I love anti-war people

[determined91]

Being the cynical person that i am, i just love to hate these people.
It really makes me grin when i read some liberal fruit-cake's retarded crap about how George Bush is evil, and how our military is nothing but "body bag fillers." Anybody agree?
I could seriously spend a whole day just ripping on these people.
God i love it.

[oldswabbie]

Being the cynical person that i am, i just love to hate these people.
It really makes me grin when i read some liberal fruit-cake's retarded crap about how George Bush is evil, and how our military is nothing but "body bag fillers." Anybody agree?
I could seriously spend a whole day just ripping on these people.
God i love it.


Not anymore. I had my fill of those ignorant bastards in the 70's. I got spit on as I was running to catch a flight out of San Diego by a hippie. I was in Uniform - Yes I Hit him, No, I was not late for my flight and NO I was not detained by the police.:)


OldSwabbie

[Illmaxic]

i think you guys should be careful about your generalization. not all liberals are hippies and anti-war fruitcakes as you so eloquently put it. And no, we don't think president bush is evil, we just KNOW that he is incompetent. I guess I don't blame him, when you are spoon fed everything your whole life. Poor guy was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple!!!

understand that I do realize that there are a lot of far left wackos out there who do spew anti-war nonsense, I am not denying that. (just as I do not deny there are a lot of right wing wackos as well) I personally don't like them either. However, when a subject so broad like this is broached, I feel compelled to speak out because when such generalizations are made on such a wide ranging topic, it really is unfair to cast us all under the same umbrella.

[oldswabbie]

I resent the fact that people think President Bush is Incompetent. The point is ~ he has access to information you do not.. intelligence you do not.. has to make decisions on THAT information. The American public has to put TRUST in their President... unfortunately half the Country says "SHOW US!" .. well, HE CANT! Thats the way it goes.

As far as his KNOWLEDGE goes.. you do realize he had a BETTER GPA than John Kerry dont you? :D He just isnt as eloquent a speaker or Orator as the "Weasel" was. President Bush will go down in history and HISTORY will be what writes his legacy (NOT US) as one of our Greatest Presidents.

Personally, he is a Kind and Compassionate and caring individual. Talk to the men who serve under him, any of the men that he has ever come in contact with, Democrat or Republican.. they dont bash him. He has a HELL of a hard job to do.

OldSwabbie

[newtonbcn]

It's hard to believe what you say though when your liberal leaders in the senate consistantly rip into our military, slandering them and demeaning their hard work. Not to mention rip on their commander-in-chief, while they sit around and have the lowest and least productive senate majority for a long while in the USA.

[bud/s 184]

I resent the fact that people think President Bush is Incompetent. The point is ~ he has access to information you do not.. intelligence you do not.. has to make decisions on THAT information. The American public has to put TRUST in their President... unfortunately half the Country says "SHOW US!" .. well, HE CANT! Thats the way it goes.

As far as his KNOWLEDGE goes.. you do realize he had a BETTER GPA than John Kerry dont you? :D He just isnt as eloquent a speaker or Orator as the "Weasel" was. President Bush will go down in history and HISTORY will be what writes his legacy (NOT US) as one of our Greatest Presidents.

Personally, he is a Kind and Compassionate and caring individual. Talk to the men who serve under him, any of the men that he has ever come in contact with, Democrat or Republican.. they dont bash him. He has a HELL of a hard job to do.

OldSwabbie

Recognizing "THOSE WHO SERVED"

Not to mention Mike Lumpkin Former Navy SEAL (Democrat) http://lumpkinforcongress.com/ Bob Kerry Navy SEAL (Medal Of Honor) former Democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)) Governor of Nebraska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_of_Nebraska) from 1983 to 1987 and a U.S. Senator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate) from Nebraska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska) (1989–2001). ..Jesse Ventura (Independant)!!

I always say...show me a blow hard Republican and 9 times out of 10...they didn't serve their Country!!



Be sure to check out the bottom of the list...where the people who spend their time jabbering about military service
(the TV pundits) have their military credentials exposed.

Democrats

Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V Purple Hearts.
John Edwards: did not serve.
Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953.
Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
Chuck Robb: Vietnam
Howell Heflin: Silver Star
George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received 311.
Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point, Vietnam, Purple Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star
general.
John Dingell: WWII vet
John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea

Republicans

Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
Tom Delay: did not serve.
House Whiip Roy Blunt: did not serve.
Bill First: did not serve.
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
George Pataki: did not serve.
Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
Rick Santorum: did not serve.
Trent Lott: did not serve.
**** Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
Jeb Bush: did not serve.
Karl Rove: did not serve.
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
Vin Weber: did not serve.
Richard Perle: did not serve.
Douglas Feith: did not serve.
Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
Richard Shelby: did not serve.
Jon Kyl: did not serve.
Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
Christopher Cox: did not serve.
Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight instructor.
George W. Bush: six-year Nat'l Guard commitment (incomplete).
Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.
Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII
Phil Gramm: did not serve.
John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
Bob Dole: an honorable veteran.
Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. (Currently an Obama Supporter!!)
Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986
JC Watts: did not serve.
Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
G.H.W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.
Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam.
Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
Clarence Thomas: did not serve

Pundits and Preachers

Sean Hannity: did not serve.
Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
Michael Savage: did not serve.
George Will: did not serve.
Chris Matthews: did not serve.
Paul Gigot: did not serve.
Bill Bennett: did not serve.
Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
Bill Kristol: did not serve.
Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
Michael Medved: did not serve.

Yeah...these guys all talk a tuff game.....none have served!!

[lisalynne10]

Then you should come to Portland (you'd have a hay day!) where just the last couple of days SO's were conducting "urban assaults" exercises and the folks living downtown felt they were OWED an explanation ahead of time, so in turn they called the DoD and asked them if they'd have the exercises moved somewhere other than good ole downtown Portland. Yesterday they were in Salem, wonder how the good people of Salem handled that?? :)

Oh, I bout forgot to add that the good city of Portland invited them here!

[determined91]

i think you guys should be careful about your generalization. not all liberals are hippies and anti-war fruitcakes as you so eloquently put it. And no, we don't think president bush is evil, we just KNOW that he is incompetent. I guess I don't blame him, when you are spoon fed everything your whole life. Poor guy was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple!!!

understand that I do realize that there are a lot of far left wackos out there who do spew anti-war nonsense, I am not denying that. (just as I do not deny there are a lot of right wing wackos as well) I personally don't like them either. However, when a subject so broad like this is broached, I feel compelled to speak out because when such generalizations are made on such a wide ranging topic, it really is unfair to cast us all under the same umbrella.

Ok you are absolutely right, not all democrats are psychotic war protesters, so for making a generalization, i apologize.

BUD/s 184, damn....i just got schooled.
Thanks for the session :D

Ok now some ungrateful shroom eating hippy piece of **** spitting on soldiers, that just pisses me off.

[commbubba]

John Murtha (D-Pennsylvania)- Served 37 years in the Marine Corps.

This man is now a traitor in my eyes for what he helped put those Marines through. Benedict Arnold served in the military as well.

[oldswabbie]

John Murtha (D-Pennsylvania)- Served 37 years in the Marine Corps.

This man is now a traitor in my eyes for what he helped put those Marines through. Benedict Arnold served in the military as well.

I dont paint all Democrats as bad.. or as flaming liberals. I will however stand in COMPLETE AGREEMENT with Commbubba about Murtha. I've heard things come out of that mans mouth that I could not believe. If I didnt know he had been a US Marine I wouldnt not have believed it. I'm glad I wasn't standing in front of him a few times that fat bastard said some of these things or I would have slapped him across the face.

OldSwabbie

[bud/s 184]

I dont paint all Democrats as bad.. or as flaming liberals. I will however stand in COMPLETE AGREEMENT with Commbubba about Murtha. I've heard things come out of that mans mouth that I could not believe. If I didnt know he had been a US Marine I wouldnt not have believed it. I'm glad I wasn't standing in front of him a few times that fat bastard said some of these things or I would have slapped him across the face.

OldSwabbie

Good...my old buddy swab...cuz I'd hate to have to stomp a mud hole n your old gray ***.....(After drinking all night and running a 10 mile conditioning run...then an O-course....then doing a fran....then...another pitcher of beer....oh there is my democrat hating buddy swab.....need ta swat some sense into him....ok...back to drinking!! ;)

[Illmaxic]

I resent the fact that people think President Bush is Incompetent. The point is ~ he has access to information you do not.. intelligence you do not.. has to make decisions on THAT information. The American public has to put TRUST in their President... unfortunately half the Country says "SHOW US!" .. well, HE CANT! Thats the way it goes.

As far as his KNOWLEDGE goes.. you do realize he had a BETTER GPA than John Kerry dont you? :D He just isnt as eloquent a speaker or Orator as the "Weasel" was. President Bush will go down in history and HISTORY will be what writes his legacy (NOT US) as one of our Greatest Presidents.

