Pretty strong words from Iran...

[keganb88]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06/25/iran.nuclear/index.html

"Our last word is that if you want to head toward Iran, be sure to bring with you a walking stick and a pair of artificial legs, because if you do come to Iran, you will no longer have legs to go back home with," Hejazi said."

"Iranian and Western analysts believe that an Israeli strike against Iran is not possible without American approval and logistical assistance. Iranians have said they would hold the United States responsible for any attacks by Israel"

Thought those 2 qoutes were pretty interesting... What is everyones thoughts on this?

[Courtenay]

We'll be in Iran at some point. I don't think there is a lot of doubt about that. Israel may just be the catalyst. Personally I hope things just keep simmering for awhile. We are spread much to thinly right now to turn up the heat on anything.

[oldswabbie]

I seriously doubt Boots will EVER be on the ground in Iran anytime soon...

What would happen is this...
Cruise Missiles, JDAMS and all kinds of other REALLY BAD BAD Things will happen to Iran first... when Iran's Navy is destroyed by ours in a matter of hours.. yea.. Iran... HOURS... its Army decimated, Its Air forces Scared to get off the deck, its Intelligence Services blinded... Power stations gone... Tanks destroyed before commanders can turn on the keys... Then... Iran will be given an ultimatum... SHUT up or face EVEN FURTHER Anillation...

We are NOT going to play with these people ~ if we hit them, its going to be hard and overwhelming and FAST.

OldSwabbie

[laney]

I seriously doubt Boots will EVER be on the ground in Iran anytime soon...

What would happen is this...
Cruise Missiles, JDAMS and all kinds of other REALLY BAD BAD Things will happen to Iran first... when Iran's Navy is destroyed by ours in a matter of hours.. yea.. Iran... HOURS... its Army decimated, Its Air forces Scared to get off the deck, its Intelligence Services blinded... Power stations gone... Tanks destroyed before commanders can turn on the keys... Then... Iran will be given an ultimatum... SHUT up or face EVEN FURTHER Anillation...

We are NOT going to play with these people ~ if we hit them, its going to be hard and overwhelming and FAST.

OldSwabbie

This is exactly why Iran will not push the envelope far enough. Iran is not stupid, they know that a direct action conflict with Israel and the US would lead to utter annihilation. Ahmadinejad is like any other post revolution Iranian leader, he prods and pokes the west. Iranian lead middle eastern support such as Syria are backing down support for Iran. The majority of Iranians are not insane followers of the president, it is actually believed he is very unpopular, the Iranian people would not let it come to that. I highly doubt any type of direct action conflict will happen with Iran, they just feel threatened. How would you feel if a nation who doesn't like you has 200,000 troops occupying two countries on either side of you right at your door step? You would need to show your defensive stance and your ability to defend yourself to your people. A good example of this is the Cuban missile crisis, when we were in Iran's shoes, you need to put some pressure n the aggressor.

There is no way there will be American boots on Iranian soil.

[coronadodreamin]

Hopefully they'll wait until im a SEAL so i can be apart of that action ;)

I REALLY hope you're not implying that you want there to be a war.

[oldswabbie]

(OldSwabbie exhales slowly with his head down)...

My Young Friend... do not be so anxious to rush into War or Battle. ...Always be READY for war ~ but Pray for Peace. For it is the Warrior that will bear the scars and the wounds of battle. The warrior is the one who bears within his soul the Horrors of war. Dont be so anxious for these these things...


OldSwabbie

[WannabeA_Tadpole]

We are NOT going to play with these people ~ if we hit them, its going to be hard and overwhelming and FAST.

