Who trains the SEALs? [Archive] - NavySEALs.com Forums

coronadodreamin

05-23-2008, 01:53 PM

A guy I know is trying to tell me that only recon Marines train bud/s students. He also says that recon Marines go through the exact same training. I don't understand why he would say this especially considering he was a recon Marine.

SEALs train SEALs. The individual you're referring to is an idiot with an inflated ego and self-worth.

pipelinesurfer

05-23-2008, 01:54 PM

your friend is a...

i cant bad mouth him, seeing as he served this country...even if he was recon...

the only guys who train SEALs are SEALs. pick up a book, The warrior elite by **** couch or any book about SEALs and you can read about it.

btw, this information is easily found not only on the internet but on this very site, come on bro, show some initiative.

partemisio

05-23-2008, 02:11 PM

I was trying to convince him that SEALs train SEALs but he just kept saying "I have been in the military I know."

He said he knows this because a recon buddy of his was supposedly going to be an istructor at bud/s.

I searched the site and didn't find anything to show him. I also searched google. Both kept coming up with parts of trainig and not who trains them.

leahy_j

05-23-2008, 02:15 PM

Are you 100% sure he was a Recon Marine?

oldswabbie

05-23-2008, 02:46 PM

Wait a Second... I smell something... Have that numbskull log on here. We would LOVE to have a TALK with this guy....UH wait... POSER.....

Seriously...Tell him to get an account and get on here.. He better pray that no SEALS (REAL DEAL) look him up Recon Marine or not. Besides. I've known a few Recon's in my life and they had nothing but good things to say about SEALS. Sure they poked fun when it was just us Navy & Marine Corps together. But Marine Recon will always give SEAL its due.... ALWAYS. This guy was probably just a ground pounder who WISHED he was Recon.

OldSwabbie

pipelinesurfer

05-23-2008, 02:53 PM

here read more:

http://www.navyseals.com/operational-training

partemisio

05-23-2008, 03:45 PM

Are you 100% sure he was a Recon Marine?

No.

I know he was a marine because he was in with one of my other friends. He has told me he was recon but has not shown proof or anything. From the way he talks I don't think he was. But he swears up and down that he was.

oldswabbie

05-23-2008, 03:46 PM

Like I said, have like log on here or over at Socnet. It will take uh... maybe 5 minutes to figure this one out.

Oldswabbie

partemisio

05-23-2008, 03:47 PM

partemisio

05-23-2008, 03:50 PM

Like I said, have like log on here or over at Socnet. It will take uh... maybe 5 minutes to figure this one out.

Oldswabbie

I will see if I can get him to make an account on here.

leahy_j

05-23-2008, 04:06 PM

oldswabbie

05-23-2008, 04:17 PM

Yea, heard it all too. Marines are great guys, I love em! Security Clearances? Ha. There are only 3. After that you get into Compartmented information which we do not talk about on here. But in essence there are only 3.

OldSwabbie

overcome.101

05-23-2008, 04:47 PM

Security Clearances? Ha. There are only 3. After that you get into Compartmented information which we do not talk about on here. But in essence there are only 3.

OldSwabbie

Thank you oldswabbie...I actually learned something from this thread. Whew, close one.

oldswabbie

05-23-2008, 05:25 PM

If you want me to explain security clearances to you in an email I can do that. I can go over what compartmented information is also. Not that you cant Google it but it just wouldnt be appropriate on the site. Ill give you the laymans version of it. Its not that difficult to understand.

OldSwabbie

oldswabbie

05-23-2008, 05:55 PM

A guy I know is trying to tell me that only recon Marines train bud/s students. He also says that recon Marines go through the exact same training. I don't understand why he would say this especially considering he was a recon Marine.