Personally, he is a Kind and Compassionate and caring individual. Talk to the men who serve under him, any of the men that he has ever come in contact with, Democrat or Republican.. they dont bash him. He has a HELL of a hard job to do.

OldSwabbie

Swab, I am not going to tear into this because I like and respect you as a person and as a contributing poster as well as a hell of a moderator to this site... however, I will counter what you say.

First of all, I have never wondered what it would be like to be president of this great nation. I would never want to have that job. I understand that it entails a GREAT deal of responsibility. (understatement of the century) And believe me, I understand that President Bush was faced with some serious $hit, and he had to act on it. However serious the issue was, it could not, I repeat, IT COULD NOT have been so serious as to use OUR Constitution as toilet paper. And you can toot your horn all you like about the seriousness of 9/11 and terrorism domestic and abroad, and while I do concur that this is serious stuff that MUST be dealt with, ripping apart the literal fabric of OUR nation is not how we go about handling things. Oh, and what kind of information might you be talking about? Information like the identity of an active CIA agent under deep cover? I don't care if he lies to us, that is almost expected, but answer me this honestly swab, how can you support how this guy handles information when he LIES about the information that he has to his own Secretary of State (Colin Powell) which is why he QUIT by the way!

And Bush had a better GPA then John Kerry! HOLY $HIT folks lets call it a day and give this guy a f*ckin medal. Now I am not going to get into some babbling spat about Bush's GPA vs Kerry. There are too many arguments for both sides, some would say Bush bought his GPA and degree. All I'm saying is, if his GPA was so high and if he so smart, then why does he sound like such a DUMBA$$?! "STRAGERY" ring a bell anyone? anyone? That is a made up word, that has nothing to do with being a severely poor public orator. We have a saying here, if it looks like $hit, and smells like $hit, its probably $hit.

I don't know President Bush, but if you say personally that he is a kind and compassionate and caring individual, well I believe you... But personally I don't give a rat's a$$ if our president is saltiest old b@stard you ever laid your eyes on. I want a MAN running our country, not a pu$$y. A MAN who is NOT afraid to fight for his country... *cough* *cough*

And finally last, but definitely not least, this is a quote from you, and I really hope its a joke- "President Bush will go down in history and HISTORY will be what writes his legacy (NOT US) as one of our Greatest Presidents."-oldswabbie...... do i really have to comment on this one? I mean really, is he one of "greatest presidents" because he didn't blow up the f*ckin world? 'Jeez you did a great job Georgie, all 7 continents are present and accounted for.' I guess they thought, 'you know, being a president sure aint easy nowadays, lets just lower the standards and call this guy great!' LMAO

[Illmaxic]

Recognizing "THOSE WHO SERVED"

Not to mention Mike Lumpkin Former Navy SEAL (Democrat) http://lumpkinforcongress.com/ Bob Kerry Navy SEAL (Medal Of Honor) former Democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)) Governor of Nebraska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_of_Nebraska) from 1983 to 1987 and a U.S. Senator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate) from Nebraska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska) (1989–2001). ..Jesse Ventura (Independant)!!

I always say...show me a blow hard Republican and 9 times out of 10...they didn't serve their Country!!



Be sure to check out the bottom of the list...where the people who spend their time jabbering about military service
(the TV pundits) have their military credentials exposed.

Democrats

Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V Purple Hearts.
John Edwards: did not serve.
Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953.
Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
Chuck Robb: Vietnam
Howell Heflin: Silver Star
George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received 311.
Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point, Vietnam, Purple Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star
general.
John Dingell: WWII vet
John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea

Republicans

Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
Tom Delay: did not serve.
House Whiip Roy Blunt: did not serve.
Bill First: did not serve.
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
George Pataki: did not serve.
Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
Rick Santorum: did not serve.
Trent Lott: did not serve.
**** Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
Jeb Bush: did not serve.
Karl Rove: did not serve.
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
Vin Weber: did not serve.
Richard Perle: did not serve.
Douglas Feith: did not serve.
Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
Richard Shelby: did not serve.
Jon Kyl: did not serve.
Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
Christopher Cox: did not serve.
Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight instructor.
George W. Bush: six-year Nat'l Guard commitment (incomplete).
Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.
Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII
Phil Gramm: did not serve.
John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
Bob Dole: an honorable veteran.
Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. (Currently an Obama Supporter!!)
Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986
JC Watts: did not serve.
Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
G.H.W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.
Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam.
Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
Clarence Thomas: did not serve

Pundits and Preachers

Sean Hannity: did not serve.
Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
Michael Savage: did not serve.
George Will: did not serve.
Chris Matthews: did not serve.
Paul Gigot: did not serve.
Bill Bennett: did not serve.
Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
Bill Kristol: did not serve.
Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
Michael Medved: did not serve.

Yeah...these guys all talk a tuff game.....none have served!!

priceless, just priceless 184. great stuff man. it got awfully quiet after that...

of and for you limbaugh lovers out there, the cyst was on his a$$. He couldn't fight for HIS country because he had a cyst on his @ss... and no i aint jokin

[commbubba]

I love Rush Limbaugh. I'd trade what he has meant to the conservative movement of this country over my time in the Corps GLADLY.

- Proud listener and admirer since 1992.

[Illmaxic]

I love Rush Limbaugh. I'd trade what he has meant to the conservative movement of this country over my time in the Corps GLADLY.

- Proud listener and admirer since 1992.

lol... man i love this site

[commbubba]

John Kerry is a traitor in my book as well...even more so than Murtha. History will be the judge of President Bush and I believe he will be judged well. Clinton will be like a Grover Cleveland or a William Harrison. Just a stain on the blue dress of history.

And stay classy illmaxic. Stay classy.

[jumpingbum]

Most of you know me. You know where I stand on most issues. So what I'm about to write will surprise you. However, if you think about everything I've ever written about what I value? It shouldn't.

I spent 4 years at one of the most liberal colleges in the country. My Freshman year I remember some student on the steps of the student union building with a bullhorn yelling "Get the Air Force Recruiters off Campus!" I didn't like the liberals, but I learned a lot about them in my four years there.

I grew up in a liberal town in a rather interesting home. I really can't say whether my parents are moderate or conservative. However, I do know about my younger brother. I don't like it when he goes off on a tear about Bush, but he did once make a very valid point about Mr. Clinton: He managed to balance the budget. He managed to get rid of the deficit. That is something that I value for two reasons: my niece and my nephew.

I don't have kids, but I tell you what people, a national debt of 10 trillion dollars scares the snot out of me. We are in prime picking condition for some nation to buy us.

So, say what you want about Clinton, but keep one thing in mind: he didn't spend money we didn't have to spend and he didn't drag us into a VERY VERY VERY expensive military conflict.

[Illmaxic]

bubba- i've been classy since Bach, so don't play me... and i'm hearin you loud and clear, but i'm not seein much info to back up your claims... no matter how obscure things become, the sheep always follow the herd don't they...

[commbubba]

So disagree with his policies. Libs (if you are one, fine) have been hating Bush since the day he was inaugurated. It just makes you look dumb (libs in general) and childish to have that much hate for someone because he's not your guy in the White House. It would be refreshing to see some of this hate directed at bin Laden or Zawahiri for once. I forgot...Bush is Hitler.

As much hate that there is for him, actually admiring and respecting him takes guts. If that makes me a sheep (do sheep step up in your eyes?) then I'll be a sheep on the right side of history my friend. He leaves much to be desired in many a thing in my eyes (borders, illegal immigration, SCOTUS choice), but your side has yet to impress with another option. Disgust is the word that comes to mind, but not losing-my-mind hatred.

Well, Clinton was riding the wave of Reagan tax cuts and he vetoed drilling in ANWAR. Let's see what else: pulled us out of Somalia thereby making bin Laden think we were paper tigers, no payback for first attack on twin towers, no payback for Khobar tower bombings, no payback for Nairobi and Dar es-Salaam embassy bombings (at bin Laden's directives), no payback for Saddam kicking out weapons inspectors (which was one of many stipulations to the "cease fire" agreement which stopped the ops of the Gulf War), no payback for the USS Cole bombing, getting us into Kosovo (which brought in the mujahideen) and is now the only European Muslim majority nation (which is full of jihadis I last heard and ethnic cleansing of Serbs), enabling the North Koreans to get NUCLEAR weapons, giving the Chinese sensitive nuclear and military know-how, and not taking out bin Laden when there were crosshairs on his short and curlies.

Yeah, he was a great president.

[coronadodreamin]

Being the cynical person that i am, i just love to hate these people.
It really makes me grin when i read some liberal fruit-cake's retarded crap about how George Bush is evil, and how our military is nothing but "body bag fillers." Anybody agree?
I could seriously spend a whole day just ripping on these people.
God i love it.

Enough with the stereotypes, you incestuous hick :) I'm kidding of course, but all jokes set aside, I'm going into the military to serve my country. I'd appreciate it if you could possibly refrain from attacking me.

