recoilless granadelauncher CarlGustav "bible"
And that fu**er packs a punch..
Will stop here..Getting all riled up.
Romulus out.

[Wetwash]

go read the Archives...again and again and again and again and again...............and again and again and again>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Mac679]

So well can some one help me with that fact on WHY NOT??


( to beat Chickenhawk to the punch and rest his fingers from typing the following 4 words )

Ground Combat Exclusion Law

[Nessa]

besides you can't have two sets of standards for something so dangerous, and you sure as hell can't lower the current standards. thats when people start getting killed.

[Gokusfusion]

Your spelling needs alot of work first, Mcdonalds won't except applicants that can't spell.



WHY women can't be seals...We are just as mental and Psycial just as good as any guy, Some of us maybe better then some of the SEALS in the navy too..Who knows!


Are you on crack or is it just the imbreed kicking in?


but I think it be a rad and vey fun to even to do Hell Week! I think i can make it!!!! I know alot what is done in hell week!


You might break a nail and get droped.

[gymmer13]

UUUmmmm...who wants to start...lol....Not me, I can't type fast enough for my brain.. :D...Well here's my answer,,,its against the law.

~gymmers

[ArcticSeaWolf]

My Name is Kimberleigh Ann Keister
My mother well is a Special ED School Bus Driver and My Father is retired Vet from the Army!!!!

There be indeed women in SEALS, I have friends that are women in the Arm Forces that determend to have the rules changed!!

I know President Bush has brought up the facts that women have been wanting join the Navy Seals Teams....I heard that Bush wanted ti talk to head of what department it is to see if they can Allow any Quilfing person is allowed to become a seal if the meet the standards and that includes women!

[Gokusfusion]

My Name is Kimberleigh Ann Keister
My mother well is a Special ED School Bus Driver and My Father is retired Vet from the Army!!!!

There be indeed women in SEALS, I have friends that are women in the Arm Forces that determend to have the rules changed!!

I know President Bush has brought up the facts that women have been wanting join the Navy Seals Teams....I heard that Bush wanted ti talk to head of what department it is to see if they can Allow any Quilfing person is allowed to become a seal if the meet the standards and that includes women!


They would have to lower the training course of BUD/s for women to pass.. I got nothing against women, but you go around saying you'd pass at all cost. Doug once said the people who usualy quit are the people who say they won't give up for nothing. Doug is a SEAL... Many SEALs have said they would NOT run a mission with a female operative. I don't think that will ever pass.

[RoninSamurai]

First point,

I'd really like to see any woman fighting for the rules to be changed so that they have to sign up for the selective service before they petition for the right to join ANY elite infantry unit. you people just want to go right to the top without having to do any of the... how should I say this, nonglamarous work. You want equal rights, sign up for the draft.

Second point,

My wife, my mother, my sister, hell any of my female family and friends if you ask me if I'd be happy letting them see what men see during war and the answer would be NO. Women shouldn't have to deal with that kind of thing. That's what men are for.

Third point,

Forget every other thing I've said, if you can successfully argue this point. "if ALL combat is directly tied to morale and an overwhelming majority of the active SEALs have in no uncertain terms stated that they will NOT operate with a woman then (here's the million dollar question) HOW DO WOMEN NOT EFFECT MORALE IN A NEGATIVE MANNER? You see, part of being a SEAL is knowing that the guy next to you is able to do his job and never having to question that. How are you doing your job if the guy next to you and all the other guys are always questioning your qualifications?

Life isn't fair, deal with it.

[fish78]

My Name is Kimberleigh Ann Keister
My mother well is a Special ED School Bus Driver and My Father is retired Vet from the Army!!!!

There be indeed women in SEALS, I have friends that are women in the Arm Forces that determend to have the rules changed!!

I know President Bush has brought up the facts that women have been wanting join the Navy Seals Teams....I heard that Bush wanted ti talk to head of what department it is to see if they can Allow any Quilfing person is allowed to become a seal if the meet the standards and that includes women!


Cite your sources, please?

[Swimmer2004]

I am sick and tired of this.....read the boards....and then go away.

[nkro]

My Name is Kimberleigh Ann Keister
My mother well is a Special ED School Bus Driver and My Father is retired Vet from the Army!!!!



My Name is Juan Carlos Jr.
My mother well is a Special NASA scientist teacher and My Father is a non-retired Bounty hunter!!!!



There be indeed women in SEALS, I have friends that are women in the Arm Forces that determend to have the rules changed!!


BUD/s pass wouldn't they succeed they if even, not or changed rules the get to determined are that forces arm the in friends female have you whether, SEALS in women be never will there!

Try decyphering that message, I know i had trouble trying to figure out what you were saying.

