Asking for your prayers

[jumpingbum]

Faithy wrote the following in a blog.

... I want to address a situation that grows more serious each day. Our older warriors are suffering from the obvious stains of their ages. This is however, compounded by what they have been exposed to; both physically and mentally while serving their Country (and us) throughout the years.

We have friends here at NS.com who we know are suffering these effects. Further, a brother Ranger Advisor from Vietnam who was my immediate CO, and remains one of my best friends, is dying from his continued exposure to Agent Orange (look it up young people).

He recently underwent open heart surgery for CHF, is 90% blind, and Tuesday they amputated his legs due to AO induced diabetes and an un-controllable stapf infection-amputate or die...Friends, he's 62!

I don't know how to do this here, but I want to maybe, within the forum, start a support/prayer group for ALL these warriors, regardless of their branch of service...If you know of someone, tell us and maybe we can write them, pray together-whatever it takes...

I'm not religious and would be the last person in the world to lead this, but I'm sure someone out there can just get it rolling. Does NOT matter what religion you/we are-combined we might just ease some pain. Many vets (young & older) on these sites are alone, and the friends thay make here are their only families.

I'm lucky; I have great health and a super family-sometimes we take that for granted, and don't realize not everyone is so lucky. Nothing worse then being alone when you're hurting (inside and out), because I have been there.

Several of us in my "friends" group have a mutual friend who really needs us right now. Won't identify him, but you know of whom I speak. God's Speed in your recovery from this surgery my brother...But, how many more are out there?


Anyway my hurt is for those suffering alone, or just needing some moral support and spiritual power in recovering...Any feedback would be appreciated. DC

[t t]

I have a friend who suffers from post traumatic stress - he served in the Marines, and is now diagnosed with cancer. It is hard when I see the "mainstream" population make fun of his PTSD - (mainly because they don't understand what this person has been through) - I don't know the exact situations he was involved in - and it is not necessary to know. What I feel is necessary is that he is treated with respect and acceptance, and if he feels comfortable enough, maybe in time, he will be able to talk about or let go of the things that haunt him. That wont happen if he is not supported and befriended in in his time of need.

I also have a family member who can't watch certain programs because they trigger flashbacks of things they would prefer not to remember.

I think the worst feelings are being powerless and alone.

I really don't know how to fix it - that's where I feel powerless, all I can do to be supportive is to be there as a friend and to accept that I don't need to know the exact cause of the PTSD.

I understand the feelings that Faithy expresses when you know that there are those who are suffering alone, I hope this thread helps someone by letting them know that there is a place to be where they are accepted, supported and cared about unconditionally.

Thanks Faithy and Jumping Bum for - not forgetting.

t t

[searles72]

Thanks for posting this thread, very heart wretching....

It touches my heart to see any suffering within our American and Canadian warriors that serve/served our great countries. They are greatly appreciated but my words cant express how much....

My prayers go out to these warriors and wish for a speedy recovery to all.

God speed to all!

[jumpingbum]

There is now a Group where you can go and post - Fireside Chat.

[oldswabbie]

Where's it at Jumpingbum? I've thought about it.. and have prayed about it... I will be willing to head it up.


OldSwabbie

[jumpingbum]

Scroll up on this page It's the ninth word over from 'Community Home', click on Groups. Once you're in Groups go down the right hand column (red letters) to Health, Wellness and Fitness. There are three groups within Health, Wellness and Fitness. I called it 'Fireside Chat.'

[FAITHY]

Count me in! Just talking about this let's others know we care and that they are not alone in the world...

Also looking for "fireside chat..."

[breezybree20022]

I Am touched by the many many people on this site who are not afraid to reach out and touch one another and who support one another. I adore many of the members here.....many I am lucky enough to cal friend......and others I call family..... ( like the crazy sister who you love and makes you laugh uncontrollably) Looks at Barb meaningully...... or the big brother who makes you bust out laughing so hard you spew milk through your nose..... ( looks at Marc and Scott and Sealpup)
The point in this is that many of us are a family and through thick and thin we support and love one another. In good and bad.....

I happen to love this website and the community and will forever support the members of this site and our armed forces.

Smiles
Bree

[oldswabbie]

As we get older we get a little wiser, dont we Pup. Back in the 70's you couldnt get us to say there was a problem.. we didnt have any problems.. Wonder why we have 4 divorces, cant hold jobs.. cant sit with our backs to the doors in restaraunts... naw.. we didnt any problems.. We didnt have to drink them away every weekend and get in fights at the drop of a hat and get reputations of being not very nice people or people that "decent folk" really would have anything to do with. When you finally do start getting things straightened out and go to church (you wonder if the roof is going to fall in) people who KNEW you from 20 years before go to your girlfriends parents and warn them.. Thank God some of them still believed...

Sometimes it takes just someone listening.. thats all. Thats what important, to know someone cares. Thats what Bree was saying - knowing that people accept you even if youre a bit crazy :D

OldSwabbie


OldSwabbie

[fy0834]

Where's it at Jumpingbum? I've thought about it.. and have prayed about it... I will be willing to head it up.


OldSwabbie

Swabbie;

I just met this individual in Montrose, Colorado a few weeks ago. He is an amaising man and promised me he was available should there ever be a need. He has a lot in common with this community. His name is Dave Roever; he is a former Brown Water Black Beret. His website is www.Daveroever.org
He has a great testimony and would be a great inspiration to many in this forum.
What do you think?

[spencefoz]

Count me in.. I'll be praying for our brothers in arms every day... My fathers also a pastor so I know alot... Spiritually/Religiously wise (non denominational christian (AKA Believe ALL of bible..) I am willing to talk to anyone.. pray for anyone and will pray for every person described in these posts and the ones who are not.

[Shar36]

Faithy, your blog blew me away. It is one of, if not the best, I have read on NavySEALs.com. Thank you for that!

jumpingbum, thank you too for this thread and for starting the Fireside Chat Group.

The number of veterans and AD members of our nations Military Branches who feel as though they have no place to go and nobody to turn to, now do because of Faithy and jumpingbum. Thank You both for this.

On a personal front, I would like to publically thank several members of NSC for the unending support you have shown and given to me over the past 3 days. I will not name you because you know who you are. I am eternally grateful for all of your emails, PM's and YM's. Your kind words, prayers and thoughts have meant more to me than words can express. I will be in touch with all of you over the weekend with an update on things. I wholeheartedly Thank You All!

~Shar

[jumpingbum]

Swabbie;

I just met this individual in Montrose, Colorado a few weeks ago. He is an amaising man and promised me he was available should there ever be a need. He has a lot in common with this community. His name is Dave Roever; he is a former Brown Water Black Beret. His website is www.Daveroever.org (http://www.Daveroever.org)
He has a great testimony and would be a great inspiration to many in this forum.
What do you think?

i wish we had continued on with what he had to say. he didn't make a repeat visit to this thread.

[lisalynne10]

"He recently underwent open heart surgery for CHF, is 90% blind, and Tuesday they amputated his legs due to AO induced diabetes and an un-controllable stapf infection-amputate or die...Friends, he's 62!"