OldSwabbie

I agree with you on that Swab. When our country knows who the enemy is, those little bastards better pucker up and embrace the pain, because our guys clean house like no tomorrow. One good thing about attacking Iran is tons, and I means tons of funding would be withheld from crazed Islamic militant groups. A lot of the explosives or rockets being found from Hezbollah, to Afghan Land, to Iraq has been linked to Iran in some way. How soon we invade depends on a lot of factors. I personally think one of the factors will be who wins the next election. Iran is a major issue, and has been involved with crazed Islamic groups for a long time, from the attack on the marine barracks in Beirut, to the training and coordination of Hezbollah, Iran has been there backing and supporting it all. Real crazy situation over there, I have faith in that our country will clean it up real nice though. If you look at a globe, one would come to the realization that we already have Iran surrounded. They have no true working Navy. I believe they have two old russian subs, but our guys followed them around for a while and came to a conclusion that they are afraid to submerge, in fact they do not really know how to operate them at all. Carriers are near by to basically own those waters, and if you really look at it, we already do. Boots on the ground wont really be needed I think, not with the bombing cordination we have. But I to hope things simmer for just a bit, at least until a little more intel is gained. I just thought I would describe my vision of the situation :). Good post. Oh and one more thing that is obvious is that Iran hates Israel, it is said Irans leaders among many other muslims view our destruction as the path to claiming Israel. What little wankers they are huh? :)

[ripmattaxelson5]

Though i do wish for peace, we all know that is impossible on this earth. So seeing that there will be war, yes i do want to be apart of it, as a SEAL.

[oldswabbie]

Personally? I have a very close friend who was half Iranian, half lebanese... He was 1 of 3 of my closest friends (Ned C). He became a US Marine - retired with 20 years I believe. Good man. The Iranian people are actually very good people... its the leadership I have a problem with.

MaK MOOD- I"m A Nut JOB can say he was NOT one of the students that took our Embassy all he wants.....but pictures sure dont lie...and he just got uglier as he got older.

I wont wish any harm on the populace of Tehran - just wipe out the Military...anybody with a uniform.. any Military base should cease to exist.. Then we can talk peace after they have no means of defense. They thought a 10 year war with Iraq was bad... a 10 HOUR war with the United States will place them in the Stone Ages for the next decade.

I'm not saying that to mean "HEY...we are Bad A$$...dont mess with the US". The fact of the matter is ~ we have the Military ability to render them completely INERT within a very short period of time... and WE MUST DO SO or it will be at our peril. Its about survivability not about bragging. Its about going in and doing what you MUST do to achieve the objective and do it precisely or we will leave their assets open to engage and damage our interests.

Its about just going in and doing the job cooly and impartially....using all the technology and options available to us ~ which is extensive... beyond "Tehran's little boy" in the Sandbox's mentality to comphrend... We have a Backhoe that can pick his little sandbox up and dump his butt in the backyard....


OldSwabbie

[WannabeA_Tadpole]

Personally? I have a very close friend who was half Iranian, half lebanese... He was 1 of 3 of my closest friends (Ned C). He became a US Marine - retired with 20 years I believe. Good man. The Iranian people are actually very good people... its the leadership I have a problem with.

MaK MOOD- I"m A Nut JOB can say he was NOT one of the students that took our Embassy all he wants.....but pictures sure dont lie...and he just got uglier as he got older.

I wont wish any harm on the populace of Tehran - just wipe out the Military...anybody with a uniform.. any Military base should cease to exist.. Then we can talk peace after they have no means of defense. They thought a 10 year war with Iraq was bad... a 10 HOUR war with the United States will place them in the Stone Ages for the next decade.

I'm not saying that to mean "HEY...we are Bad A$$...dont mess with the US". The fact of the matter is ~ we have the Military ability to render them completely INERT within a very short period of time... and WE MUST DO SO or it will be at our peril. Its about survivability not about bragging. Its about going in and doing what you MUST do to achieve the objective and do it precisely or we will leave their assets open to engage and damage our interests.

Its about just going in and doing the job cooly and impartially....using all the technology and options available to us ~ which is extensive... beyond "Tehran's little boy" in the Sandbox's mentality to comphrend... We have a Backhoe that can pick his little sandbox up and dump his butt in the backyard....