[Illmaxic]

So disagree with his policies. Libs (if you are one, fine) have been hating Bush since the day he was inaugurated. It just makes you look dumb (libs in general) and childish to have that much hate for someone because he's not your guy in the White House. It would be refreshing to see some of this hate directed at bin Laden or Zawahiri for once. I forgot...Bush is Hitler.

As much hate that there is for him, actually admiring and respecting him takes guts. If that makes me a sheep (do sheep step up in your eyes?) then I'll be a sheep on the right side of history my friend. He leaves much to be desired in many a thing in my eyes (borders, illegal immigration, SCOTUS choice), but your side has yet to impress with another option. Disgust is the word that comes to mind, but not losing-my-mind hatred.

Well, Clinton was riding the wave of Reagan tax cuts and he vetoed drilling in ANWAR. Let's see what else: pulled us out of Somalia thereby making bin Laden think we were paper tigers, no payback for first attack on twin towers, no payback for Khobar tower bombings, no payback for Nairobi and Dar es-Salaam embassy bombings (at bin Laden's directives), no payback for Saddam kicking out weapons inspectors (which was one of many stipulations to the "cease fire" agreement which stopped the ops of the Gulf War), no payback for the USS Cole bombing, getting us into Kosovo (which brought in the mujahideen) and is now the only European Muslim majority nation (which is full of jihadis I last heard and ethnic cleansing of Serbs), enabling the North Koreans to get NUCLEAR weapons, giving the Chinese sensitive nuclear and military know-how, and not taking out bin Laden when there were crosshairs on his short and curlies.

Yeah, he was a great president.


that's all good and fun, but i failed to notice anything in there regarding john kerry being a so called "traitor"

Oh ya, sending us into one of the worst economic spirals in the history of mankind is sooooooooooo noble... i never knew that a budget surplus was so atrocious. please forgive me, my thinking has been so skewed. i almost forgot it pays to be a complete ***hole...

trust me son, i have plenty of hate for osama, we all do. And I cannot stress how ignorant (ignant maybe?) and naive you sound when you say that. Osama attacked US ALL. Not the republicans, not the democrats. The AMERICANS. and you are damn right it would be refreshing as hell to see some of the hate directed towards bin laden, however, president bush seems to think that finding osama AND I QUOTE "is not a top priority use of american resources"... so you wanna tell me why the *** we are in iraq? i'll bet you my life you wont find bin laden there. Oh yeah, great president.

tell ya wat, why don't you hit the books, stop watchin fox news and bill orally, and get back at me when you have valid facts instead of theories. cuz i got facts pal, and i'll dish em all day.... baaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaa

[commbubba]

Again, stay classy. And I aint your son bro. Act like billy bad *** when you finally join the military.

[coronadodreamin]

And I aint your son bro.
"I'm not your bro, son." Somewhat reminiscent of a southpark episode. Enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5uzJVkeaUI&feature=related

[commbubba]

And please DO NOT join my Marine Corps whatever you decide.

[commbubba]

No, 9/11 was an inside job, right ill? Bush knew. Bush lied, people died right stud boy? Maybe you'll understand the meaning of respect after you slime through basic. Then again, you might be that 10%.

[bud/s 184]

Again, stay classy. And I aint your son bro. Act like billy bad *** when you finally join the military.

Oh gawd some leather neck...that can't kick anyone's *** in the bar...want's to act like a badass online....pahleez....leave these kids alone....if you want to pick on someone pick one me.....jarheads....always act'n a fool!!!

[bud/s 184]

I love Rush Limbaugh. I'd trade what he has meant to the conservative movement of this country over my time in the Corps GLADLY.

- Proud listener and admirer since 1992.

Wow....corps still producing a bunch of dumbass's.....glad I kicked my share of you...at don's light house in puerto rico......idiots!!!

[bud/s 184]

And please DO NOT join my Marine Corps whatever you decide.

Well who would when you can become a Navy SEAL....go to jarhead.com....and be a hero....you ****ing idiot!!! And run your weakass game!!!

[commbubba]

Part of John Kerry's testimony in front of Congress, April 22, 1971:

Kerry: They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.


At Young America's Foundation site (via Gateway Pundit blog):

MATTERA: Does it bother you that the North Vietnamese created a memorial dedicated to you?

KERRY: It’s not dedicated to me.

The Truth: At the Communists War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh City, John Kerry’s picture hangs in a section dedicated to the anti-war activists who helped the Vietnamese Communists win the Vietnam War.


No criminal charges were filed as a result of any of the (Army's Criminal Investigative Division) investigations into Winter Soldier (Kerry's group).

Don't ever challenge me again you hippie spawn (illnumbnut). This is my last post with you because your ranting and crying is getting boring. If you ever make the bad decision of indeed joining my Marine Corps, your attitude will be adjusted, I guarantee.

[bud/s 184]

Part of John Kerry's testimony in front of Congress, April 22, 1971:

Kerry: They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.


At Young America's Foundation site (via Gateway Pundit blog):

MATTERA: Does it bother you that the North Vietnamese created a memorial dedicated to you?

KERRY: It’s not dedicated to me.

The Truth: At the Communists War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh City, John Kerry’s picture hangs in a section dedicated to the anti-war activists who helped the Vietnamese Communists win the Vietnam War.


No criminal charges were filed as a result of any of the (Army's Criminal Investigative Division) investigations into Winter Soldier (Kerry's group).

Don't ever challenge me again you hippie spawn (illnumbnut). This is my last post with you because your ranting and crying is getting boring. If you ever make the bad decision of indeed joining my Marine Corps, your attitude will be adjusted, I guarantee.



Go to Jarhead.com and swing on Rush Limbaugh's pill poppin draft dodge'n knutt's!!! ****ing Idiot!!! My guess is you are some wannabee...****ing recon fag.....I bet you work at psd....for some cool unit....and listen'n to rush...while sucking recon ****!!!

[commbubba]

My beef is not with you BUD/S, just as you wouldn't tolerate disrespect like that, I don't either. I can't compete with what you've accomplished and I'm not trying to.

Answer me this, though, if you will. Besides how our government uses and abuses our soldiers (a burden we knowingly take on)...what is it, from what you've become and accomplished as a SEAL, about the lib side that appeals to you? Just my own personal interest. I'll be you a beer or 3.

[bud/s 184]

My beef is not with you BUD/S, just as you wouldn't tolerate disrespect like that, I don't either. I can't compete with what you've accomplished and I'm not trying to.

Answer me this, though, if you will. Besides how our government uses and abuses our soldiers (a burden we knowingly take on)...what is it, from what you've become and accomplished as a SEAL, about the lib side that appeals to you? Just my own personal interest. I'll be you a beer or 3.


I guess you didn't take the time to read MY previous post!!! I'm about the brotherhood....those that have served.....NOT those that tell those that haven't served....what is up....like your draft dodging pill poppin buddy rush!!! Deed's NOT words....is what I live by!!!!! You my friend....are BRAINWASHED!!! But your a Marine.....that's is what they do to ya'LL!!!

Recognizing "THOSE WHO SERVED"

Not to mention Mike Lumpkin Former Navy SEAL (Democrat) http://lumpkinforcongress.com/ Bob Kerry Navy SEAL (Medal Of Honor) former Democratic Governor of Nebraska from 1983 to 1987 and a U.S. Senator from Nebraska (1989–2001). ..Jesse Ventura (Independant)!!

I always say...show me a blow hard Republican and 9 times out of 10...they didn't serve their Country!!



Be sure to check out the bottom of the list...where the people who spend their time jabbering about military service
(the TV pundits) have their military credentials exposed.

Democrats

Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V Purple Hearts.
John Edwards: did not serve.
Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953.
Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
Chuck Robb: Vietnam
Howell Heflin: Silver Star
George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received 311.
Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point, Vietnam, Purple Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star
general.
John Dingell: WWII vet
John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea

Republicans

Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
Tom Delay: did not serve.
House Whiip Roy Blunt: did not serve.
Bill First: did not serve.
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
George Pataki: did not serve.
Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
Rick Santorum: did not serve.
Trent Lott: did not serve.
**** Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
Jeb Bush: did not serve.
Karl Rove: did not serve.
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
Vin Weber: did not serve.
Richard Perle: did not serve.
Douglas Feith: did not serve.
Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
Richard Shelby: did not serve.
Jon Kyl: did not serve.
Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
Christopher Cox: did not serve.
Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight instructor.
George W. Bush: six-year Nat'l Guard commitment (incomplete).
Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.
Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII
Phil Gramm: did not serve.
John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
Bob Dole: an honorable veteran.
Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. (Currently an Obama Supporter!!)
Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986
JC Watts: did not serve.
Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
G.H.W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.
Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam.
Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
Clarence Thomas: did not serve

Pundits and Preachers

Sean Hannity: did not serve.
Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
Michael Savage: did not serve.
George Will: did not serve.
Chris Matthews: did not serve.
Paul Gigot: did not serve.
Bill Bennett: did not serve.
Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
Bill Kristol: did not serve.
Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
Michael Medved: did not serve.

Yeah...these guys all talk a tuff game.....none have served!!