That friggin' sucks......at my place of employment I see cases such as this quite often. No matter who or what they are, it's terribly heart wrenching. I give them my utmost respect and every ounce of compassion that I have in me when I take care of them. My prayers go out to each and every one.



ps: Thanks for the post and the Fireside Chat!

[jumpingbum]

PTSD has effects that last for decades and spread from the individual to his/her family and out to the extended family.

[jumpingbum]

Scientifically prayer has been proven to be effective. Fear will annihilate that.

[Shar36]

Very nice to read that you received amazing news 'bum. ~Shar

[FAITHY]

Hi Dennis.

You said in the comments on your blog "Please let us know if you or someone you know needs us" Does that extend to people like me who aren't in the military but could really use good thoughts and prayers right now.

My dad died on Monday. He was 62. I'm discovering a strength I didn't realize I had. Even with an older sister and younger brother I'm the strongest one in the family right now and the person holding it all together. I'm waiting till everyone is asleep before breaking down and crying. I'm living each day minute by minute and I'm assured by my friends that things will get easier it will just be a while though.

Thank you.

Lorraine.

"This was sent to me from "Rainey" who needs some moral support friends...

p.s. My dad was 2nd Battalion Scots Guards in the British Army. He saw service in Germany and Northern Ireland and was on reserve status during the Falklands but didn't get sent over there. He had even volunteered to go to Vietnam had Britain sent forces but they didn't let him go. He spent the last few years of active duty in the 70's as a guard on duty at Windsor Castle and took part in many Trooping the Colors at Horse Guards Parade.

[lisalynne10]

You said in the comments on your blog "Please let us know if you or someone you know needs us" Does that extend to people like me who aren't in the military but could really use good thoughts and prayers right now.

My dad died on Monday. He was 62. I'm discovering a strength I didn't realize I had. Even with an older sister and younger brother I'm the strongest one in the family right now and the person holding it all together. I'm waiting till everyone is asleep before breaking down and crying. I'm living each day minute by minute and I'm assured by my friends that things will get easier it will just be a while though.

Thank you.

Lorraine.

"This was sent to me from "Rainey" who needs some moral support friends...

p.s. My dad was 2nd Battalion Scots Guards in the British Army. He saw service in Germany and Northern Ireland and was on reserve status during the Falklands but didn't get sent over there. He had even volunteered to go to Vietnam had Britain sent forces but they didn't let him go. He spent the last few years of active duty in the 70's as a guard on duty at Windsor Castle and took part in many Trooping the Colors at Horse Guards Parade.


The answer I feel is yes.

Godspeed.......................................... .......

I'm sorry to hear of Rainey's loss.

[Shar36]

Thanks for posting this Dennis. I spoke with Rainey via email shortly after she received the news that her Dad had passed away. Rainey and her family are in my thoughts and prayers.

Rest In Peace and Godspeed...

Do Not WeepMary Frye

Do not stand at my grave and weep,
I am not there, I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow.
I am the diamond glint on snow.
I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the gentle autumn rain.
When you wake in the morning hush,
I am the swift, uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circling flight.
I am the soft starlight at night.
Do not stand at my grave and weep.
I am not there, I do not sleep.
Do not stand at my grave and cry.
I am not there, I did not die!

[oldswabbie]

I am So sorry to hear of her loss, I do Promise to pray for her!

OldSwabbie

[t t]

Please accept my deepest sympathy. I am sorry for your loss.

t t

[FAITHY]

You people are all awesome-this goes to show us all that our friends need someone to talk to when the chips are down. Just talking helps lift the burden and lets those in need realize not only are they not alone in their dispare, but they have friends who will rally to their side. I am so proud to be among you...

[jumpingbum]

I was grateful for this particular thread for one reason: all around me I see the enemy's attempts to destroy. This thread built us up!

[rainey]

Thank you for the prayers and thoughts. I've been taking one day at a time. Having so many friends to talk to and turn to, most of them being internet friends, has given me the strength to hold the family up and be the strong one.It has been a comfort to talk to people who have been in my situation and to know that things do get better. I am now however feeling exhausted. My sister is taking care of the legal situation as she's a lawyer and I have a wonderful husband who has a great boss who has given him this week off in addition to him having last week off. The boss is also making arrangements for my husband to be moved from the late shift he is permanently on to the day shift for a few months. The night times are the worst right now that's when I really miss having my dad here.

I was able to give my sister peace of mind on Sunday. Last Monday when my dad left for work at 5:30am I was still awake. I had been chatting with a friend on YM and watching the repeat of a motor race from Ohio on ESPN. My sister was concerned about whether or not my dad had been ok when he left for work. I got to see my dad as he left so I was able to reassure my sister that dad had been good and well and there was no indication of anything being wrong.

For me personally I'm a little angry at the possibility that I will have to give up my dream of moving to America but that is something that I will think about later when things are settled down. I've already been called selfish for still wanting my dream after what's happened.

We have a wonderful grief counselor only a phone call away which is a great help and he's got lots of advice we're using.

[FAITHY]

First of all, don't give up your dreams-they are what keep us moving forward. Do what you have to dofor those who look for your support during these hard times, but don't forget to take care of yourself. We are here for you and your are in our thoughts and prayers. Be strong, but don't try to hold it all in....

Keep us up to date-we are a apart of YOUR extended family!

[searles72]

Rainey, I'm sorry for your loss...I understand exactly what you are going through...bc I loss my gran last week , who I was very close to.

As Faithy has stated, please do not give up on your dreams...your father would not wanted that for you.

If you need someone to talk to, dont hesitate in emailing me here!

Take care,
Barb

[oldswabbie]

Thank you for the prayers and thoughts. I've been taking one day at a time. Having so many friends to talk to and turn to, most of them being internet friends, has given me the strength to hold the family up and be the strong one.It has been a comfort to talk to people who have been in my situation and to know that things do get better. I am now however feeling exhausted. My sister is taking care of the legal situation as she's a lawyer and I have a wonderful husband who has a great boss who has given him this week off in addition to him having last week off. The boss is also making arrangements for my husband to be moved from the late shift he is permanently on to the day shift for a few months. The night times are the worst right now that's when I really miss having my dad here.

I was able to give my sister peace of mind on Sunday. Last Monday when my dad left for work at 5:30am I was still awake. I had been chatting with a friend on YM and watching the repeat of a motor race from Ohio on ESPN. My sister was concerned about whether or not my dad had been ok when he left for work. I got to see my dad as he left so I was able to reassure my sister that dad had been good and well and there was no indication of anything being wrong.

For me personally I'm a little angry at the possibility that I will have to give up my dream of moving to America but that is something that I will think about later when things are settled down. I've already been called selfish for still wanting my dream after what's happened.

We have a wonderful grief counselor only a phone call away which is a great help and he's got lots of advice we're using.

Rainey..