OldSwabbie

Yet again, I could not agree with you more. I had a teacher who was from Iran, she and her brother both came here to teach in college, they both teach math in the same college together. She is a great woman, very caring of her students. The people for the most part are pretty accepting of western culture, but like you said, their government is wacked out. That is one of the reasons she and her brother left their country and fled to the United States for a better life. We have to watch it though, because they do have a decent size group of people there who are willing and trained by that government to become martyrs and fight along side extremist. But like you said, bombing strategic military and political locations should do the job just fine. Good post swab.

[jdoleac]

I personally think it is a BAD idea to ever put boots on the ground in Iran unless their actions are so overt that it direct action with combined arms cannot be avoided. Why do I think it's a bad idea? There are millions of Basij willing to lay it down at the behest of the Ayatollah and they are scattered throughout that country. They train in the mosques, they are religiously motivated. Thousands of the young boys in the Basij ran through mine fields during the Iran-Iraq War to clear a path for the Rev. Guard. True believers. They may be mobilized by the Rev. Guard for home defense, but if they Ayatollah orders it, human-wave attacks never go well, even for a technologically superior foe... if he's on the ground facing it.

No, relying on our superiority through the air would ultimately save more of their lives and ours. My main target? The Quds Force. They are talented and motivated and tasked to train, finance, and arm Islamic insurgencies throughout the Islamic world (at least those they feel are in tune with their own Revolution in Iran). They are active in Iraq and a major thorn in our side, though it's hard to mount much evidence against them because they are good at covering their tracks.

It's hard not to blame the entire country because ultimately, all of these elements are state-sponsored. But as swabbie said, there are good people in Iran... there are good people everywhere... something to keep in mind. But as far as Iran's usual posturing and threats? Let them chew on some missiles.

[laney]

I agree with you on that Swab. When our country knows who the enemy is, those little bastards better pucker up and embrace the pain, because our guys clean house like no tomorrow. One good thing about attacking Iran is tons, and I means tons of funding would be withheld from crazed Islamic militant groups. A lot of the explosives or rockets being found from Hezbollah, to Afghan Land, to Iraq has been linked to Iran in some way. How soon we invade depends on a lot of factors. I personally think one of the factors will be who wins the next election. Iran is a major issue, and has been involved with crazed Islamic groups for a long time, from the attack on the marine barracks in Beirut, to the training and coordination of Hezbollah, Iran has been there backing and supporting it all. Real crazy situation over there, I have faith in that our country will clean it up real nice though. If you look at a globe, one would come to the realization that we already have Iran surrounded. They have no true working Navy. I believe they have two old russian subs, but our guys followed them around for a while and came to a conclusion that they are afraid to submerge, in fact they do not really know how to operate them at all. Carriers are near by to basically own those waters, and if you really look at it, we already do. Boots on the ground wont really be needed I think, not with the bombing cordination we have. But I to hope things simmer for just a bit, at least until a little more intel is gained. I just thought I would describe my vision of the situation :). Good post. Oh and one more thing that is obvious is that Iran hates Israel, it is said Irans leaders among many other muslims view our destruction as the path to claiming Israel. What little wankers they are huh? :)

Believe it or not, most of the Arab world despises Iranians. Hezbollah is one of the few groups which supports Iran/receives support form Iran.

You wanna know how we can really cut off major terrorist funding? Cut out our oil consumption. You realize that oil consumption indirectly finances Islamic terrorism in the middle east, right? Man, if we were to get an alternative self sustaining energy source...we could mark off the middle east for good.

[jdoleac]

Believe it or not, most of the Arab world despises Iranians. Hezbollah is one of the few groups which supports Iran/receives support form Iran.

You wanna know how we can really cut off major terrorist funding? Cut out our oil consumption. You realize that oil consumption indirectly finances Islamic terrorism in the middle east, right? Man, if we were to get an alternative self sustaining energy source...we could mark off the middle east for good.

It would miraculous if we could be energy self-sufficient, or at least nearly independent of Middle Eastern oil. China, however, will still cut major deals for whatever oil we don't use and terrorism will still be funded.

[xfleetguy]

I seriously doubt Boots will EVER be on the ground in Iran anytime soon...