[commbubba]

Brother (and man if you only knew how much respect I have for SEALs),

You and I are on the same page with the brotherhood part. But, I'm not blindly going to follow someone just because they served or didn't. I don't think you are, don't mistake. I look at the total man. Marine is the hat I wore for 4 years and got out with a disability. I've been fighting this whole time to get healthy and try out for BUD/S, but it's been 5 years of no-go. The thing that stuck out in my mind about the SEALs is the brotherhood. That's all I thought about.

But being a Marine doesn't make up for my bad decisions and doesn't define who I am. Although, when I get mouthy it rears its head. I see liberalism as destroying the foundations and institutions that made this country great. Not everyone can be a warrior or soldier. So, if these guys were cowards when they were 18-22, then are they marked for life? Everything they do from that time on is tainted?

No way will I give someone a pass and not disagree with them in my beliefs just because they served at any level. If it takes getting my butt whooped then that's the price I'll pay.

[bud/s 184]

Brother (and man if you only knew how much respect I have for SEALs),

You and I are on the same page with the brotherhood part. But, I'm not blindly going to follow someone just because they served or didn't. I don't think you are, don't mistake. I look at the total man. Marine is the hat I wore for 4 years and got out with a disability. I've been fighting this whole time to get healthy and try out for BUD/S, but it's been 5 years of no-go. The thing that stuck out in my mind about the SEALs is the brotherhood. That's all I thought about.

But being a Marine doesn't make up for my bad decisions and doesn't define who I am. Although, when I get mouthy it rears its head. I see liberalism as destroying the foundations and institutions that made this country great. Not everyone can be a warrior or soldier. So, if these guys were cowards when they were 18-22, then are they marked for life? Everything they do from that time on is tainted?

No way will I give someone a pass and not disagree with them in my beliefs just because they served at any level. If it takes getting my butt whooped then that's the price I'll pay.

1st I RESPECT your service...thank you!! I have found in life that a leopard never changes it's spots!! Once a coward always a coward...and how dare a person run their mouth at someone or question how someone served....when they at least gave up their freedom and swore in and served their country....all service is valuable service....and deserves our respect!! Especially those that sacrifice in the Marine corp....brotherhood!! Once again....thank you for your service.......I have a major distaste for those that judge how another person served....when they NEVER raised their hand.....they have NOTHING to say!! They just don't get it.....nor will they ever!! You my friend should turn off the talk radio....and take a good look around.....those idiots...are the one's ruining our country!!

Oh...and bring a keg....for me...one for you...if you think your leatherneck liver can keep up!! ;)

[commbubba]

I'll drink to that BUD/S 184. Hooyah SEAL Teams/ UDT old and new!!

[Shar36]

Oh...and bring a keg....for me...one for you...if you think your leatherneck liver can keep up!! ;)

Pitchers of margarita's for me....if you please! We shall see whose liver is thirstier! And, I'll be more than happy to pay the tab. That will be money well spent!

~Shar

[bud/s 184]

Pitchers of margarita's for me....if you please! We shall see whose liver is thirstier! And, I'll be more than happy to pay the tab. That will be money well spent!

~Shar

my liver....needs a little tequila hydration! it's parched...and motivated!!

[Shar36]

my liver....needs a little tequila hydration! it's parched...and motivated!!

Mine is more than ready for drenching. I have many to toss back for several people and it is gonna take a bunch of pitchers to fulfill those commitments.

In the meantime, you may want to take your's for a little swim in the keg while waiting for the tequila hydration.

[Illmaxic]

Don't ever challenge me again you hippie spawn (illnumbnut). This is my last post with you because your ranting and crying is getting boring. If you ever make the bad decision of indeed joining my Marine Corps, your attitude will be adjusted, I guarantee.

Listen up, I am THE challenger. And I am THE billy bad @ss. I've seen people like you come and go for a while now. You all do the same thing. Flying high on a wave of unmerited righteousness spewing your "facts" (which by the way ARE NOT facts if you DO NOT have EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS!) clear enough for you?

I see liberalism as destroying the foundations and institutions that made this country great.

Really? that's funny because the foundations and instutions that make this country great all come from one piece of parchment. The Constitution of the United States of America. And my poorly informed friend, I got news for you, it's the conservatives and ole georgie, not the liberals, that completely disregard and are "destroying the foundations and institutions that made this country great"



No, 9/11 was an inside job, right ill? Bush knew. Bush lied, people died right stud boy? Maybe you'll understand the meaning of respect after you slime through basic. Then again, you might be that 10%.

poor bubba, I guess they stopped teaching reading comprehension before you got to Camp P. Because I know what I believe and I know what I said, and not once did I even hint to 9/11 being an inside job. All was said about that was you said i should use that hate towards bin laden, and I whole heartedly agreed and posed a counter question towards you, which you conveniently neglected to answer. So, I'll ask you again. If focusing our hate on bin laden is what we should be doing, why are all our resources and efforts being put into NOT finding Bin Laden? what are doing in iraq? bin laden is not in iraq? is---that---clear---e---nough-for---you??????????

Oh, and don't worry, I would never join the corp, I think i've already demonstrated I'm much smarter than you were.

[Illmaxic]

And the judges have come to a decision... "attention please. coming in at his 700th post, by unanimous decision, the winner and STILL heavy weight champion of the woooooooooooooooooooooooorld..... ILL MAXIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC!" *cheers* *cheers* *cheers*

[Illmaxic]

obviously there is no besting me. I am cut above the rest. Except for maybe 184, who manages to always kill it. I don't believe he needs my help

[Shar36]

If you wish to debate this issue, have at it. However, you will do it in a respectful manner. ****iness is very unbecoming.

[Illmaxic]

i'm sorry shar, you know i don't wanna be on your bad side ;) I couldn't help myself. If you noticed, and i know you do because we have been posting together long enough, i am ALWAYS respectful to everyone I come across, UNTIL they give me a reason not to be respectful, and even after that, I am usually still respectful, and well, i was given plenty of reasons on this thread, and trust me, I went easy here. And that wasn't me being c0cky shar, that was Michael Buffer announcing the winner!

[Shar36]

i'm sorry shar, you know i don't wanna be on your bad side ;) I couldn't help myself. If you noticed, and i know you do because we have been posting together long enough, i am ALWAYS respectful to everyone I come across, UNTIL they give me a reason not to be respectful, and even after that, I am usually still respectful, and well, i was given plenty of reasons on this thread, and trust me, I went easy here. And that wasn't me being c0cky shar, that was Michael Buffer announcing the winner!

Illi, you aren't on my bad side. I wear 2 hats here now; one as an Administrator and the other as a Supporting Member. I have absolutely no problem with members discussing their views on any subject. There is however a way to get your point across without attempting to light a fire under another member's ***.

This thread is in the General Talk Lounge and I don't want to have to move it to a Premium Forum. NSC is a DFZ (drama free zone). Sometimes it is best to take the high road and use the PM feature.

I'll take back the ****iness and say...stop gloating! That's unbecoming as well. ;)

~Shar

[reluhcs]

AHAHAHAHA! Man you guys are funny! Everyone has an opinion. Wow, I should check in on the forum more often, I haven't been in the forums for months. Hey guys, I was always under the impression that most service members are conservative. Am I horribly wrong or something? And wow 184, you have and interesting way of putting things. I'll tell you all that I'm a conservative right now, but that doesn't mean we have to fight.

[Illmaxic]

lol, i suppose i am known for bustin balls on here shar hehe all in good fun....however, you must admit, i am damn good at it...

[Shar36]

lol, i suppose i am known for bustin balls on here shar hehe all in good fun....however, you must admit, i am damn good at it...

Nice try illi! I won't confirm or deny. I'll simply say that I've seen better and worse. ;)

~Shar

[jumpingbum]

No, 9/11 was an inside job, right ill? Bush knew. Bush lied, people died right stud boy? Maybe you'll understand the meaning of respect after you slime through basic. Then again, you might be that 10%.

Well, there actually is some evidence about this. I'm a scientist, so my jury is still out, but when a "jet" crashes into the only side of a building where NO ONE is working and the grass STILL looks like a 'putting green?' When secret service come running out of the building and confiscate EVERY video tape in all surveillance cameras surrounding the place, then YES I wonder if it was an inside job...

[jumpingbum]

Recognizing "THOSE WHO SERVED"

Not to mention Mike Lumpkin Former Navy SEAL (Democrat) http://lumpkinforcongress.com/ Bob Kerry Navy SEAL (Medal Of Honor) former Democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29) Governor of Nebraska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_of_Nebraska) from 1983 to 1987 and a U.S. Senator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate) from Nebraska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska) (1989–2001). ..Jesse Ventura (Independant)!!

I always say...show me a blow hard Republican and 9 times out of 10...they didn't serve their Country!!

Ya'll may not like John Kerry, but he did GO to Vietnam. Seems to me George W. Bush spent that era in the National Guard in the states was it? Of COURSE he had a better GPA.

[dbednar]

This is in response to BUD/S 184.