The Lord is gracious and Kind, His Mercies never end.. His Kindnesses are renewed each morning upon our faces.. His gentle hand reassures us each day that we are cared for.. He cradles us from harm on those times when we are most fearful. The Lord is a strong and Mighty Warrior.. he gives strength to those who's strength is failing as in times such as these. As the enemy would seek to grapple your down with doubts and fears.. the Lord lifts your spirit up with HIS Spirit and places your feet upon the Rock..the Rock of His Salvation.. Christ Jesus.

We are Praying for you... Write anytime you feel, we are here anytime you need us.

~Jim~

[oldswabbie]

Rainey, I'm sorry for your loss...I understand exactly what you are going through...bc I loss my gran last week , who I was very close to.

As Faithy has stated, please do not give up on your dreams...your father would not wanted that for you.

If you need someone to talk to, dont hesitate in emailing me here!

Take care,
Barb

Barb, I didnt know this... I am so sorry..

Jim

[rainey]

Faithy - I would be honored to think of all of you as extended family. I will not let go of or give up the dream, just delay it for a short time. I know my dad would want me to reach out and grab it and hold on tight but he'd also want me to make sure my mom is ok. He was her whole world and right now she's lost without him.

Oldswabbie - Those were beautiful words and I will remember them. On Thursday night while cooking I was convinced beyond a shadow of doubt that I heard my dad laugh when I dropped the spoon. I'd like to believe that that sound was the sign I had asked for on Monday night and not an indication that I'm cracking up.

Barb - I know what you feel, just as you know what I feel. I take after my paternal grandfather with my passion and love of the military and motor racing. The night before he died in March 2004 we shared a special moment. The doctors had told us we had to say our good byes because it was time. My grand father told me that when he got to heaven he'd say hi to 5 people for me. I remember that night and that moment above all the other memories.

[oldswabbie]

Faithy - I would be honored to think of all of you as extended family. I will not let go of or give up the dream, just delay it for a short time. I know my dad would want me to reach out and grab it and hold on tight but he'd also want me to make sure my mom is ok. He was her whole world and right now she's lost without him.

Oldswabbie - Those were beautiful words and I will remember them. On Thursday night while cooking I was convinced beyond a shadow of doubt that I heard my dad laugh when I dropped the spoon. I'd like to believe that that sound was the sign I had asked for on Monday night and not an indication that I'm cracking up.

Barb - I know what you feel, just as you know what I feel. I take after my paternal grandfather with my passion and love of the military and motor racing. The night before he died in March 2004 we shared a special moment. The doctors had told us we had to say our good byes because it was time. My grand father told me that when he got to heaven he'd say hi to 5 people for me. I remember that night and that moment above all the other memories.

Just as Faithy said.. we are here for you anytime!

I'll share a personal story that if I hadnt known it first hand I would be throwning down a BS flag in a second. I dont have time to write it out now but when you read it ~ it will make you smile.. Truly some incredible things can happen when you belong to Christ. Suffice to say if so many people had not witnessed everything.. we would have thought we had all gone crazy. It is THAT "out there", but a tremendously warm and touching story of life and of love that never ends..

Jim

[jumpingbum]

Rainey..

The Lord is gracious and Kind, His Mercies never end.. His Kindnesses are renewed each morning upon our faces.. His gentle hand reassures us each day that we are cared for.. He cradles us from harm on those times when we are most fearful. The Lord is a strong and Mighty Warrior.. he gives strength to those who's strength is failing as in times such as these. As the enemy would seek to grapple your down with doubts and fears.. the Lord lifts your spirit up with HIS Spirit and places your feet upon the Rock..the Rock of His Salvation.. Christ Jesus.

Sounds like a Psalm I once read. I liked that Psalm.

[mcnary21]

I've been on these forums for about quite a while now, but just not posting because most don't pertain to me.

I'm leaving Monday, shipping out Tuesday to San Diego for boot camp for the USMC. Keep me in your thoughts and prayers please.

Please pray for my family, especially my mom as she's having a hard time with me leaving. Please also pray for strength for me during training, and for leadership, as I feel I am a natural leader.

Thanks for your prayers and I'll report back when I'm done.

[lisalynne10]

mcnary......go forth! Good luck and yes, you and your ma will be in my prayers.

[jumpingbum]

I've been on these forums for about quite a while now, but just not posting because most don't pertain to me.

I'm leaving Monday, shipping out Tuesday to San Diego for boot camp for the USMC. Keep me in your thoughts and prayers please.

Please pray for my family, especially my mom as she's having a hard time with me leaving. Please also pray for strength for me during training, and for leadership, as I feel I am a natural leader.

Thanks for your prayers and I'll report back when I'm done.

There is a support and prayer group and I will add your post to the thread, if you're willing.

[oldswabbie]

I've been on these forums for about quite a while now, but just not posting because most don't pertain to me.

I'm leaving Monday, shipping out Tuesday to San Diego for boot camp for the USMC. Keep me in your thoughts and prayers please.

Please pray for my family, especially my mom as she's having a hard time with me leaving. Please also pray for strength for me during training, and for leadership, as I feel I am a natural leader.

Thanks for your prayers and I'll report back when I'm done.

McNary, you'll be fine son. Tell your Mom things will be ok. It's natural to worry though. Marine Boot is a tough thing to go through. Just listen, learn fast and keep your mouth shut unless your DI addresses you. Never call him "You" ~ ewe .. he will say you are calling him a female sheep.. not a good thing! Wall locker time! The gas chamber sucks - but you will live, everyone does... just lots and lots of SNOT...and burning eyes.. :)

You will love the rifle range, its fun.. do well, get your Expert Rifleman badge and you will be VERY glad you did. Take your time when you practice, dont rush it. As a Montana boy you are use to shooting I would imagine? :D

Youre gonna hate Pugil Sticks.. Two on one sucks but it ends. Slide for life is fun.. DONT FALL off the dang thing! get to the end and stay dry.

At least its not Parris Island with the Sand Fleas!!!!

Yes - I WILL pray for you each night.

OldSwabbie

[mcnary21]

I'm actually from North Dakota, but still, I'm used to shooting.

I'd just like to thank you again in advance for your prayers.

[jumpingbum]

Miracles happen. Prayer has been proven by scientists to be effective. Every day we draw closer to the point where scientists climb the final mountain and find the believers in Christ have been sitting on it all along.

[rainey]

Oldswabbie you said I could write anytime and that you all would be here anytime I needed you. Well I need some advice.

I’ll tell you what’s going on and I’d appreciate your advice.

It's 2 weeks to the day since my dad died. My mom is still a mess but was getting better. My sister and brother live close by but have returned to their own homes and lives I and my husband share a house with my parents, now just my mom.


The situation right now is this. My mom is telling people that she feels like committing suicide and even contemplated doing it last week. She told me to my face that if my husband and I ever left the country and if my brother and his wife did as well she would commit suicide. My mom then told my sister that if she left the country with her husband and young daughter then she would commit suicide.