What would happen is this...
Cruise Missiles, JDAMS and all kinds of other REALLY BAD BAD Things will happen to Iran first... when Iran's Navy is destroyed by ours in a matter of hours.. yea.. Iran... HOURS... its Army decimated, Its Air forces Scared to get off the deck, its Intelligence Services blinded... Power stations gone... Tanks destroyed before commanders can turn on the keys... Then... Iran will be given an ultimatum... SHUT up or face EVEN FURTHER Anillation...

We are NOT going to play with these people ~ if we hit them, its going to be hard and overwhelming and FAST.

OldSwabbie


Swabbie,

What about the day after?

[Courtenay]

Those of you who don't see boots on the ground in Iran aren't intepreting things the same way I am, for sure.

I say there will be, not tomorrow, but there will be. Doesn't make me happy because more than likely one set of those boots will be on my son's feet. But it is, what it is.

[Courtenay]

Swabbie,

What about the day after?

Exactly xfleet. There will be a day after, and another long dragged-out affair. That's what happens in war.

[oldswabbie]

Exactly xfleet. There will be a day after, and another long dragged-out affair. That's what happens in war.

We learned something about Bosnia - You CAN affect massive changes on the ground from the Air. Yes, BOG are needed in many ways. But for what we need to accomplish in Iran - Nope.. no long dragged out affair... quick, fast, in, out... CYA wouldnt wanna be MAKmOOD....:cool:

And If this conflict happens..And IF there are boots on the ground we will probably NEVER know about them... or we May hear about them years later. That is unless those who's family members are part of those missions happen to share details with you - which would, by nature be very highly classified....

The big nasty hard targets will be taken out with the Bunker Busters and the special bunker busters. The only places that BOG will have to be considered is where those surgical weapons cannot work or the facilities are TOO deep. Now, with that being said... its not just going to be a SEAL team, or just Rangers, etc... It would be a much bigger SOF effort than that. I could go into an entire battle plan couldnt I Xfleet ;)

But Putting BOG in Iran is not something our Government is wanting to do or is going to do for very long. If and WHEN they do they will be IN and OUT.

Just like Lebanon, the old saying goes.. You Know HOW you will go Into Lebanon, but you do NOT know how you will leave....the same with Iran and we know it. We are going to hit them from which they cannot defend themselves until they are ultimately and completely at our mercy.


OldSwabbie

[xfleetguy]

We learned something about Bosnia - You CAN affect massive changes on the ground from the Air. Yes, BOG are needed in many ways. But for what we need to accomplish in Iran - Nope.. no long dragged out affair... quick, fast, in, out... CYA wouldnt wanna be MAKmOOD....:cool:

And If this conflict happens..And IF there are boots on the ground we will probably NEVER know about them... or we May hear about them years later. That is unless those who's family members are part of those missions happen to share details with you - which would, by nature be very highly classified....

The big nasty hard targets will be taken out with the Bunker Busters and the special bunker busters. The only places that BOG will have to be considered is where those surgical weapons cannot work or the facilities are TOO deep. Now, with that being said... its not just going to be a SEAL team, or just Rangers, etc... It would be a much bigger SOF effort than that. I could go into an entire battle plan couldnt I Xfleet ;)

But Putting BOG in Iran is not something our Government is wanting to do or is going to do for very long. If and WHEN they do they will be IN and OUT.

Just like Lebanon, the old saying goes.. You Know HOW you will go Into Lebanon, but you do NOT know how you will leave....the same with Iran and we know it. We are going to hit them from which they cannot defend themselves until they are ultimately and completely at our mercy.


OldSwabbie


Well beating them into submision is great and we have proven throughout history that we are capable of doing just that.

We did it in Germany and Japan where we still have BOG.

We did not do it in Viet Nam and should have but we just up and left and the communist took over.

We tried shock and awe in Iraq and it turned out to be shock and awe sh!t and had been drug out much longer that it needs to be.

Another problem with hitting them until they can not defend themselves is that they will not be able to defend themselves against any other country that want to go in and do as they will with the country.