Normally I would not respond to such a childish conversation, but I feel compelled by the very fact that children are no doubt watching. SEALs are idolized and given the highest of respect, as they should be. They sacrifice to defend, protect, and preserve the Constitution of the United States. And insodoing they go beyond the normal call of duty and commit themselves in ways that most men can’t even imagine. They deserve a humble bow from us all.

With that said, you, sir, disgust me. I have a sincere respect and admiration for what you were able to accomplish on Coronado island, but it seems you didn’t learn much after that, which is truly unfortunate.

Do you not realize that on this site you represent the SEAL community? There are many impressionable young men on this site looking at guys like you as a role model, and yet you conduct yourself in such a brazen and frankly ignorant way. Is your mind so small that you cannot express yourself without using such forceful and vulgar language?

You are doing a very poor job representing your community. I would suggest you think before opening your mouth. “Is what I’m about to say going to make SEALs look good or bad?”

Now, regarding the content of your post, I have a few comments.
For starters your argument is totally asinine and is also frankly a big, fat, lie. And this shouldn’t be a surprise because you didn’t come up with any of that yourself. So right off the bat you’re misrepresenting yourself. I ran some quick searches on Google and much of what you said, including the big long list of politicians and punits, was copied from others. I doubt that you have any idea who half the people on that list are.

That list is incredibly misleading and was intentionally designed to be.
Here is a statistic for you. Here are all the Republican presidents that we’ve ever had in office. No doubt virtually all of the president preceding Lincoln would have also been Republican, but the party simply hadn’t been created yet.

Every single one of these men served in the U.S. military in one branch or another.

Abraham Lincoln
Andrew Johnson
Ulysses Simpson Grant
Rutherford Birchard Hayes
James Abram Garfield
Chester Alan Arthur
Benjamin Harrison
William McKinley
Theodore Roosevelt
William Howard Taft
Warren Gamaliel Harding
Calvin Coolidge
Herbert Clark Hoover
Dwight David Eisenhower
Richard Milhous Nixon
Gerald Rudolph Ford
Ronald Wilson Reagan
George Herbert Walker Bush
George Walker Bush

If you know your history then you should also know that this is every single Republican president we’ve ever had in the White House. All served in the military, and honorably. The same cannot be said of the Democrats.
How many of the men on this list, who all served in the military, were on that little Republican vs. Democrats list of yours?

Not only does your list ommit a large number of Republicans, including countless many that I could name who serve in the Senate or House, as well as pundits, but the description of everyone’s service is misleading, even derogatory.

For the Democrats medals and awards are listed, compared to derogatory descriptions of the Republicans.

For example, take George H W Bush. The description on your list reads, “Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.” That’s it, that’s all you have to say? How about the fact that he flew over 58 combat missions, received the distinguished flying cross, three air medals, and a presidential unit citation.
Compare that to John Kerry who is described as “Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V Purple Hearts.” So for John Kerry rank and awards are listed and for Bush you just say “yeah, he got shot down by the Japanese”

I’m not even going to waste my time going into what a slime, a liar, and a backstabber John Kerry was. That man has never served his country in any form. From day one that guy has been all about himself. He served with the intent of a political career. He stabbed his brothers in the back and spat on everything the U.S. military stands for.

And then how about another example. For President Reagan the list reads, “due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.” Wow, that sure is a belittlement. It’s technically true, but it’s very misleading. The guy was a Captain in the Army Air Force. He intently trained and pushed for combat duty, but they wouldn’t let him because of his eyes. So then he served in a PR role, doing what he could.

Now let’s compare that with another Democrat, one that served as President, Bill Clinton. The list reads “Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received 311.” Do I even need to point out how misleading this is. It is a very well and overdocumented fact that Clinton was a huge draft dodger. And of course he also participated in a lot of anti-war stuff back in those days.

Your list is trash and I’ll continue to shred it if you’d like me to.
And what was the point of the list anyway? Republicans are the warmongers? Really, news to me. Let’s count the wars that the U.S. has gotten involved with because of Democrats, uh, let’s see: World War I, World War II, Korean War, and Vietnam War. Not classified as wars, but other interesting conflicts include Iran Hostage Crises, Kosovo/Bosnia, Nigeria, Somalia (black hawk down), Haiti, and a long list of other interventionist screwups, mostly by Clinton and Carter.

Are there good Democrats? Of course. I liked JFK. I think he was a good guy. And it's also important to point out that being a Democrat was completely different in the time of FDR and JFK than it is today. The party is completely different.

But the bottom line here is, who cares? The United States does not have a mandatory military service. I agree with you 100% that I’d like to see more people serving, but we also don’t need them. Last time I checked we were getting the people we need.

There are many, many ways to serve one’s country, and the military is but one of them. We need people out there actually inventing things and producing things so that we have an economy first of all. There are a lot of people who ought to be barred from military service because they are too important to the country in other fields of labor.

The Republican vs. Democrat issue has absolutely nothing to do with military service and nothing to do with starting wars. It has to do with liberty and freedom. It has to do with defending the republic. Democrats are socialists. Their whole mantra is income redistribution. Steal from those who actually earn the money and distribute it to the so-called unfortunate. No private property. No free speech. No right to bear arms. Government-forced education. Gay marriage. Attacking the Boy Scouts for not wanting pedofile scout masters. This is what the Dems stand for. This is the party of “change.” Sure, they do want change, but you all are so busy having an orgasm over that work that you don’t bother to ask “what change?”
And most active duty military personell know this, and that’s why nearly 80% of active duty military vote Republican.

If a person stands for evil, who cares if they served in the military? By your logic Osama bin Laden and the other terrorists are more honorable than Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity because he has actually served in the military and even in combat. You’re an idiot. You’re just jealous and insecure about the fact that even though neither Limbaugh or Hannity have served in uniform they have done far more for this country than you could ever hope to. Sure, you survived BUD/S, but you don’t have the brains or moral character to do what they do. Their influence for good dwarfs you.

BUD/S 184, I would advise you to do a little more reading and thinking and a little less cut-and-pasting. Have a good one.

[dbednar]

Here is another quick addition for you guys who like statistics. This is old but check out this tally. Regarding military service among House members: "92 republicans, 64 (I was off by two) democrats and 2 independents. Move over, there are 9 congressmen who are still in the reserves, all republicans."

Also, "Look at the democrats. Most served in WW2 or Korea. Ted Kennedy was an example. As soon as the draft stopped, elected democrats stopped serving."

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.bush/msg/369a8c188ed91e9a

How about we open up Excel and do a fresh count on the current Senate and Congress. And especially see Republican vs. Democrat post-Vietnam. Anybody want to place some bets?

[Ambassador]

dbednar -- Go directly to the first link I've put here. Once you have completed reading it, click on the second link and make your introduction post in that thread.

http://www.navyseals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=198261#post198261

http://www.navyseals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159848

Ambassador

[Shar36]

This is in response to BUD/S 184.

Normally I would not respond to such a childish conversation, but I feel compelled by the very fact that children are no doubt watching. SEALs are idolized and given the highest of respect, as they should be. They sacrifice to defend, protect, and preserve the Constitution of the United States. And insodoing they go beyond the normal call of duty and commit themselves in ways that most men can’t even imagine. They deserve a humble bow from us all.

With that said, you, sir, disgust me. I have a sincere respect and admiration for what you were able to accomplish on Coronado island, but it seems you didn’t learn much after that, which is truly unfortunate.

Do you not realize that on this site you represent the SEAL community? There are many impressionable young men on this site looking at guys like you as a role model, and yet you conduct yourself in such a brazen and frankly ignorant way. Is your mind so small that you cannot express yourself without using such forceful and vulgar language?

You are doing a very poor job representing your community. I would suggest you think before opening your mouth. “Is what I’m about to say going to make SEALs look good or bad?”

You’re an idiot. You’re just jealous and insecure about the fact that even though neither Limbaugh or Hannity have served in uniform they have done far more for this country than you could ever hope to. Sure, you survived BUD/S, but you don’t have the brains or moral character to do what they do. Their influence for good dwarfs you.

BUD/S 184, I would advise you to do a little more reading and thinking and a little less cut-and-pasting. Have a good one.

Your first post certainly was a banner one dbednar. Now I'm going to comment on these particular parts of your post above.

Yes, there are many younger males on this site who come here to learn as much as they possibly can before heading off to BUD/s. You will be hard pressed to find members here who don't hold bud/s 184 in high regard.

How would you know what bud/s 184 learned or what he did after graduating the Honor Man of his class? The fact is that you don't have a clue. So perhaps you should refrain from making any statement to the contrary.

As an Administrator, I'm able to see what is added/removed from posts. Considering what Ambassador edited out, you have absolutely no room to talk about another members language. You conducted yourself in a manner that completely contradicts what you've posted above.

If you had bothered to read more than just a few of bud/s 184's posts, you would know that he is well respected here. His contributions to the site are also very much appreciated. And, you are way off base with saying that he does a poor job of representing the SEAL community. Frankly, you don't know what your talking about there either. I strongly suggest that you think before your fingers hit the keyboard again.