My sister says I shouldn’t worry as people who brag about suicide and go around telling people they want to do it are not seriously considering it and are seeking attention. I don’t know if I can believe that. No one I talk to seems to be able to tell me 100% that it’s just an attention seeking thing and not serious. My mom has had her 3 children by her side these past 14 days but we all do have to get back to our own lives and careers and my husband has to go back to work after taking leave for the past 2 weeks. This world is for the living and we all have things we want to do and need to do. I’d like to seize the day, or as my husband jokes I’m more of a ‘seize the night’ person. None of us can give her any more attention than we have been doing because it’s going to start impacting on our own lives, our marriages and our work. We’re all feeling emotionally drained right now. I cannot baby sit my mother 24/7. But it seems that we’re going to have to if she carries on about committing suicide.


Right now it’s reaching a point where my sister and I are both having some nasty thoughts. We sat down over coffee and discussed the thoughts and feelings we are having about the situation. My husband says he had the same thoughts when his mom died and it’s natural.

My question to you all is: What do I do? Do I go around and throw away all medication and cough syrup and lock away anything my mom could use in a suicide attempt, follow her around, go and check on her every time she goes quiet and watch her every move, or do I put her talking and behavior down to attention seeking and not respond. My dad had very strong opinions on suicide and the more my mom talks the more I want to remind her of his opinions but I don't want to upset her.

[oldswabbie]

Rainey,

First, I am so sorry things have spiraled down further. The loss you suffered was bad enough, now the emotional difficulties on top of this must be overwhelming. I promise to continue to pray for you.

Because this situation is serious and you cannot really ever know if the person is going to carry through with this or not.. Please find your mother help. She needs some professional psychological counseling. Basically she needs grief counseling to help her get through this. She doesn't appear to be doing so well on her own with it. I would suspect if you can get in touch with someone and tell them the situation they may get her in to talk quickly.. I would HOPE!

You can never ever go by the old rule of thumb if they are talking about suicide they "wont" do it. I've seen it BOTH ways.. so please dont take any chances. Removing guns WOULD be a good idea but then again in your area I dont think with the laws you have to worry about it much. Its much different here in America in that respect. Definately get any strong narcotics out of the house. Those are easy to use in a weak moment. Guns & Drugs are the two most common, then knives are the next.

Its hard to know or understand the loss of a spouse when you've been married for so long. I know that I would be devastated beyond measure, beyond words, beyond imagination. She needs help.

OldSwabbie

[rainey]

OldSwabbie

No guns in the house, so that is one less thing to worry about. The knife I have is safely packed away and the only other knives in the house are those we use in the kitchen. All medication is already under lock and key so the only medication she has access to right now would be the stuff she can buy over the counter. The one worrying thing for me about over the counter medication is that my mother is allergic to aspirin.

I will be putting in a call to the grief counselor first thing tomorrow. I've also made two phone calls to two of her friends who have themselves been widowed. I thought it would help her to talk to someone who has 'been there done that' when it comes to losing a husband.

One of my friends says there is only so much I can do, beyond that it's out of my hands and I've got to put my faith and trust in a higher power and the guardian angels I believe in.

Thank you for the prayers. I've had some of my prayers answered already regarding another family member.

[huyah_dan18]

Could you contact me at my private e-mail?

WalkThatDawg@yahoo.com

I will take lunch today at 2:00 CST.

I care.

Dan18

[FAITHY]

For our fellow member heading off to Marine Corps Boot Camp-pay attention, commit all of yourself to it-be proud, & WRITE YOUR MOM!!!!! When you graduate you will be apart of a brotherhood that will remain with you forever. We'll still talk to you because remember it's still apart of the Navy! Don't forget the biggest difference between Sailors and Marines is that our parents are married! (Old Navy Joke brother-God Bless You!)

Rainy, please get some outside assistance wit this. We are here for you, but you cannot do this by yourself... As a former cop who dealt with these situations before, most people who threaten to hurt themselves are usualyy just trying to get attention, or are hurting inside so bad they feel lost. They hardly ever fallow through on these threats; but why take the chance? An outside professionalcan assist your Mother in working out the hurt. It won't ever go away, but she may see what she had/has rather then what se lost.

Old Swabbie has great insight into what you're experiencing; listen to waht he has to offer. Also remember we're here if you just need to talk or vent. Get pissed off! It may help...

We love ya, Dennis

[oldswabbie]

OldSwabbie

No guns in the house, so that is one less thing to worry about. The knife I have is safely packed away and the only other knives in the house are those we use in the kitchen. All medication is already under lock and key so the only medication she has access to right now would be the stuff she can buy over the counter. The one worrying thing for me about over the counter medication is that my mother is allergic to aspirin.

I will be putting in a call to the grief counselor first thing tomorrow. I've also made two phone calls to two of her friends who have themselves been widowed. I thought it would help her to talk to someone who has 'been there done that' when it comes to losing a husband.

One of my friends says there is only so much I can do, beyond that it's out of my hands and I've got to put my faith and trust in a higher power and the guardian angels I believe in.

Thank you for the prayers. I've had some of my prayers answered already regarding another family member.

You know, the Lord does answer Prayers. Sometimes it seems agonizing long before he does.. other times they are answered before our knees even pop as we get up off the floor (ok, my knees pop when I get off the floor)...but all in HIS time and that is always the BEST Time.

Your Mom is going to go through a number of stages of grief. You may already know them, but if not, here they are:

Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

Its hard to say where someone is within that model, sometimes they actually move up and down within it, its not just linear movement top to bottom.

You have done the best you can as a Daughter to watch out for her and to take care of her. I commend you for doing everything you can. When your family comes out on the other end of this loss & tragedy you will be stronger for it and closer to the Lord for it. I know those words kinda fall short a bit right now, but in God is in control.. He truly is. Even when it does not seem like it.. He is.

When shadows fall and time drags slow - God is in Control. His hands are always around you and protect you from the arrows of the enemy even though you know it not.. God is in Control. When the world seems to spin out of control and nothing is in its place for you - God is in control. For the Stars of Heaven and Earth itself are within His Mighty Hands.. God is truly in control...and yet He knows your name and He cares and Loves YOU.

Jim

[jumpingbum]

You know, the Lord does answer Prayers. Sometimes it seems agonizing long before he does.. other times they are answered before our knees even pop as we get up off the floor (ok, my knees pop when I get off the floor)...but all in HIS time and that is always the BEST Time.

When shadows fall and time drags slow - God is in Control. His hands are always around you and protect you from the arrows of the enemy even though you know it not.. God is in Control. When the world seems to spin out of control and nothing is in its place for you - God is in control. For the Stars of Heaven and Earth itself are within His Mighty Hands.. God is truly in control...and yet He knows your name and He cares and Loves YOU.

Jim

And on days like like today, that's the only thing that keeps me above ground.

[oldswabbie]

And on days like like today, that's the only thing that keeps me above ground.

Tough day? Did you have that job interview?

OldSwabbie

[jumpingbum]

Tough day? Did you have that job interview?

OldSwabbie

Yes and the enemy stole it away. Evil prevails when good men do nothing. Prayer is effective.

[rainey]

Today was a good day. My mom spent lots of time on the phone today with her friends. She also went and did some clothing shopping. The fact that she left the house is a good sign.