[RoninSamurai]

Try decyphering that message, I know i had trouble trying to figure out what you were saying.


no kidding. nicely put.

[ArcticSeaWolf]

I just got done talking a long time friend from my old nighborhood and grew uptogather and is a medical staff in Navy. She suggested Us women to start and get the help from the white house.. to start an all women Seal team...Then when we geat the team on the way and to take all the men in the Buds and Pit them with the women Seal Team and have 2 weeks of hell week and see what happens! Then they will see women are just as tough as the men..I be the first to be pitted with big tough guys at buds! I will invited Bush and the head of defeance out to watch the 2 weeks!

[Moon2002]

*Stares blankly*


any questions?


to start an all women Seal team...Then when we geat the team on the way and to take all the men in the Buds and Pit them with the women Seal Team and have 2 weeks of hell week and see what happens! Then they will see women are just as tough as the men..I be the first to be pitted with big tough guys at buds!


What the hell are you exacltly talking about?


and

I will invited Bush and the head of defeance out to watch the 2 weeks!


Of course, why didint i think of that. Defense. Defeance. whats the difiriance

[Gokusfusion]

I just got done talking a long time friend from my old nighborhood and grew uptogather and is a medical staff in Navy. She suggested Us women to start and get the help from the white house.. to start an all women Seal team...Then when we geat the team on the way and to take all the men in the Buds and Pit them with the women Seal Team and have 2 weeks of hell week and see what happens!


Can you say bull **** ?


I will invited Bush and the head of defeance out to watch the 2 weeks!


Do you really want to fail in front of the president and everyone?

[Elwood2020]

OK. in order to join any military branch, let alone the SEALs, you have to pass what we call the ASVAB test. This tests you on your knowledge of basically math and english along with some other stuff. In order to qualify for the SEALs, you need to have a certain score on your ASVAB test. Just by looking at your grammar mistakes, I'd say you need to do some studying before you think about the Navay. Or is it Navy? Iam not sure. Iam just gonna say it flat out. Women will never be on the SEAL teams. Never. The only way women will be on a SEAL team is in ones dreams. You can get 1000 petitions started for women on the SEAL teams, and I doubt any of them would have any effect on the Naval Special Warfare Command. What I suggest is right a letter to Demi Moore, because thats the closest you'll ever get to a woman on the SEAL teams.

[ArcticSeaWolf]

My grammer and spelling is bad, because I get worked up and type too fast Suger!

Hell, with that ***** Demi Moore, I'm alot bigger and badder *****, then she will ever be so there!

Plus Sweety I don't and won't fail at all suger pus!

Want to bet, I will love to make you pick up horse droppings with your teeth!

[Elwood2020]

No Iam sorry I think your spelling is crap. You spelled sugar wrong twice, and I doubt its because your typing to fast. You could never make me pick up horse droppings with my teeth. So there. Just to let you in on a little secret, SEALs dont make it through BUD/s by being a "big and bad *****". They make it through TEAMWORK. Or maybe I should spell it so you'll understand. Teemwurk. Being a Rambo type will get you no where in BUD/s. Get over it already.

[Gokusfusion]

My grammer and spelling is bad, because I get worked up and type too fast Suger!


Nice spelling "sugar".


Hell, with that ***** Demi Moore, I'm alot bigger and badder *****, then she will ever be so there!


Your attitude wouldn't allow you to pass BUD/s. You'd end up quiting right away. You just told the whole board that by your remark.. Comparing the actual real life training to a movie. It's not like the board thinks Demmi Moore is a bad *** to begin with.



Plus Sweety I don't and won't fail at all suger pus!


You already have.




Want to bet, I will love to make you pick up horse droppings with your teeth!


You are typing alot of **** . Seems like you are really full from sucking the **** out of the pigs ***.

Good day mam!

[nkro]

My grammer and spelling is bad, because I get worked up and type too fast Suger!


Worked up? Worked up over what...
I doubt any of us here even want to bother replying to these messages, (because they get us all SOOO worked up) but do anyway because they dont have anybody else to flame.


Hell, with that ***** Demi Moore, I'm alot bigger and badder *****, then she will ever be so there!


I'm sure you are, why dont you post a picture of yourself in your profile so we can all see how <b>manly</b> you are!

[stratmn5105571]

Reversing the ground combat exclusion law would take an act of congress, but keep trying to get in touch with the President. Maybe you can get a hold of him on the phone in between his meetings with foreign leaders and dealing with the issues in Iraq so you can plague him with gibberish.

God, Why the hell did I even respond to this crap?
Strat

P.S. Having read this thread, I feel dumber...

[PJ]

P.S. Having read this thread, I feel dumber...