Calling him an idiot, jealous, insecure, without brains and lacking moral character is what...adult behavior? Not in my book and not by a long shot.

Shar

[Illmaxic]

With that said, you, sir, disgust me. I have a sincere respect and admiration for what you were able to accomplish on Coronado island, but it seems you didn’t learn much after that, which is truly unfortunate.

Do you not realize that on this site you represent the SEAL community? There are many impressionable young men on this site looking at guys like you as a role model, and yet you conduct yourself in such a brazen and frankly ignorant way. Is your mind so small that you cannot express yourself without using such forceful and vulgar language?

***Pal, you don't know ANYTHING about the SEAL community. These guys were sailors first, and don't you know sailors swear??? ******* hahhaha***

You are doing a very poor job representing your community. I would suggest you think before opening your mouth. “Is what I’m about to say going to make SEALs look good or bad?”

***What is this? what would jesus do? come on now son, this is the begining of your long winded post and you are already grasping here.***


I’m not even going to waste my time going into what a slime, a liar, and a backstabber John Kerry was. THAT MAN HAS NEVER SERVED HIS COUNTRY IN ANY FORM. From day one that guy has been all about himself. He served with the intent of a political career. He stabbed his brothers in the back and spat on everything the U.S. military stands for.

***really? he never served in any form? I'm surprised you have the balls to even put President Georgie Dubya at the bottom of that list, then go on to say that John Kerry never served. Lol, eat a lot of paint chips as a child did we?***


Your list is trash and I’ll continue to shred it if you’d like me to.
And what was the point of the list anyway? Republicans are the warmongers? The party is completely different.

*** This arguement is complete BULL****. But you are absolutely right about one thing, the party is completely different. In fact, its almost like they just switched sides. So if thats the case, then I guess you could say the republicans were really like democrats back then and vice versa. That being said, then I guess the democrats back then would really be like the republicans now. correct? so in reality, yes, the were the warmongers the whole time.***

But the bottom line here is, who cares? The United States does not have a mandatory military service. I agree with you 100% that I’d like to see more people serving, but we also don’t need them. Last time I checked we were getting the people we need.

*** you really don't get out much. last time i checked, there was talks about reinstituting a draft. You think they are talking about this because we are, as you put it, "getting the people we need." i'm just going to start callin you swiss cheese son, because thats what you are starting to look like.***

You’re an idiot. You’re just jealous and insecure about the fact that even though neither Limbaugh or Hannity have served in uniform they have done far more for this country than you could ever hope to. Sure, you survived BUD/S, but you don’t have the brains or moral character to do what they do. Their influence for good dwarfs you.

*** that is a US Navy SEAL you are calling an idiot. He, in my humble opinion, and rest assured my humble opinion reflects what a lot of people on here think, has the right to say whatever the hell he feels like. He did more than survive BUD/S, he actually fought for his country, which is more than a lot of people can say. And he fought in way your very small difficult information processing brain could ever imagine. You are on a site that is Navy SEALs.com you don't have to like it, but at the very least, you WILL show respect to those who have sacrificed far more than you have. And i am not grasping when I say that you keep it up, you may just win a one way ticket to exile. ***



HAHAHHA this is one big joke. First you are insulting a member of these boards who is held in the highest regard not just by myself, but by many many others on this board. You will find, little one who talks big, that you have just outnumbered yourself. BUD/S 184 probably accomplished more in his 6 months at BUD/S then you ever did in your life.

[oldswabbie]

This is in response to BUD/S 184.



Dbednar ~ This is in response to YOU...except the difference is I am a Moderator and I can make you go away for a very long time...Listen up....

There are ways of disagreeing with someone and discussing something and then are ways to totally do it the wrong way - you chose Door Number 2. People disagree on here all the time. I know some of the facts that bud/s put up were from a liberal website that was skewing stuff and not putting in all the Republican stats. No big deal.. what does it matter? Instead.. you attack his service, credibility his standing..everything because you disagree with his political viewpoint!

DUDE, I am NOT A HAPPY CAMPER. I consider Bud/s 184 (honorman) to be a Friend. You do not know what he did in his Naval career or the sacrifices he made. I will not stand for this.

Bud/s 184 is MY FRIEND... no questions. I would suggest you think long and hard before attacking ANYONE on this site... ESPECIALLY someone such as bud/s184.

This site is an invaluable resource as well as a great and fun place to come and be with friends ...dont blow it.


OldSwabbie

[huyah_dan18]

This is in response to BUD/S 184.

....... (Deletion by Dan18 for relevance)
That list is incredibly misleading and was intentionally designed to be.
Here is a statistic for you. Here are all the Republican presidents that we’ve ever had in office. No doubt virtually all of the president preceding Lincoln would have also been Republican, but the party simply hadn’t been created yet.

Every single one of these men served in the U.S. military in one branch or another.

Abraham Lincoln
Andrew Johnson
Ulysses Simpson Grant
Rutherford Birchard Hayes
James Abram Garfield
Chester Alan Arthur
Benjamin Harrison
William McKinley
Theodore Roosevelt
William Howard Taft
Warren Gamaliel Harding
Calvin Coolidge
Herbert Clark Hoover
Dwight David Eisenhower
Richard Milhous Nixon
Gerald Rudolph Ford
Ronald Wilson Reagan
George Herbert Walker Bush
George Walker Bush

-----(Deletion by Dan18 for relevance.)
BUD/S 184, I would advise you to do a little more reading and thinking and a little less cut-and-pasting. Have a good one.

DBEDNAR

I checked your link. It is to an on-line conversation between unidentified people. It is not credible evidence.

I direct your attention to MSN Live Search and cut and past the follow link:
to www.magweb.com/sample/wl020pre.htm

Unlike your list, it shows NO military service for the following presidents:

William H. Taft Ohio 4 Mar 1909 4 Mar 1913 No record of service. .
Warren G. Harding Ohio 4 Mar 1921 2 Aug 1923 No record of service.
Calvin Coolidge Mass 3 Aug 1923 4 Mar 1929 No record of service.
Herbert Hoover Calif 4 Mar 1929 4 Mar 1933 No record of service.

I checked BUDS/184 list by randomly selecting listees. I found no errors. I sent this information to him by PM b/c I did not want to get involved in this. Broad sweeping statements unsupported by facts should, in my view, be brought to the attention of the reader.

Dan18
.

[OddBall]

dbedbug,....

You`re kidding right,....Limbaugh....He can`t control his weight ,let alone his influence. This is the same guy that for more than ten years be-littled, shamed, punished, and exposed all the drug takeing, politically influencial, something to hide hypocrits out there, ........on public radio,......until being caught as one himself,....crying for forgiveness, begging for help and allowed to return to the public eye as a reformed man !! Then cheating on that,.....And speaking of cheating,....you claim to honor and respect JFK,...the one who was shoveing it up Monroes` anal cavity in Eurpoe while his wife was in Boston enjoying the Cape !!......This same man takes the credit for moving Warships around Cuba that he knows nothing about,....

....Takeing the credit and cheating are your friends,....You need to be bathed,...then brought to me !!

[OddBall]

Come,....you can pick on my spelling !!!.....

[gf273]

Ok now some ungrateful shroom eating hippy piece of **** spitting on soldiers, that just pisses me off.


My mom remembers the Vietnam war and how our troops were treated. She says it still p's her off to talk about it or think about it. Some of her best friends came back in body bags from that war. To this day she can't stand Jane Fonda. She said no amount of apologies will make up for what she did. :mad:

My granddad was a Marine in Korea. Trained at PI. I respect him more than any other man alive, even my own dad. He's still tough as nails at 74. He joined at 16 after finding his father dead and had to suddenly support 9 siblings. 16 years old. I can't even imagine. :eek:

I don't know why I said all that except to say I love our military and respect those men and women like no other!!

[gf273]

Come,....you can pick on my spelling !!!.....

Hahahaha :D

[Shar36]

dbedbug,....

You`re kidding right,....Limbaugh....He can`t control his weight ,let alone his influence. This is the same guy that for more than ten years be-littled, shamed, punished, and exposed all the drug takeing, politically influencial, something to hide hypocrits out there, ........on public radio,......until being caught as one himself,....crying for forgiveness, begging for help and allowed to return to the public eye as a reformed man !! Then cheating on that,.....And speaking of cheating,....you claim to honor and respect JFK,...the one who was shoveing it up Monroes` anal cavity in Eurpoe while his wife was in Boston enjoying the Cape !!......This same man takes the credit for moving Warships around Cuba that he knows nothing about,....

....Takeing the credit and cheating are your friends,....You need to be bathed,...then brought to me !!

Priceless OB!

Come,....you can pick on my spelling !!!.....

I can fix it for you if you would like me to.

[ma929tt]

I understand this site is dedicated to Navy SEALs but just because one person is a Navy SEAL that doesn't give him the right to show disrespect to others. We are all PEOPLE, after all. And it isn't really fair that everyone jumps one one guy who expresses his opinion and leaves the other guy alone just because he is a Navy SEAL and a friend of the moderators. Seriously. Everyone has a right to his/her opinion, not everyone is going to agree with each other and that is what makes interesting reading.