Jim - (may I call you that) I'm not sure where we are on the stages of grief with my mom. I've seen the anger, I've seen the bargaining, I've seen the denial and now it seems I'm seeing the depression. I thought there was some acceptance after the funeral but that only lasted a day and then it was back to the denial and the anger. I'm not sure where I am in the stages. I know I was in denial the first day, I've been angry, haven't done any bargaining like I have done in the past. No depression and I hope I don't get depressed. As for acceptance, I know he's dead, I know he's not walking through the door but there are moments when for a split second I think it really has just been a dream.

I'm at a point now where I do feel I've done all I can for my mom. It's out of my hands now. A friend sent me a US 1 dollar bill and underlined the 'In God We Trust'. So that's what I'm doing now.
I have learned a lot about myself these past 2 weeks and just what I'm capable of and how much I can handle and how strong I really am.

Dennis - One of my dad's friends. He's a major in the SA army, I do the photography for him at the tattoo and the museum he runs. He says when the anger kicks in (he assures me that despite how much I loved my dad and shared so much in common with him that I will feel anger towards him) I need to give him a call and he'll sit down with me and we'll talk. I have been angry a bit these past 2 weeks and done some venting to a close friend but all of it has been about the people around me and one of my siblings. I may take you up on the offer to vent here but I'm afraid that in the heat of being pissed off I'll say something I can't take back.

[jumpingbum]

I'm at a point now where I do feel I've done all I can for my mom. It's out of my hands now. A friend sent me a US 1 dollar bill and underlined the 'In God We Trust'. So that's what I'm doing now.
When we get to the place where we're at the end of ourselves, that is where God steps in and through Him we are strong. It is at this point that we see miracles. God has a plan, He is in control. All the time.

[rainey]

Tania - Thank you for the hugs and thank you for the prayers. Does it sound odd that I find more comfort and smile more from the electronic hugs my friends are sending me and the hugs they send in emails than the actual physical hugs I'm getting.

I never realized how many people consider me a friend till I made a phone call to my best friend to tell him what had happened. I really did feel blessed receiving all the emails and all the advice. I've been able to share much of the advice I've been a given and the words of support. One friend in particular has been sending me bible passages to look up.

All the words I've read on this thread have helped. I've been able to use and share the advice I've received. Being able to write has also helped. I'm not sure how to explain it but there is a feeling of a weight being lifted when I share what's going on. It's wonderful that a thread like this exists. I was joking with a friend that there are no books in the book store on What to do and How to cope in a situation like this. I'm coping because of this thread and being able to talk.

[jumpingbum]

Tania - Thank you for the hugs and thank you for the prayers. Does it sound odd that I find more comfort and smile more from the electronic hugs my friends are sending me and the hugs they send in emails than the actual physical hugs I'm getting.

I never realized how many people consider me a friend till I made a phone call to my best friend to tell him what had happened. I really did feel blessed receiving all the emails and all the advice. I've been able to share much of the advice I've been a given and the words of support. One friend in particular has been sending me bible passages to look up.

All the words I've read on this thread have helped. I've been able to use and share the advice I've received. Being able to write has also helped. I'm not sure how to explain it but there is a feeling of a weight being lifted when I share what's going on. It's wonderful that a thread like this exists. I was joking with a friend that there are no books in the book store on What to do and How to cope in a situation like this. I'm coping because of this thread and being able to talk.

A sister in Christ of mine is known to regularly say "You guys, God rocks!" This same sister is now going through the process that occurs when you first get diagnosed with breast cancer. She is frightened, but her faith remains rock solid. She is surrounded by loving family and friends and yet? Her emails make ME feel better.

I was watching a series of videos last night on You Tube of a guy by the name of Bill Wiese. Ordinary Christian, realtor, nothing special you'd think, right? He wrote a book called '23 minutes in hell.' Unlike Don Piper's '90 minutes in Heaven' Bill's book isn't an account of someone who died. He talks on the videos of what hell was like and then he speaks of being taken by Jesus to outerspeace and find out that everything is under God's control. Everything.

[rainey]

Tania I will keep you and your friend in my prayers and thoughts.
I lost a cousin in 1983 to cancer. He was doing his army basic training and no one thought the bruising and exhaustion could be anything other than from the training. By the time the doctors tested him they were out of time. My husband's mom died August 1st 1988 from breast cancer. She died 3 weeks after being diagnosed. His aunt (mom's sister) my stand in mother in law was in hospital on Tuesday having a biopsy done for possible cervical cancer. The tests came back negative, she doesn't have cancer. I cried with sheer relief at hearing her voice on the phone telling me that. Prayers were answered there. My grandfather died March 22nd 2004. He died a week after telling us he had cancer. He had known he was sick for a few months but didn't want the family to know. Both his first wife and his second wife had died from cancer and he didn't want the family going through the trauma of him having treatment. My best friend lost his wife 9 years ago after a 6 year battle with breast cancer. My own husband had a cancer scare 3 years ago and the 48 hours I had to wait to hear that it wasn't cancer were agonizing because my mind wouldn't stop racing over what I would do. My dad's friend was treated two years ago for prostate cancer. I remember for the 7 weeks of his treatment I sent him every joke book I had and even spent ages on the net looking for jokes and phoning him and telling him them. At my dad's funeral he came up to me and told me a joke to make me laugh.

Take care and try to smile. I know what makes me smile no matter what. I'm sure there is something that makes you smile too no matter what, when you need to smile go take a look at whatever it is that makes you smile.:)

[FAITHY]

Rainey, Tania (my old former adversary in conflict vs. the SF puke) and of course, Old Swabbie...Thanks for all you do.

Rainey & Tania, hang tough-we're all in this together. I've noticed when you reach out to help someone else in need it also seems to lighten our personal burdens.

I owe all of you an apology-I'm not a complete idiot; I have a wireless key board and what I intend to type and what actually shows up on the site are not always the same. So if it appears as if I can't type (which I actually can't) it's really not always me :-)

Take care my friends, and "Charlie Mike..!"

Dennis

[jumpingbum]

God doesn't waste anything, huh Dennis? I apologize for any pain I may have caused you at that time. I yi yi. I was not kind.

What does Charlie Mike mean? I know it's CM, but, the only charlie thing I know is from 1990 and it was charlie foxtrot... It was to refer to the mess we were making of our rooms, not anything untoward.

[FAITHY]

Hey Tania, some of our strongest friends grow from conflict-right?

"Charlie Mike" - Vietnam AO speak for "Continue the Mission!"

Good luck to you and I pray for happiness in your life.
D

[jumpingbum]

Did they ever say Charlie Tango Mike?

[jumpingbum]

Russia/Georgia conflict - I'd say Gog and Magog are about to have at it. The Jerusalem Prayer Team is predicting war with Iran within a month. I'd say we have a lot more to pray about.

[WannabeA_Tadpole]

Russia/Georgia conflict - I'd say Gog and Magog are about to have at it. The Jerusalem Prayer Team is predicting war with Iran within a month. I'd say we have a lot more to pray about. :)

Times are not so stable. However I do not see our fates being etched in stone. The good lord saw it fit to gear us up with free will, we shall control our own fate. But with all the wankers that need to be sorted out, some prayers sound like a good idea right now :). Pray I shall.