Remember we not only have to win the war, we have to win the peace as well. That will require BOG.

I do like the way you think though. Hit them hard don't let up and send a message to the world that the U.S. is through taking sh!t from others.

With the government the way it is now and all the human rights organizations on their soap boxes every time our military farts the wrong way it will be tough getting approval to do anything.

We have the power to do what is needed we just need to use it.

Court,

My son will be standing right there next to yours, watching each others backs.

[oldswabbie]

The reason I think Iran would be different? They have a HUGE population of young students who DO like the US and Western culture and do NOT like the counter western ideas of MakMOOD and his Cronies. This is different than Iraq or Afghstn.

I get this feeling that THEY would rise up and kick old Nut job out on his keyster... Ironically... the same way the Students rose up in 79 against the Shaw of Iran! Karma is a B**** huh. LOL Thats why I think this would be different.

If we dont hurt the populace and just go after the military.. they will take care of the rest.


OldSwabbie

[Courtenay]

Most Iranians who were sympathetic to the US are now here in the US. The younger populace has been living in the "new" way and know no differently. To them, we represent the downfall of their system of belief, their structure of living.

Iran has an amazing history. They are actually a country who recognized the value of women beyond the home well before the western world even grasped the concept fully. Unfortunately, the history is lost to those living there now.

I do not believe for a moment that we would have overwhelming support from the people of Iran. I think to assume that we are loved there is a lot of "feel good" propaganda.

[xfleetguy]

The reason I think Iran would be different? They have a HUGE population of young students who DO like the US and Western culture and do NOT like the counter western ideas of MakMOOD and his Cronies. This is different than Iraq or Afghstn.

I get this feeling that THEY would rise up and kick old Nut job out on his keyster... Ironically... the same way the Students rose up in 79 against the Shaw of Iran! Karma is a B**** huh. LOL Thats why I think this would be different.

If we dont hurt the populace and just go after the military.. they will take care of the rest.


OldSwabbie

I agree somewhat with you Swabbie.

But if we were to launch and only target military it would be easy. Taking out the military installations and the guys in uniform would not be a problem.
We demonstrated that in Iraq.

However if and when we do launch at those military targets the will be civilian casualties, there is no getting around that and the media will have a field day with it making sure that the US looks like the bad guys. That has also been demonstrated in Iraq.
Now I for one am of the mind to say screw the media and not let them in to cover each and every drop of blood. Imbedded reporters are one of the militaries worst enemy's, but you and I know that won't happen.

Students and others rising up and MockMood a swift kick would be great, a shot in the head would be better but what then, they would be at the mercy of whoever wants to take over. It would not be in our interest to leave them on their own.

You and I and Court and others on the boards have a speacial interest in what happens because we have kin folk in the military. You and I were both in the Navy at the tail end of Nam (Fellow RM's) so we know a bit about what we say.

[oldswabbie]

I agree somewhat with you Swabbie.

But if we were to launch and only target military it would be easy. Taking out the military installations and the guys in uniform would not be a problem.
We demonstrated that in Iraq.

However if and when we do launch at those military targets the will be civilian casualties, there is no getting around that and the media will have a field day with it making sure that the US looks like the bad guys. That has also been demonstrated in Iraq.
Now I for one am of the mind to say screw the media and not let them in to cover each and every drop of blood. Imbedded reporters are one of the militaries worst enemy's, but you and I know that won't happen.

Students and others rising up and MockMood a swift kick would be great, a shot in the head would be better but what then, they would be at the mercy of whoever wants to take over. It would not be in our interest to leave them on their own.

You and I and Court and others on the boards have a speacial interest in what happens because we have kin folk in the military. You and I were both in the Navy at the tail end of Nam (Fellow RM's) so we know a bit about what we say.

Yea, I was trying to word stuff carefully because you never know what is/isnt a good thing to say... remember XGDS...