This whole liberal vs conservative thread that we have going on here contains a lot of information. And I know moderators are worried about the kids that come here and that they may form their opinions based on something that is said here, and that is true. But information is the basis for decision making and arguments (emotionally controlled) are a means of dispersing many different views and different sources of information and for those reading the forums they can see an issue from many perspectives.

The young ones on the forums are going to get their information that they base their beliefs (on certain issues) on from somewhere, it might as well be from the intelligent, experienced community on these boards.

As far as Bush goes;
Yeah, he's made some bad decisions. But the one thing I want to point out is that his decisions were backed by congress: a democrat-majority congress.
And a side note, my grandpa is the HUGEST liberal ever. I mean he calls into the talk shows, writes in the local papers, and watches all the liberal television programs... And he's voting for McCain. Why? Because for the first time in his life he believes the republican parties proposed policies best the democratic policies and he also believes in having an experienced, older president - especially one that has served (my grandpa served in the Navy). I'm just saying that opinions change. Voting liberal or conservative based solely on your dedication to either 'movement' is not going to help the country as much as voting based on your beliefs and analyzing the candidates beliefs, policies, and attitudes.

Straight up from the mouth of Matt.

Peace

[Illmaxic]

you are absolutely right, kids on here can see this and formulate their own beliefs based on what they read. That being said, I obligated to make sure that the information they read is correct and not distorted, which is exactly why I posted on this thread.

[Illmaxic]

oh, one more thing, you are wrong about BUD/S, yes he can say whatever he wants and yes he can do whatever he wants.

[oldswabbie]

My mom remembers the Vietnam war and how our troops were treated. She says it still p's her off to talk about it or think about it. Some of her best friends came back in body bags from that war. To this day she can't stand Jane Fonda. She said no amount of apologies will make up for what she did. :mad:

My granddad was a Marine in Korea. Trained at PI. I respect him more than any other man alive, even my own dad. He's still tough as nails at 74. He joined at 16 after finding his father dead and had to suddenly support 9 siblings. 16 years old. I can't even imagine. :eek:

I don't know why I said all that except to say I love our military and respect those men and women like no other!!


Like I said GF, It lasted long after the war... I was in RM "A" School in San Diego in 76, got spit on in the airport when I was leaving.. that would actually make it uh.. around.. Feb 77? Two years after Siagon fell and 4 years since ALL our Combat troops were withdrawn from Vietnam... We STILL had these morons walking around calling us baby killers. I do vaguely remember some people's faces after I had slugged the guy a couple of times and he hit the wall and slid down, i picked my seabag up and was walking away.. quickly because I didnt want to get arrested...after all I DID strike him first. I just remember some faces had a disgusted look on them as I walked by.. not sure if it was toward me, probably was. We were NOT liked well at all back in the mid 70's.. ESPECIALLY in California. I think they grew "peace nuts" out there on the beach everywhere.. LOL:D



OldSwabbie

[ma929tt]

oh, one more thing, you are wrong about BUD/S, yes he can say whatever he wants and yes he can do whatever he wants.


I agree. But so should everyone else (especially when they are defending themselves) without being jumped on all the time.

Matt

[Illmaxic]

one more thing...


As far as Bush goes;
Yeah, he's made some bad decisions. But the one thing I want to point out is that his decisions were backed by congress: a democrat-majority congress.





actually matt, through the first six years of President Bush's tenure, it was a REPUBLICAN majority congress and they pushed through any legislation they liked... So maybe these bad decisions you are talking about were really made by the rupublicans... sooooo, not trying to change your mind about anything here, i'm just sayin...examine the facts laid before you.

[Shar36]

I understand this site is dedicated to Navy SEALs but just because one person is a Navy SEAL that doesn't give him the right to show disrespect to others. We are all PEOPLE, after all. And it isn't really fair that everyone jumps one one guy who expresses his opinion and leaves the other guy alone just because he is a Navy SEAL and a friend of the moderators. Seriously. Everyone has a right to his/her opinion, not everyone is going to agree with each other and that is what makes interesting reading.

Straight up from the mouth of Matt.

Matt...here it is straight up. All SEALs and BTDT's on this site are given leeway with their posts. Why? Because they have EARNED that right. They are allowed to throw more sand, sling more mud and post in a more colorful manner.

It has nothing to do with whether they are friends or not with any Moderator and/or Administrator.

~Shar

[ma929tt]

I was actually unaware of that, for some reason I thought it was democrat the whole time. Thanks for the update.
Matt

one more thing...





actually matt, through the first six years of President Bush's tenure, it was a REPUBLICAN majority congress and they pushed through any legislation they liked... So maybe these bad decisions you are talking about were really made by the rupublicans... sooooo, not trying to change your mind about anything here, i'm just sayin...examine the facts laid before you.

[ma929tt]

Got it.

Matt

Matt...here it is straight up. All SEALs and BTDT's on this site are given leeway with their posts. Why? Because they have EARNED that right. They are allowed to throw more sand, sling more mud and post in a more colorful manner.

It has nothing to do with whether they are friends or not with any Moderator and/or Administrator.

~Shar

[Illmaxic]

whoa, i really, really, REALLY hope that last sentence was just a terrible joke... you're entering a world of pain... a world of pain...

[ma929tt]

That was a really bad idea my friend. If you look through his posts it is clear that he is. Many of the people on here vouch for him. Heck, if you even read all of the responses in this thread it would be clear to you that he is. You best be apologizing now before more people jump all over your ***.

Just a heads up
Matt

[Illmaxic]

haha if i were him i would be less worried about people jumping all over his ***, and more worried about 184 jumping all over his ***.

[oldswabbie]

BUD/S 184: While my Uncle advised me against Naval service, he was 30 yr swabbie, 2 Silver, 2 Bronze, 4 Purple Hearts, I can not believe you actually are a SEAL. Through my Air Force service, I knew many, and none, and I mean NONE gave the type of bearing that you do. I sir, stand here and call you a Fraud.

WHOA! HEY BUBBA.... WHO THE HELL ARE YOU? You have no idea who bud/s 184 is.. and NO HE IS NOT A FRAUD.. IS A REAL NAVY SEAL. YOU HAVE EXACTLY 30 Minutes to issue an apology or I will pull a Ban so fast on you that your head will swim.. GOT IT!

NOBODY CALLS OUT ANYONE ON THIS FORUM. IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMEBODY YOU COME TO A MODERATOR. And apparently you havent had alot of experience with Navy SEALS like I or others have or you wouldnt have even made that statement.

THE CLOCK IS TICKING

NOT ONLY THAT.. YOU CANT EVEN FOLLOW DIRECTIONS. YOU DID NOT POST AN INTRODUCTION EITHER. I MAY BAN YOUR A$$ FOR GENERAL PURPOSES AND BECAUSE BUD/S 184 IS MY FRIEND .. BECAUSE OF THAT ~ YOU ONLY HAVE 15 MINUTES BEFORE I BAN YOU....

OldSwabbie

[Illmaxic]

i can't believe this guy, he comes on here, and says "i have picked up the weapon, mounted the wall, and stood the watch." Then he posts that he stood his guard in the Air Force and proceedes to call 184 a capital F fraud!!!!!!!!!! lmao

[oldswabbie]

i can't believe this guy, he comes on here, and says "i have picked up the weapon, mounted the wall, and stood the watch." Then he posts that he stood his guard in the Air Force and proceedes to call 184 a capital F fraud!!!!!!!!!! lmao

Yea, Typical BullSH1t...I've heard it a Million times.. the more I think about it more PISSED OFF I get at the audacity of this numbnutz.


OldSwabbie

[Illmaxic]

yes, this aint no audacity of hope, this is the audacity of dope!

[oldswabbie]

Hell with it.. I banned him.. he doesnt deserve a chance...he didnt even introduce himself. As far as I am concerned he is an Internet TROLL...and a Retard...

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n412/oldswabbie/Funny/Comedy.jpg




OldSwabbie

[Illmaxic]

lol, i think you should lift the ban... i'm very interested to see what he has to say to 184... maybe a little humility would be good for this moron

[oldswabbie]

Its beyond me how someone can get onto a site like this not knowing ANYONE and start running their mouth like that and calling someone out.. especially someone like a Navy SEAL. Again, this guy is a Retard...and to think that I wouldnt bust his A$$ for saying that about someone who is respected here and is a friend to just about every single one of us.

GEEZZZ... OH.. by the way.. thanks Dan18.. I appreciate the heads up on this guy.

I'm still too pissed off at him right now.. maybe later.. But only IF Bud/s says so.. he was the one insulted.


OldSwabbie

[huyah_dan18]

I think it is someone already registered in the NSC community. They just wanted to stir something up.