[jumpingbum]

Actually? Some things ARE etched in stone. Biblical prophecy shows Gog and Magog attacking Israel. I'd say (AND, I am NOT God :) ) we have everything in place: Iran, Russia. It is in the Bible.

BUT it doesn't mean that NOW is the time. That attack could take place in the next day, week, month, year, decade, century or millennium. God has his own time table and it is definitely not mine.

It's just that the way my life has been going? I keep hoping for a fast free pass to Paradise. I'm gettin' tired of fightin' all the non-Christians all the time. It's exhausting.

That said, yes, prayer IS in order and lots and lots of it. :) And Tadpole? Thank you!!! Not everyone is willing to post here. :) It takes courage to stand up for God these days. :) I predict a time when even this thread will be attacked and edited. The enemy will see to it. However? God is in control.

[WannabeA_Tadpole]

And Tadpole? Thank you!!! Not everyone is willing to post here. :) It takes courage to stand up for God these days. :)

No thanks needed jumping. I like to talk about this stuff, and I think we should talk about this stuff. Do not let the times get to you to much though. Wake up in the morning, choose your path, and hope that the lord shall agree with it… that is all we can do. No need to fear many things when you feel your on a good path. I like the things you have to say. Good discussion and you are a very respectful person.

[sbd22]

[COLOR=DarkGreen]Actually? Some things ARE etched in stone. Biblical prophecy shows Gog and Magog attacking Israel. I'd say (AND, I am NOT God :) ) we have everything in place: Iran, Russia. It is in the Bible.
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This is interesting I have never heard of this being in the bible. Is there a passege in which I can look it up. Im not questioning your knowledge of the Bible at all, I can tell that you know a lot more about it than I do, I was just wondering where I can read this.

Thanks,
Blaine

[jumpingbum]

This is interesting I have never heard of this being in the bible. Is there a passege in which I can look it up. Im not questioning your knowledge of the Bible at all, I can tell that you know a lot more about it than I do, I was just wondering where I can read this.

Thanks,
Blaine
Hi Blaine,

THANK YOU for posting and for your name. Something about knowing a person a little better that touches my heart. I don't know why. :)

http://www.truthnet.org/islam/Islam-Bible/12Gog-Magog-Russia/Gog-Magog-Russia.htm
http://joelrosenberg.blogspot.com/2005/05/war-of-gog-and-magog-understanding.html (http://joelrosenberg.blogspot.com/2005/05/war-of-gog-and-magog-understanding.html)
The above 2 links are just web pages, though they do make a lot of sense to me.

The actual battle is predicted in Ezekiel 38 through 39 (and, yup, I had to look it up. :)) I am not a memorizer (I just don't think that's a word...) of scripture. I remember concepts and a wee bit o' prophecy. Gog and Magog are mentioned in Revelations.

Revelation 20:8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=20&verse=8&version=9&context=verse)
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

I used Bible Gateway, the New King James version:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelations%2020;&version=50;


and in Ezekiel 38. The re-creation of Israel as a nation is predicted in the early part of Ezekiel 38 and the battle is spoken of starting in Ezekiel 38:18 continuing on through Ezekiel 39.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=38&version=50

Truly, Blaine, I don't know a whole lot, but I do attend a Calvary Chapel where they do verse by verse teaching. Some stuff sticks and the battle where Israel is attacked by everyone around her is one of those concepts that has stuck. Old Swabbie, Jim, is a lot better versed than I am - he's actually an ordained minister. I'm simply a follower of Christ and not a great one at that! :)

Thank you for asking, I needed to find and read the actual text. :)

God's blessings on you and your family!

Tania

[oldswabbie]

Have you watched the "Left Behind" Movies that Kirk Cameron was in? Very good explanation of whats about to happen...and why..

OldSwabbie

[jumpingbum]

Have you watched the "Left Behind" Movies that Kirk Cameron was in? Very good explanation of whats about to happen...and why..

OldSwabbie


Watched the movies, read all the books. Right now I am PRAYING for the rapture to happen. I am tired of this old world. I've had enough. Committing suicide isn't an option, but I crave being in paradise.

[oldswabbie]

Watched the movies, read all the books. Right now I am PRAYING for the rapture to happen. I am tired of this old world. I've had enough. Committing suicide isn't an option, but I crave being in paradise.

I know. But, IF He tarries.. which He is... we must keep on keeping on. Remember ~ its in HIS strength we continue, not our own...if it were our own we would fail. It is something to look forward to.

I heard the story of an old farming couple. Each morning they would get up, pray, eat breakfast, and look out over the fields... one day their grandson and his friend stayed the night with them. That next morning at breakfast the young men watched at the two older people looked out over the fields as the old woman said "today?", the man said "I do not know"... the friend of grand son later asked him what they had meant. He said they were asking each other if it was today that Jesus was coming back.. they look for him each day..


Jim

[jumpingbum]

Only in His strength. I am left without any. I am at the end of myself.

[oldswabbie]

Tania,

I know.. Things suck right now. Sheila told me she wrote you today. She is very to the point, she's the kind of gal that if you dont want to know something ~ dont ask her...cuz she WILL tell you. We will pray for you and Mike. Rainey, Faithy.. She needs prayer.. big time...

Its seem like the enemy continually hits us to keep us off balance. I had to deal with an immature kid today and I got very angry with him ~ understandbly but I should have just went ahead and ignored him... banned him and went on. So, I'm just going to allow the Lord to deal with the situation....

Precious Lord.. You have blessed me with such a Wonderful, Godly Wife and I thank you for her. I thank you that she has reached out to Tania to help and be there in her time of need. Father, you are above all, beyond all and in control of everything! I Ask your soverign grace over Tania and Mike this moment.. In Jesus name.. Amen.. Baruch Haba, Aschem Adonai...

Jim

[rainey]

Tania, I'm thinking about you, I'm praying for you and PLEASE tell me if there is anything I can do to make you laugh or smile. I know there is not much else I can do being on the other side of the ocean but I'm hoping knowing that you have a friend all the way over here makes you smile.

It's after midnight here and I'm watching the sports channels on TV for the Olympics coverage. There is something amazing and beautiful about seeing the Stars and Stripes and hearing the US anthem play. Every time I see the flag I smile and I thank God he created a country like the United States of America. Just thinking about the possibility that one day I'm going to get to call the USA my home makes my heart feel like it's going to explode with happiness.

Rainey.

p.s. Tania, I sent you a private message, I hope it got through.

[jumpingbum]

Thank you! God Bless ALL of you! Your support, I cannot say, how much I appreciate it. There is nothing even close.

I don't know if there is anything I can laugh at right now, just keep praying for me and Mike, it has gotten very very rough and that is all I dare say in so public a forum.

