Top Secret Clearance

[9007112]

I have a question about security clearances, let's say someone has an issue with theirs, that the Navy recruiters said they can't fix, but a federal agency other than the DOD, said if I was accepted, they'd take care of it and an Army recruiter said he could(which I'm not even interested in, I'm just digging for info)

So my question is, if I fail my TS investigation, not because of the polygraph but because of things related to this "issue" and then enlist and fill out the SF-86 again, for Secret only, is there a chance I might get that, or is denied TS gonna have an impact?

Considering it goes like this:

CONFIDENTIAL / SECRET

1 . Personnel security questionnaire : The subject ' s self-reported answers on a paper SF-86 form or electronic form

2 . National agency check : Data from Federal Bureau of Investigation , military records , and other agencies as required

3 . Credit check : Data from credit bureaus where the subject lived / worked / attended school for at least 6 months

4 . Local agency checks : Data from law enforcement agencies where the subject lived / worked / attended school during the past 10 year or-in the case of reinvestigations- since the last security clearance investigation

5 . Date and place of birth : Corroboration of information supplied on the personnel security questionnaire


TOP SECRET: ALL THE ABOVE AND BELOW

7 . Education : Verification of most recent or significant claimed attendance , degree , or diploma "

8 . Employment : Review of employment records and interviews with workplace references , such as supervisors and coworkers

9 . References : Data from interviews with subject identified and investigator-developed leads

10 . National agency check for spouse or cohabitant :National agency check without fingerprints

11 . Former spouse : Data from interview ( s ) conducted with spouse ( s ) divorced within the last 10 years or since the last investigation or reinvestigation

12 . Neighborhoods : Interviews with neighbors and verification of residence through records check

13 . Public Records : Verification of issues , such as bankruptcy , divorce , and criminal and civil court cases

14 . Subject interview : Collection of relevant data , resolution of significant inconsistencies , or both .

Then 2 years later or something, can they reinvestigate the TS and have a different outcome considering I'd be in the Navy, with a Secret, passed BUD/S, great preformance and no problems, etc....?

Also, if you know someone who has experience or knows something about this, free or costs money, please give me their contact information, this has been stopping me from going in for 3 years now, I don't wanna enlist and pass everything but not be able to do anything because of no clearance.

If anyone remembers my older thread with that ***** snow85, I took care of almost every other issue I had and the last few are being worked on right now and are looking good......I just have this one last issue.

Thanks.

[oldswabbie]

Depends on the Issue. TS Clearances are not easy to get - believe me I know. If you have the issue now, you'll still have the issue. They dig and dig...and dig more. I truly believe they LOVE to find S*** so they can deny. Honestly, it all depends on what your "Issue" is. If its something like traffic tickets then yea, maybe those will fade away and not mean much if you keep your nose clean. But anything on your permanent record will just always be there.

It DOES help to have gotten a Secret clearance and then apply for a higher level when your command thinks you need it. It WILL go easier - but - the same show stoppers could pop up again and could actually kick you in the butt if you get an A** of an investigator... you never know. There are horror stories about this stuff.

OldSwabbie

[9007112]

Depends on the Issue. TS Clearances are not easy to get - believe me I know. If you have the issue now, you'll still have the issue. They dig and dig...and dig more. I truly believe they LOVE to find S*** so they can deny. Honestly, it all depends on what your "Issue" is. If its something like traffic tickets then yea, maybe those will fade away and not mean much if you keep your nose clean. But anything on your permanent record will just always be there.

It DOES help to have gotten a Secret clearance and then apply for a higher level when your command thinks you need it. It WILL go easier - but - the same show stoppers could pop up again and could actually kick you in the butt if you get an A** of an investigator... you never know. There are horror stories about this stuff.

OldSwabbie

It's not a criminal issue, I've been charged with felonies and a misdemeanor but NEVER convicted, just traffic tickets.

This issue however is more serious.

If you know someone who knows about this, lemme know please, willing to pay if that's their line of work, the Navy recruiters were completely worthless LOL, one of them told me to lie about it when they definitely would've found out about it, then said "it won't be an issue" LOL, other one said " I dunno what to do!" ****.....:rolleyes:

P.S.: So if the DOD can handle this issue like the other federal agency can, I'm pretty sure I can get secret and I know every other aspect will be grade A so that could work out.......

Thing is, I really do not want to work for this federal agency, I want to join with a SEAL contract, but if it's for a couple of years I might have to....

[ddssdv]

Backgrounds are to find people who are not to get a clearance. Matter of national security. I would say if you can't then you are not going to. Nor should you anyways.

[9007112]

Backgrounds are to find people who are not to get a clearance. Matter of national security. I would say if you can't then you are not going to. Nor should you anyways.

I did not know people's backgrounds and their investigations were done to see who are not to get a clearance, nor did I know it was a national security issue and even more amazing, I didn't know if I can't then...I won't....nor should I.......WOW.....you should write a book about security clearances, it'll sell like crazy!

[oldswabbie]

I did some looking back to what you were referring to - Geez, what a thread.

Ok, of course I was not able to read every post in that thread but read the meat of your post. You have a number of strikes against you, serious strikes. I'm not saying they can't be overcome but they are huge. It's not like a Hell week challenge that by sheer determination you will overcome them either. Some things just "Are" what they are. Security Clearances are determined not just by meeting criteria A,B,C,D etc and then you have it. The DSS investigators will file their reports and whoever makes the decision looks at "The Whole Person" in regards to the clearance process. Everything will be taken into account.

Even though you were NOT convicted of the offense - the government WILL see this and WILL probably look at it. They look at your credit too. The investigators talk to your FRIENDS...they will ask them what kind of person you are. They will even ask people that DONT LIKE YOU about you (This is for a TS). They put all this together and get a "Picture" of you and say ...Can we trust this Individual with TOP SECRET information? Yes or No. SI or Compartmented information is another whole ball game of Spook stuff I really dont want to get into.

Your Family tree WILL have some degree of influence in this also I'm afraid to say. Not that foreign nationals dont get clearances, but they look at everything. When I enlisted and got my Top Secret SI Clearance, at that time I was told by the investigators that at least 2 generations of my family had to be native born American citizens. I was lucky - I am NATIVE AMERICAN ... how much more Native can you get? (I thought it was funny...sounded funny in my head...) :)

How true all this was ~ dont know. But at the Height of the Cold War I would imagine it was true.

I just dont know. You can keep trying, I would be disappointed in you if you didnt. But I'm doubtful of some good outcomes on a few of the points you brought up. If it were all based on sheer determination ~ you would have no trouble! If I can help you, I will...but I dont know how.


OldSwabbie