Dan18

[searles72]

Hey Swabbie, great job....just sitting here shaking my head and chuckling....I think Illy has a point maybe you should unban him bc god would I love to see what Buds184 does for the beating! :p Good thing, I do believe our good friend is enjoying his vacation time....just wait till he gets back!;)

[oldswabbie]

Dang, I was actually having a NICE afternoon at work when I got the alert email about improper post on the forum. When I logged on and saw that crap I SAW RED. It is beyond my comprehension how people can think they are so smug as to get on a strange forum and say stuff like that is crazy! I saw almost exactly the same kind of a post on another forum - actually from a guy in the same Military Service.. got on and went ballistic on everyone .. his 1st post. He started out with telling all of them that they were boy scouts, they had never done spec ops and wouldnt know it if they saw it. He said they were making all this up in their minds etc. The guys actually tried talking to him because he was an RVN vet.. but the idiot wouldnt listen... he thought they were nothing...when in reality they WERE SPEC OPS.

The guy was a RVN vet too! I read this or I wouldnt have believed it. Sounds like someone with an inferiority complex if you ask me... same in this case too. He said he has known "many SEALS". I would lay money this man has never laid eyes on a REAL Navy SEAL nor has he ever even Spoken to one. Now that he actually HAS met one on the forum he had no idea what to make of it.. it didnt FIT HIS image of what a Navy SEAL was. Again - He was Full of Sh1t. The odds of him having known MANY SEALS is REMOTE. Most Sailors dont get to interact with SEALS that often. Other than bootcamp, I didnt meet any until the last 8 months I was in...that was 3 years. Jason my stepson just spent 4 years in and was going into EOD, he only got to meet 2 SEALS the whole time he was in.


OldSwabbie

[gf273]

Hell with it.. I banned him.. he doesnt deserve a chance...he didnt even introduce himself. As far as I am concerned he is an Internet TROLL...and a Retard...

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n412/oldswabbie/Funny/Comedy.jpg




OldSwabbie


BAHAHAHA You always put the best things up, Swabbie!

Shar must not have her laptop with her or she would have beat you to the ban.:D

[gf273]

I think it is someone already registered in the NSC community. They just wanted to stir something up.

Dan18


Ip's can be checked....right?

[bud/s 184]

Its beyond me how someone can get onto a site like this not knowing ANYONE and start running their mouth like that and calling someone out.. especially someone like a Navy SEAL. Again, this guy is a Retard...and to think that I wouldnt bust his A$$ for saying that about someone who is respected here and is a friend to just about every single one of us.

GEEZZZ... OH.. by the way.. thanks Dan18.. I appreciate the heads up on this guy.

I'm still too pissed off at him right now.. maybe later.. But only IF Bud/s says so.. he was the one insulted.


OldSwabbie

Hey thanks for having my back my Navy brother swab...not to mention Illy....no worries....this kid don't sweat me!! I Have no doubt I make more dough..have better looking girlfriends....and have a much Ill'r crib than him....bearing or not.....and as gf184....oops....273 would say.....Bahahahahahaha!!!!! Oh....and my liver is world class....shar can verify!!!

[gf273]

Hey thanks for having my back my Navy brother swab...not to mention Illy....no worries....this kid don't sweat me!! I Have no doubt I make more dough..have better looking girlfriends....and have a much Ill'r crib than him....bearing or not.....and as gf184....oops....273 would say.....Bahahahahahaha!!!!! Oh....and my liver is world class....shar can verify!!!



Oh lawd. You're gonna get me killed. :)

[bud/s 184]

Oh lawd. You're gonna get me killed. :)

I beg ta diffa.....Bahahahahaha!!! Oh n I saw boo today!! :) At the CTT!!

[searles72]

I heard that too! So the liver is good???? Nice pic....lol:p

[Shar36]

BUD/S 184: While my Uncle advised me against Naval service, he was 30 yr swabbie, 2 Silver, 2 Bronze, 4 Purple Hearts, I can not believe you actually are a SEAL. Through my Air Force service, I knew many, and none, and I mean NONE gave the type of bearing that you do. I sir, stand here and call you a Fraud.

Dude, bud/s 184 is the REAL DEAL! I was also with him today and you don't get more real than he is...you are such a TOOL!

~Shar

BAHAHAHA You always put the best things up, Swabbie!

Shar must not have her laptop with her or she would have beat you to the ban.:D

hey gf184....woops....i mean 273! Yeah you can bet your cute lil smile I'm gonna run his IP and I will track his sorry *** too!

Nope, didn't have the 'puter with me today....was too busy watching "boo" over at the CTT today. And, hanging with Frogman80, Rsctt and 184...ya know your future BF! Bahahahaha...Bahahahaha...Bahahahaha!!!!

~Shar

Hey thanks for having my back my Navy brother swab...not to mention Illy....no worries....this kid don't sweat me!! I Have no doubt I make more dough..have better looking girlfriends....and have a much Ill'r crib than him....bearing or not.....and as gf184....oops....273 would say.....Bahahahahahaha!!!!! Oh....and my liver is world class....shar can verify!!!

I'll verify all right! World Class doesn't begin to cover it. If I were to enter a drinkin' comp.....you'd be my first pick as a partner!!!!

NOTHING EFFECTS THIS TEAM GUY!!! HE ROCKS THE ISLAND!!!!

~Shar

How did Sally-in Cali do today 184?

[gf273]

I beg ta diffa.....Bahahahahaha!!! Oh n I saw boo today!! :) At the CTT!!


Somebody kill me. Kill me now. bahahahahaaaa

ex-gf273....:eek:


Did he look exhausted? Is he too skinny? Was he carryin' a big sign that said, I miss *******"? :D

[searles72]

Somebody kill me. Kill me now. bahahahahaaaa

ex-gf273....:eek:


Did he look exhausted? Is he too skinny? Was he carryin' a big sign that said, I miss *******"? :D


tick tick tick....wind me up!!!! and let ya go!!!!!!:eek: LMAO!!!

[gf273]

hey gf184....woops....i mean 273! Yeah you can bet your cute lil smile I'm gonna run his IP and I will track his sorry *** too!

Nope, didn't have the 'puter with me today....was too busy watching "boo" over at the CTT today. And, hanging with Frogman80, Rsctt and 184...ya know your future BF! Bahahahaha...Bahahahaha...Bahahahaha!!!!






OH NO!! 184 has corrupted you, tooooo!! :p

[searles72]

OH NO!! 184 has corrupted you, tooooo!! :p

sorry hun she was already corrupted before 184 and that i KNOW!!!!:D

[gf273]

sorry hun she was already corrupted before 184 and that i KNOW!!!!:D



I know I know! I meant about the gf184 stuff. That's too funny, I don't care who you are. hahaha :D

[Shar36]

Somebody kill me. Kill me now. bahahahahaaaa

ex-gf273....:eek:


Did he look exhausted? Is he too skinny? Was he carryin' a big sign that said, I miss *******"? :D

I would never kill you! You're such a cute lil thang!

I would say he looked very very nervous with some peeps standing there chatting.

OH NO!! 184 has corrupted you, tooooo!! :p

Bahahahaha...Bahahahaha...Bahahahaha! The only thing corrupted right now is my liva!!!!

~Shar

sorry hun she was already corrupted before 184 and that i KNOW!!!!

I'm calling BS on that one!

I know I know! I meant about the gf184 stuff. That's too funny, I don't care who you are. hahaha

Hey...you can't go wrong as gf184...trust me on this one!

~Shar

[gf273]

[quote=Shar36;205203]
I would say he looked very very nervous with some peeps standing there chatting.





I'll bet he says something about it. I have to just act innocent. ;)

[searles72]

I would never kill you! You're such a cute lil thang!

I would say he looked very very nervous with some peeps standing there chatting.



Bahahahaha...Bahahahaha...Bahahahaha! The only thing corrupted right now is my liva!!!!

~Shar

I'm calling BS on that one!



Hey...you can't go wrong as gf184...trust me on this one!

~Shar



And Im a monkeys uncle.....no fibs gf and the only BS is my intials and you know it!!!!!:p

[Shar36]

WHAT? Are you telling me that you aren't innocent?!!! :p I think gf184....you are the one who is corrupt now!

~Shar

[quote=searles72;205211]And Im a monkeys uncle.....no fibs gf and the only BS is my intials and you know it!!!!!:p

I am so NOT corrupt. You know why it is the way it is at the moment and that's all I'm saying here!

Really....a monkeys uncle? Never would have thought of that but thanks for the 411 there!

~Shar

[searles72]

Rolling on the floor here- one umbrella, two umbrellas ...three umbrellas----

DROP!!!!!;)

[Shar36]

Rolling on the floor here- one umbrella, two umbrellas ...three umbrellas----

DROP!!!!!;)

Haha...you a funny ****! And I got ZERO umbrellas today. FTR...I was only ROTFLMAO because of another post! It has nothing to do with any umbrellas or anything else for that matter. Hey....the 3 peeps in the jacuzzi outside and right below my balcony were LTAO too! It's all good as far as I look at it!

~Shar