Hugs and God's blessings,

Tania :)

[ladyleatherneck6]

Although I don't really know any of you here, my thoughts and prayers are with all of you, if you're down, out or happy as a lark, everyone needs a shoulder at times, and or a prayer!! This thread is totally awesome! I lost my uncle to lung cancer from agent orange exposure, and it was very hard on my Mom! This past memorial day I bawled my eyes out when this older man stopped and started talking to me. I don't know how many of you have heard of the Honor Flight, but it's something they've put together here in NW Ohio to fly the WWII vets to the memorial, and I noticed on his wheel chair he had an honor flight sticker, so I had to ask him if he was able to go. He said yes, I went on the first flight, and now I'm at my last parade, as I have cancer and have not long to live, man was that moving, and you could see the pride in the guy at having served!! Just asking him the question, I could see him sit straighter and smile from ear to ear! I have tears and goosebumps now just recalling that day!!

[FAITHY]

Hey Tania, think my prayers carry any weight? Hope so, because you're in them all the time...


Ladyleatherneck6-welcome and so sorry for your loss. Welcome to a group of people who care and will do what we can to be here for you ....

[jumpingbum]

Hey Tania, think my prayers carry any weight? Hope so, because you're in them all the time...

The prayers of a faithful man availest much! :) I can't find the scripture, but I'm pretty sure it's something like that.

Faithy, your prayers, the prayers of the group, all prayers made on my account are what have been keeping me sane. I cannot say how grateful I am.

Lady Leatherneck? THANK YOU for posting and sharing. Every post gives others hope! :)

God's blessings,

Tania

[jhammons33]

Prayers sent and may God bless him.

[oldswabbie]

The prayers of a faithful man availest much! :) I can't find the scripture, but I'm pretty sure it's something like that.

Faithy, your prayers, the prayers of the group, all prayers made on my account are what have been keeping me sane. I cannot say how grateful I am.

Lady Leatherneck? THANK YOU for posting and sharing. Every post gives others hope! :)

God's blessings,

Tania

Here is the Scripture Reference. Its from James, Jesus's half brother.

James 5:16
"Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."


Jim

[ladyleatherneck6]

Thank you all so much for your reception! I find the days when things seem to be at their worst, it's very uplifting to read something from a friend or family member or to see someone who needs me more than I need someone! I hope if anyone needs a friend I can fill those shoes no matter what!! My first welcome to this sight was from a lady who is going through nursing school, and I'm just starting out. She sent me a link to a sight that I can't seem to leave, it's filled with so much knowledge and info, I just can't thank her enough!!

[jumpingbum]

Here is the Scripture Reference. Its from James, Jesus's half brother.

James 5:16
"Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."


Jim
And right now it isthose prayers that seem to be working miracles. I saw Mike yesterday. He is as fragile as a newborn kitten. Pray that he goes back to EMDR and church this Sunday. Significant spiritual warfare going on here and I am grateful for your prayer cover. Things aren't getting better, but I can feel the comfort of your prayers.

Hugs and God's blessings,

Tania :)

[jumpingbum]

I hate bein needy. I HATE IT. I hate feeling alone. I hate feeling betrayed, humiliated. But right now? I feel ALL those things. I am getting to the point where I will do anything to stop feeling alone. ANYTHING.

[oldswabbie]

I will keep praying for you and Mike. The Lord answers prayers.. He is always faithful to us ... He never forsakes us.... Never leaves us... Even when we think He has, His Spirit reminds us of His Love and ever present Power...

We are going to bed in a few minutes.. we pray together each and every night.. in a few moments I will be lifting you and Mike up to the Lord...


Jim

[jumpingbum]

And that's why I feel better. What was that scripture "oh ye of little faith."

The enemy attacks with ferocity. OY.

[jumpingbum]

FOUND!!!!!!!!
http://www.socom.mil/care_coalition/home.htm

For those warriors suffering from PTSD or other problems. I found these folks because of the thread on David Goggins. He does charity work for the folks that referred me to the SOC Care Coalition:

http://www.specialops.org/ (http://www.specialops.org/)

God really does answer prayer, folks. Please keep Mike and me in yours.

[jumpingbum]

CPT Melissa Cormeny at the SOC Coalition for Care is there to help soldiers and their families. It is a resource paid for by your tax dollars. Should you feel the need for help? Don't hestitate to call. More details can be found on the Dave Goggins thread.

[oldswabbie]

I'm hoping I'm not the only one reading this thread. I spoke with a CPT Melissa Cormeny at the SOC Coalition for Care. I have decided to seek training as an occupational therapist. Whether that training is in Colorado or Massachusetts depends on where God wants me. I miss my husband but his care is in God's hands now. I can do no more.

Please, if you're reading this, let us know. We need more prayer, I need more prayer. I need all the prayer I can get.

Thanks!

Tania



As you know, Sheila and I have been praying for you and will keep praying for you. The Lord has a plan ...even "Plan B" when we often change the other plans... Just TRUST that the Lord has you in his will.

Jim

[rainey]

Tania - I'm still praying for you. Like Jim said just TRUST. That is sometimes easier said than done I know. Right now for myself my biggest prayer is for patience. I'm going to need lots of patience to get through the next few months. The rest of the prayers I'm sending your way.

Take care and sending you a hug.
Rainey.

[jumpingbum]

I found this on TeamWife's page:

A Navy Wife's Prayer by Sue Ellen Groseclose-Combs

How often we've stood on dark flight lines and piers...
"I love you," "I'll miss you" whispered through tears.
During long separations, in peacetime, at war...
my nights filled with dreams of this man I adore.
With only my memories to hold close at night...
I live for the day God returns my sunlight.
Yes, life goes on when your loved one's at sea...
but the ache never leaves, the fear stays with me.
Dear Lord, I need your guidance, your love...
help me be brave, keep your watch from above.
Hold my dear one so safe in your heart and your hand...
bring him home to his family...this hero...my man.
Of us, Lord, I pray he'll be filled with such pride...
of how we carried on without him by our side.
Please, help time fly quickly and soon I will hold...
the hand of the man whose eyes chase the cold.
Whose voice brings delight, whose touch eases pain.
How will I ever say "Farewell" again?
With your help, dear God, I'll try to stay strong...
and pray that his time here at home will be long.
Still, "I know that the Navy will need him," I sigh...
but we'll face it together, Dear Lord, you and I.

[rainey]

Things were going good for a few days but now I'm back and looking for advice again. I think my mother hit the anger stage of the grieving process yesterday and it's nothing like I was expecting.

She came home from spending a few hours with friends and started looking for her camera. This particular camera my dad gave her in April and she packed it away safely in May and hasn't used it since. After a 10 minute search in the obvious places she went into what I call freak out mode. She had a 3 hour temper tantrum like I've only seen in children. Everything she could get her hands on that wasn't nailed down got thrown around the house. 2 of my cats got kicked when they got in her way. (they're fine, no injuries) She then started coming out with language that my parents have never used. The accusations also started flying. Ordinarily those accusations alone would have had me responding with harsh words but I kept quiet and ignored her. I sat in the room watching TV and just left her to her tantrum not paying attention to her.

I'm not sure if my actions were right or wrong. It didn't appear to me that there was anything I could do. There was plenty I could say but every word would have antagonized her I'm sure.