Oldswabbie

[heavysurf]

I just have a couple of comments regarding many of the past posts on this threat. First, the israeli/palestinian conflict goes back well over a thousand years. they each feel that they claim rights to the land because hundreds upon hundreds of years ago some distant relative lived in a walled village somewhere in modern day israel/palestine (despite the fact that that piece of land has been home to hundreds of nationalities of "squatters" ever since man has existed.) Since they both feel that their religious dogma ensures them that land for their own purposes they feel that is justification for as much blood to be spilt as need be. in short, the US has very little to 'say' to influence either side to be reasonable, and, in my opinion, direct military action will do nothing to solve this multi-millennial long conflict but to add to the steady growing populace of terrorists worldwide. second, iran NEVER said "we will wipe israel off the face of the planet." again, in my opinion, i feel that the US backs israel for other reasons than just the fact that we feel simpathy for their position and want "democracy" in the middle east, seeing as how that land was acquired un-democratically. I believe congressman Ron Paul has alot of interesting points on this subject, all can be found on youtube or other webpages. i believe his best point is that a "Gulf of Tonkin" type instance could cause a major and unnecessary world conflict. all military personal should be wary of this, especially vietnam vets like "old swabby" and "honorman". I say this out of great respect for you guys and for those with kin in the armed services and as well as for future service men like myself. I am joining the military to prepare myself (and others) for defense of our country, whether in the long or short term. that does not include internationally, and nationally ILLEGAL wars of "nation building" to benefit a small group of people. im sorry for the lengthy post, and i say these things with the utmost respect of all servicemen and women. and again, these are just my opinions.

[oldswabbie]

Oh geez... a Ron Paul supporter :D


OldSwabbie

[laney]

You guys are underestimating the Iranian people. They will topple the government before it plunges them into a suicidal war with the US and Israel. Comparing Iran to Iraq conflict doesn't work. We don't need to win any peace. Iraq is an occupation, if conflict were to come to Iran it would be over nuclear threat. We would decimate their military and demand for UN nukes to go in and investigate their programs. Unlike Iraq, we would be fighting the Iranian army, not every young Muslim who feels the need to fight a holy war against the westerners. OldSwabbie is right on all accounts here, it stays true to American foreign policy in a situation like this.

[sirmonty]

Believe it or not, most of the Arab world despises Iranians.

Yup. That is probably because the Iranians aren't Arabs, they are Persians. They have quite the history.

The reason I think Iran would be different? They have a HUGE population of young students who DO like the US and Western culture and do NOT like the counter western ideas of MakMOOD and his Cronies. This is different than Iraq or Afghstn.

I get this feeling that THEY would rise up and kick old Nut job out on his keyster... Ironically... the same way the Students rose up in 79 against the Shaw of Iran! Karma is a B**** huh. LOL Thats why I think this would be different.

If we dont hurt the populace and just go after the military.. they will take care of the rest.


OldSwabbie

I agree with this completely.

I used to work with an Iranian individual and we always talked about this stuff. He said that there is a large population of pro-western groups there that do not like the current regime (many of his friends that are still in Iran are this way). They don't neccessarily worship America (which is pretty understandable considering our involvement in many of their affairs), but they certainly are more sympathetic to western ideas and would prefer them to the current regime.

It is still very important to recognize that Iran has a system of government that is much more conducive to change and democratic movements than others (*cough* the Saudis *cough*).

Oh geez... a Ron Paul supporter :D


OldSwabbie

You know, we aren't really all that batsh!t crazy believe it or not...:D

[oldswabbie]

HeavySurf... You are good to go Brother... I'm messing with you :D

I read your introduction post. Not having a Military/Naval background isnt required for posting here. You are an American ~ many have served so that you have the right to speak your mind... yes.. even if we dont agree... isnt that just so friggin INCREDIBLE!! We are such a blessed Country.

Forums are a fantastic way of getting to know people and to learn from people. On here I'm an old Fart - on other boards I am not....its all relative.