Only thing I can add to this is BE GLAD YOU WEREN'T IN THE CHAT WITH THIS PERSON LAST NIGHT it was not a pretty sight

[Wetwash]

(quote)
Hell, with that ***** Demi Moore, I'm alot bigger and badder *****, then she will ever be so there!
(quote)

I am sure you are correct

[i_wanna_b_a_SEAL]

Arctic, I dont know where the hell you are from but it seems to me like ur not American (your grammer and spelling suggests your from some other goddam country) so if ur arent American, stop *****in about being a SEAL because u can't be one. If u are American, learn some f**ckin English.

[FNG]

My grammer and spelling is bad, because I get worked up and type too fast Suger!

Hell, with that ***** Demi Moore, I'm alot bigger and badder *****, then she will ever be so there!

Plus Sweety I don't and won't fail at all suger pus!

Want to bet, I will love to make you pick up horse droppings with your teeth!



I SAY ARCTIC-ARDVARK IS HAVING WAAAY TOO MUCH FUN WITH THIS. THE COMMENTS ARCTIC-******* IS POSTING ON THIS THREAD ONLY SERVE TO RILE US UP. LEST WE FORGET, A WARRIOR IS ALWAYS IN CONTROL OF THE SITUATION, SO LET'S FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE SET BY SEALS ON THIS FORUM AND NOT RESPOND IN A WAY THAT GET'S HER GOING, OR JUST NOT RESPOND AT ALL. (MAYBE THEN MS. ADHD WILL SEEK NEGATIVE ATTENTION ELSEWHERE[?])

[sealtobe]

You sound like one tough lady BUT, DID YOU GET DROPPED ON YOUR HEAD AS A CHILD? SEALs kill people that goes with the job, and any women I know have no desire to go thru that kind of trauma. My grandfather was a Ranger on the beach at Normandy France on D-Day. He was on tough guy and he never talked about that day. Not to any one, his wife, kids or his buddys. Because most of his buddies died. Now I know SEALs aren't the same kind of soldier but your buddies still die. Thats gonna be hard for a tough SEAL to take if his pal gets killed if hes a man. Women are more emotional. If you want to put yourself thru that kind of stress I say your on something.
I'm not a SEAL but I plan on joining the Navy to be a SEAL when I turn 18.

[A62]

Only thing I can add to this is BE GLAD YOU WEREN'T IN THE CHAT WITH THIS PERSON LAST NIGHT it was not a pretty sight


Maybe this will go away or we can keep it on this one thread, while enjoyable, it does remind me of the amount of non-knowledge of some people. My students do the same thing. Hopefuly it is part of the learning process and they don't stay non-knowledgable. Bottom line: as I understand ot today, most, actually all, of the present day operators, that I or my son knows, would get out ASAP after the first female is admitted to BUD/s. So, you would have to rebuild the SEAL/s from the ground up, and you would lose the concept, therefore they would be ineffectual. My 02
A62 out

[sealette]

Hmmm... I'm not sure if i'm replying to this properly because its my first post so I apologise if I'm ****ing it up.
Well I'm British, female, 27, graduate, civvie and only on this site because i found myself entangled with a phony SEAL recently (but don't worry I did my detective work and exposed him.)

I have several comments to make on this topic so let me first say that I have the deepest respect for all military personnel (Brits and Yanks and all the others) even though I sometimes question the motives of the politicians who deploy them. Anyone who risks their life daily for the general public and especially in the high risk manner of SEALS deserves their bravery recognised.

The person who originated this strand is clearly under-educated, unrealistic and over enthusiastic. I don't think you are striking any blows for feminism (and no I'm not ashamed to call myself a feminist) by the sheer amount of crap you're talking. I think its commendable that you believe in women's equality, but I don't believe SEALdom is an area where equality can be achieved. However, I am also disturbed by the intrinsic attitude of sexual discrimination I see in here, so here are my comments:

Women and men are physically different, this we all know. Women simply don't have the musculature that men have, you only need to watch the Olympics to be sure of that. I've never seen a woman outrun Linford Christie. I have no doubt that there are women who could make it thru BUDS but I bet they are few and far between. Since the subject of Demi Moore has been raised before, I seem to recall that she had to train 5 hours a day with a two hour break and eat a highly specialised diet to LOOK the part for that film. So it occurs to me that given she was relatively fit and healthy to start with, the average woman would have to pursue a similar routine in order to be similarly pumped. If this was the case, when the hell would the said woman be doing the actual work of a SEAL? Its also true that for every Demi, there is an Arnie...I hope you understand that what I mean by this is that however big and strong a woman can make herself, there will be a man who can trounce her purely because he had the better physique initially and can get twice as big. Women's physiques are designed to store fat not muscle and vice versa for men. So surely this would mean women would not only be doing the insanely strenuous job of a SEAL anyway, but working harder to maintain her results. Anyone who has ever seen a game of rugby knows that a 6'5 man weighing 19 stone in a sliding tackle could probably crush most women no matter how big they were.
However guys.... (and gals)
I do not believe it is true to say that because a situation exists, it should not be challenged. This woman (Artic) has as much right to question her situation as you do. Apartheid, slavery and American Independence ;-) are all areas where people challenged the prevailing hegemony and proved their point. There are valid questions to be asked about women in the military, and I don't believe a culture of enforced silence fosters respect for the forces or engenders useful growth and change. I think we must always question the relevance and usefulness of a situation like this, and be open minded to the results.
I am also in complete opposition to the idea that women cannot face the horrors of war. Can I remind you that it was primarily women in London during the Blitz (and indeed any war you can mention) cleaning up the bodies as well as running the country and maintaining families. Its women who see their families shot or gutted like pigs in front of them. Its women who are tortured and raped by hostile troops. Do we survive it? Yes! But you don't hear us talk about it because its the forgotten side of combat. I don't mean to denigrate what male warriors do when i say that either. Nobody wants to see the abominations that a war can bring, nobody (if they are doing their job for the right reasons) wants to kill, but it is to the individual to decide for themselves what they can handle seeing, or not. I believe women have every bit as much mental strength as men in that arena, and in fact in every day life (and as a logical extension in war although it would have to be tested to be proved) I believe women are probably emotionally superior to men because we can take so much more stress from many different angles before cracking, perhaps thats why traditionally women have had multifunctional roles in society, like homemaker. God knows I love my kitten heels and nail varnish, but I can tell you that if it came down to my brother and I having to pick up a gun and defend ourselves, he would be the white feather, so you cannot underestimate or pre-judge women's mental and emotional strength and capacity. Most women are as tough as old boots, make no mistake.
I find the prescriptive attitudes of some men on here, usually the younger ones, as to women's place in society, shockingly antiquated. Some of the comments about PMS are ridiculous- have you never heard of the pill? When men get horny in the army, they are given bromide (or were) but no one calls them emotional or hormonal or complains that it affects their work performance. Most of these attitudes are about your failure as men to address your own social conditioning, rather than women's inability to function.
Apart from that my only other point is that perhaps there will be situations in the future where it becomes considered useful to have women special operatives- we have different skills, We are better at multi tasking and can think about many things at once, we're smaller, better at detailed delicate tasks, more nimble and flexible, and more intuitive, and we have a higher pain threshold and more stamina.
Do I think women should be SEALS? No
Its simple, like scissors, paper, stone: man defeats woman, gun defeats man. In terms of sheer brute force, men are simply equipped to do the specialised job of a SEAL better (yes I know they have intelligence too). It was created by men for men, and I believe that women should compete on their own terms, not on male terms because its impossible in this instance. I think its a shame the military feel there is no use for women in specialised roles that utilise female skills, but then woman has always been the outsider and the deviant in Western society (just read the Scarlet Letter).
So: my conclusion is this: a woman's place is where she wants it to be, but sometimes its not about gender. War is a harsh game of power and fact, and one where allowances cannot be made for differences and weaknesses. A SEAL is a man. No question.

So, I hope I haven't offended anyone, I haven't intended to. I hope I've added an intelligent response (even if you don't agree with it). I would also like to hear from any real SEALS as there appear to be mainly civvies on this site

Sealette

(ducks, waiting to be slammed)

[Adriel]

ASW, no it's not about doubting the toughness of women. It's about not underestimating the powerful synergy between the male and female sexes and the way in which that dynamic will alter small unit dynamics to the detriment of their stated mission.

[joker50cal]

I agree with Sealette onthe fact that men are quite stronger and far bettersuited for the job of a SEAL. I also agree that women "are better at multi tasking and can think about many things at once, we're smaller, better at detailed delicate tasks, more nimble and flexible, and more intuitive, and we have a higher pain threshold and more stamina." -Sealette

I was once reading an article in Soldier Of Fortune written by the author or publisher, I can't remember as i dont have tha magazine anymore and it is at least more than a year old. Back to the point, it was on women in the military, women are great at many things even in the military, but i dont think that they should be frontline soldiers because they just arent strong enough. I personally know how hard it is to drag someone who weighs 180 lbs. just 50 yds. and i weigh about that much and am in fairly good condition. Now add gear and if they still have their weapon thats a good 220 to 250 lbs of dead weight that you are dragging for most men that would be a hard task over a hundred yards. Now take a 120 pound women and have her try to do the same thing, you get my point. This is what the article was trying to get across and I just wanted to share it.