Her friends have taken her out for the day again today and I expect her home in 2 hours. So my question is if she has another tantrum today what do I do? Do I do like yesterday and ignore her or do I say something?

[oldswabbie]

Things were going good for a few days but now I'm back and looking for advice again. I think my mother hit the anger stage of the grieving process yesterday and it's nothing like I was expecting.

She came home from spending a few hours with friends and started looking for her camera. This particular camera my dad gave her in April and she packed it away safely in May and hasn't used it since. After a 10 minute search in the obvious places she went into what I call freak out mode. She had a 3 hour temper tantrum like I've only seen in children. Everything she could get her hands on that wasn't nailed down got thrown around the house. 2 of my cats got kicked when they got in her way. (they're fine, no injuries) She then started coming out with language that my parents have never used. The accusations also started flying. Ordinarily those accusations alone would have had me responding with harsh words but I kept quiet and ignored her. I sat in the room watching TV and just left her to her tantrum not paying attention to her.

I'm not sure if my actions were right or wrong. It didn't appear to me that there was anything I could do. There was plenty I could say but every word would have antagonized her I'm sure.

Her friends have taken her out for the day again today and I expect her home in 2 hours. So my question is if she has another tantrum today what do I do? Do I do like yesterday and ignore her or do I say something?\

Rainey,

Actually, that behavious is quite normal. There was some underlying reason in her mind she wanted that camera. She was having sort of a mini panic attack - its ok as long as she doesnt hurt herself or continue the behaviour. It was just somehting she NEEDED at the moment emotionally and it scared her. She's ok. I would just watch to makie sure she doesnt hurt herself if get has a tantrum, but something tells me she wont unless she is trying to find some again and cannot.

Jim

[jumpingbum]

is Mom seeing a counselor? Any kind of counselor?

[rainey]

Tania - She's in regular telephone contact with the church minister and several ladies from the church who have been in her situation.

One thing I have not mentioned yet is that there is a teenager involved in the picture. I have a 15 year old foster brother and right now most of my attention is focused on him. At the moment he's writing exams, dealing with peer pressure and trying to cope. Yesterdays antics really shook him up. He's having 3 times a week sessions with the school counselor which is helping him.

Today was better than yesterday. She's still searching for the camera and I wish to goodness I knew where it was. I have no worries about her hurting herself. Her eldest brother is coming for a visit in November, she hasn't seen him in 29 years, she's got something really momentous to live for right now. I emailed him last night and he said he'll call her Thursday.

Thanks for the prayers and hugs and advice.
Rainey.

[jumpingbum]

Tania - She's in regular telephone contact with the church minister and several ladies from the church who have been in her situation.

One thing I have not mentioned yet is that there is a teenager involved in the picture. I have a 15 year old foster brother and right now most of my attention is focused on him. At the moment he's writing exams, dealing with peer pressure and trying to cope. Yesterdays antics really shook him up. He's having 3 times a week sessions with the school counselor which is helping him.

Today was better than yesterday. She's still searching for the camera and I wish to goodness I knew where it was. I have no worries about her hurting herself. Her eldest brother is coming for a visit in November, she hasn't seen him in 29 years, she's got something really momentous to live for right now. I emailed him last night and he said he'll call her Thursday.

Thanks for the prayers and hugs and advice.
Rainey.

God is in control. All the time. Everywhere.

[rainey]

Tania - Nothing is weird to me. The coffee table is a slab of marble on a metal frame, no draw, but believe me I've checked every draw in the house. Heck I even checked the oven warming draw and the draws in the freezer. My mom's mind has been so loopy lately I found the sugar in the towel cupboard and the milk in the bathroom. Funny I know but it's why I'm checking every unlikely place possible. This morning when she was out I sat in my dad's den/computer room with a cup of coffee, closed my eyes and silently asked for his help. My dad would always tell me when I was searching for something to just stop, take a moment, have a cup of coffee and relax, even sleep on it. I'll pick up the search tomorrow when she's out and see if I can't find it.

Religion is a tough thing with her right now. Just getting her to talk to the minister is a big step, he apparently has received training in grief counseling.

My brother is holding up well. Can't really discuss the whole situation but he does have contact with his biological cousins and aunties and uncles as well as his biological father. He's always been a little fragile from the day we got him at 18 months.

Hubby starts his month long vacation on Friday and he says first order of business is to search the house room by room even move furniture looking for the camera.

Thanks for the hugs.
Rainey.

[huyah_dan18]

Hello,

I am asking for your prayers for the people who are living on the Gulf Coast. As you probably know, Hurricane Gustav is headed for the Gulf where it will undoubtely gain strength. I have been receiving some calls at work about people trying to find housing but not sure if they will need it nor do they know how long. I had one woman say that the last time she was evacuated it was 3 weeks before she got back in.

The forecast for tomorrow is 102 degrees which is the same high degree it was in Texas the weekend before Hurricane Rita hit.

Thanks
Dan18

[rainey]

Dan18 - I'm sending my prayers all the way from South Africa along with good thoughts and hopes that Gustav weakens considerably. I've got my fingers crossed too. I have two friends in Georgia and a friend in Florida that I'm praying for every night and thinking about all day.

[Shar36]

Early this morning my inbox was inundated with concerns regarding this thread. Many are worried that it will be re-located to the Premium Forums. These emails were from both Premium and Non-Premium members; some are participants and others are not in this thread.

This thread was started due to Faithy's blog and it is for members to ask for support and prayers. It is not here to discuss one's personal beliefs.

Ask for support. Ask for prayers. Anything posted that is controversial, insulting and/or off topic of what this thread is intended for will be removed.

~Shar

[Ambassador]

Some of you may have noticed that jumpingbum is no longer with NavySEALs.com.

Throughout her tenure here, there were several Moderators and Administrators who repeatedly warned her and reigned her in. Yesterday afternoon and throughout the evening, attempts were made once again to control the situation. There were many emails offsite and PM's onsite that went back and forth.

Early this morning she once again went after another Moderator/Administrator. Those discussions lead to insults and attacks and she was issued a 10 day remediation for her actions. It was our hope that the 10 day cooling off period would have sufficed and she would return again.

Unfortunately that was not the case and she chose to re-register with 2 additional accounts. Subsequently and sadly she has been banned from NavySEALs.com. This is not something that we take lightly, nor is it something that we take any pleasure in doing.

Ambassador

[FAITHY]

I have been with NSC.com for many years. When I posted my "Prayers" Blog, it was done from my heart with the best of intentions.

I pray that you wonderful and thoughtful members that have supported my intent; to be there for those who need us and one another in their/our times of dispair continue to do so.

I have received many notes of thanks for addressing this subject. I did nothing but voice a thought that is within all of us. This is not a forum for personal agendas, but rather just the opposite. This is where we put our personal agendas aside and focus our collective spiritual energy towards helping our brothers and sisters in need.

I am sorry if I contributed to any discourse within the NSC.com community. I do re-affirm that though I am not a religious person, I am here for anyone that might need my spititual support. Dennis

[Shar36]

Dennis, you have nothing to apologize for. You are G2G!

~Shar