So you know, I was NOT a US Navy SEAL I was JAPOS.. Just a Plain Ole Sailor.:)

Read my Profile and my blogs, you may get a chuckle.. still trying to finish a few of them. You may have to wait after the site maintenance tonight.

http://www.navyseals.com/community/oldswabbie

OldSwabbie

[thepho]

I seriously doubt Boots will EVER be on the ground in Iran anytime soon...

What would happen is this...
Cruise Missiles, JDAMS and all kinds of other REALLY BAD BAD Things will happen to Iran first... when Iran's Navy is destroyed by ours in a matter of hours.. yea.. Iran... HOURS... its Army decimated, Its Air forces Scared to get off the deck, its Intelligence Services blinded... Power stations gone... Tanks destroyed before commanders can turn on the keys... Then... Iran will be given an ultimatum... SHUT up or face EVEN FURTHER Anillation...

We are NOT going to play with these people ~ if we hit them, its going to be hard and overwhelming and FAST.

OldSwabbie

well said, oldswabbie
they call us the World's Greatest Navy for a reason

[thepho]

You guys are underestimating the Iranian people. They will topple the government before it plunges them into a suicidal war with the US and Israel. Comparing Iran to Iraq conflict doesn't work. We don't need to win any peace. Iraq is an occupation, if conflict were to come to Iran it would be over nuclear threat. We would decimate their military and demand for UN nukes to go in and investigate their programs. Unlike Iraq, we would be fighting the Iranian army, not every young Muslim who feels the need to fight a holy war against the westerners. OldSwabbie is right on all accounts here, it stays true to American foreign policy in a situation like this.

as much as its likely, laney, you never know what WILL happen as much as what WOULD happen

[jdoleac]

You guys are underestimating the Iranian people. They will topple the government before it plunges them into a suicidal war with the US and Israel. Comparing Iran to Iraq conflict doesn't work. We don't need to win any peace. Iraq is an occupation, if conflict were to come to Iran it would be over nuclear threat. We would decimate their military and demand for UN nukes to go in and investigate their programs. Unlike Iraq, we would be fighting the Iranian army, not every young Muslim who feels the need to fight a holy war against the westerners. OldSwabbie is right on all accounts here, it stays true to American foreign policy in a situation like this.

I believe that you seriously underestimate the strength of religious fundamentalism in that country. While we would have to face the Iranian army regulars, they have "special" forces. Some of these are elite and the nature of their actions is covert, i.e. the Quds Force. Then there are the Basij, these folks are not so "regular". Don't just assume that our Big Green Machine will face off against ONLY their army.

[oldswabbie]

I believe that you seriously underestimate the strength of religious fundamentalism in that country. While we would have to face the Iranian army regulars, they have "special" forces. Some of these are elite and the nature of their actions is covert, i.e. the Quds Force. Then there are the Basij, these folks are not so "regular". Don't just assume that our Big Green Machine will face off against ONLY their army.

The Quds...the Basij... Elite yes.. the Best? Nope. They THINK they are bad. Ok, I honestly HATE to sit here on a keyboard and type this stuff because its sounds stupid, but its true. They fought a war with Iraq for 10 years... Again, they wont see American boots on the ground. Its going to be massive Air bombardment which will take them to the stone age... IF they DO see any American boots on the ground... I guarantee you it will be the "Last thing they will ever see on this earth"... I've said it before ~ I'll say it again... IF we have to deal Militarily with Iran... We are going to Knock the Ever loving SNOT out of them so fast they will not even begin to know what in the H*** has hit them. We HAVE to do it this way or it will be at our own peril.

Am I underestimating our enemy?...No... As XfeetGuy said earlier, we are from an earlier generation, we also "know" stuff... nuff said :D

OldSwabbie

[od]

The Quds...the Basij... Elite yes.. the Best? Nope. They THINK they are bad. Ok, I honestly HATE to sit here on a keyboard and type this stuff because its sounds stupid, but its true. They fought a war with Iraq for 10 years... Again, they wont see American boots on the ground. Its going to be massive Air bombardment which will take them to the stone age...

OldSwabbie

If Iraq is apples, Iran may be oranges, but the comparison still seems to be layed out. So, I'll point out this: Iran fought a war with Iraq for 10 years. We (US) have been fighting in Iraq for 5 years. I know there are too many variables for me to draw a statistical analysis that would show based on this that a US/Iran war would take at least 2.5 years. . . . Did I just do that?

Anyhow, one of those variables, as is currently with Iraq, is what to do providing the US does decimate Iran. What next? Most likely "nation building", which unless there is some new revolutionary idea out there regarding how to do that, American boots would be on the ground.

[od]

IF we have to deal Militarily with Iran... We are going to Knock the Ever loving SNOT out of them so fast they will not even begin to know what in the H*** has hit them. We HAVE to do it this way or it will be at our own peril.

Am I underestimating our enemy?...No... As XfeetGuy said earlier, we are from an earlier generation, we also "know" stuff... nuff said :D

OldSwabbie

But I do agree with this. It is the most effecient, and in the long run the most humane way of fighting a war.

[t t]

In Iraq, we are fighting insurgents, Al Queda, and militias. We have also fought Iraqis who have been threatened (either their families or themselves), by any one of the above, and who have also lived under an oppressive (I don't think that word really covers it but...) regime for a very long time. What is so wrong with helping them build a nation for themselves? What is so wrong with helping a people until they can fend for themselves? And....if we didn't help them build their nation --- whose nation would it end up being? What would happen to the Iraqis? Who would be their next oppressor --- not us --- cuz that is not why we are there.

I think it is pretty clear by the benchmarks set for Iraq - that the US wants them to know peace and prosperity.

I'm too tired to talk about Iran. Nobody, as I see it, is in a rush to go to war. Not because we can't handle it -- but because, it is just possible, that it may not be neccessary.

[heavysurf]

HeavySurf... You are good to go Brother... I'm messing with you :D

I read your introduction post. Not having a Military/Naval background isnt required for posting here. You are an American ~ many have served so that you have the right to speak your mind... yes.. even if we dont agree... isnt that just so friggin INCREDIBLE!! We are such a blessed Country.

Forums are a fantastic way of getting to know people and to learn from people. On here I'm an old Fart - on other boards I am not....its all relative.

So you know, I was NOT a US Navy SEAL I was JAPOS.. Just a Plain Ole Sailor.:)

Read my Profile and my blogs, you may get a chuckle.. still trying to finish a few of them. You may have to wait after the site maintenance tonight.

http://www.navyseals.com/community/oldswabbie

OldSwabbie

thanks swabbie. i know u were just messing with me. i am a newfound Ron Paul supporter but have taken plenty of laughs/jokes about it already. i am more of a Ron Paul-ideal supporter than of the man himself. and i am glad that you do not need mil. experience to speak on the site, primarily because i have seen many aspiring sailor's getting important questions answered on this forum. looking forward to learning more myself...

[laney]

I believe that you seriously underestimate the strength of religious fundamentalism in that country. While we would have to face the Iranian army regulars, they have "special" forces. Some of these are elite and the nature of their actions is covert, i.e. the Quds Force. Then there are the Basij, these folks are not so "regular". Don't just assume that our Big Green Machine will face off against ONLY their army.

I believe you seriously underestimate the moderate majority of the population. Our big green machine won't face off against any Iranian army.

[jumpingbum]

I seriously doubt Boots will EVER be on the ground in Iran anytime soon...

What would happen is this...
Cruise Missiles, JDAMS and all kinds of other REALLY BAD BAD Things will happen to Iran first... when Iran's Navy is destroyed by ours in a matter of hours.. yea.. Iran... HOURS... its Army decimated, Its Air forces Scared to get off the deck, its Intelligence Services blinded... Power stations gone... Tanks destroyed before commanders can turn on the keys... Then... Iran will be given an ultimatum... SHUT up or face EVEN FURTHER Anillation...

We are NOT going to play with these people ~ if we hit them, its going to be hard and overwhelming and FAST.

OldSwabbie

What is that prophecy about Israel being hit from the North?