By the way, I'm ready anytime for that dude that claims he's Recon Marine. I have some people that are ready to Vet him out as 0321 ONCE we get him straightened out about bud/s. They can better vet him than we can and they wont be so nice about it IF he isnt. Usually guys that talk like that send up big red flags..... I told them if they see me walk in with a squiggling Marine under my arm they'll know why. :D

OldSwabbie

speeding

05-23-2008, 06:15 PM

Look your friend is an idiot. But he probalbly just got misunderstood. SEALS train SEALS. What your friend was refering to was the recon training they do in the same place Bud's is at in Coronado. Part of Recon training is delt with the small rubber boats that SEALS also use. In which they train for it in Coronado. So I can see where your friend was thinking that Recon Marines train the guys at Bud's, but they don't. I have also heard of Recon Marines doing some training where they get put out in the desert and locked up in cages and pretty much get treated like sh##. But I can never find info on this stuff either. I'm thinking it might be part of SERE training or how ever you spell it.

oldswabbie

05-23-2008, 06:52 PM

It probably could be. Whats happened in the last couple of years is that there have been such a huge increase in people "Claiming" to be alot of things. I believe this is because of the increased "Good" attention Veterans and the Military is now getting as opposed to what we got after Vietnam.

Even more sadly - Civilians having no military service at all are now walking around saying they are veterans. Just about all of us BDTD's have had it up to our eye balls with these guys at all levels. Whether its Marines, Navy, Army, AF, Puddle Pirates. Honestly, I dont see a Poser under every rock but stuff like this sends Red Flags flying with me.

OldSwabbie

bud/s 184

05-23-2008, 10:53 PM

I don't mean any offense if he truly was a Recon Marine. But I've heard some real bull**** before. I was at a party one night and met a guy in the Air National Guard claiming to have security clearance second to the President's.

Home dik is a clown!! He worked as a KP....and read some cool books!! Listen the TEAMS are a fraternity...more than anything a Brotherhood!! We live and die by SOP'S...that where created from the blood of the brotherhood..the heart and stamina of TEAM guys...and the Will to do WHATEVER it takes to complete the mission is what makes this Fraternity Special....that's why EVERY Instructor at/in BUD/S is a TEAM GUY!! TEAM GUYS and ONLY TEAM GUYS are willing to make and assure the TEAMS are man'd by dudes with the resources and HEART to Survive as an organization....TEAM GUY"s being put thru BUD/S by marines.....Pahhhleeeez!! Kick this Dudes ***......cause I assure you he is a p#$sy!!!

partemisio

05-24-2008, 05:44 AM

I talked to the guy about making an account on here. He said "I don't need to get on the internet to prove anything to you, you should just know I'm right."

oldswabbie

05-24-2008, 06:03 AM

I talked to the guy about making an account on here. He said "I don't need to get on the internet to prove anything to you, you should just know I'm right."

The guy is full of S*** - you can tell him I said that. You can also tell this Peanut brain to get his facts straight about SEAL training before he opens that big pie hole he calls his mouth. His Mother and his DI should have taught him that. If this numbskull googles bud/s he will find out that 0321 does NOT train SEAL - SEAL trains SEAL. And - Recon Marine's do NOT receive the exact same training as Navy SEALS. Yes Recon training is - Tough as HELL, about the same DOR as SEAL if I remember right. Probably why HE NEVER MADE IT. You can copy and paste this to him... hope it pisses him off enough to look this crap up before he starts running off at the mouth. I have some boys over at Leatherneck.com ready to vet his butt for 0321 so Ill guess Ill have to wait and see if he ever gets the cojones to show up and talk his smack on here.

Look, thats the way it usually goes. These guys are ALL talk - REAL BIG talk until they have to come on someplace like this or leathernecks.com and get into the light and say the same things to us they are saying to you. They will RUN like H*** cuss and make up stories as they are running. Sure, he might have served but his mouth is now writing checks his butt cant cash.

OldSwabbie

oldswabbie

05-24-2008, 07:21 AM

Guys - If I seem a bit miffed about this sorry. Its getting worse all over. While over on Leathernecks.com (great bunch of guys) a jarhead was talking about some dude he saw walk in where he was. The man had on a ball cap - Marine Master Sgt pin, Vietnam pins all over the place etc...you know the drill. The guy was 45! Not a tooth in his head. The young Marine cautiously asked him where he went to Boot - the guy couldnt tell him where ... "he forgot".

Stuff like that makes my blood boil. Stuff like this guy talking to Partismo just irritates the snot out of me. Its kinda like a radar, as soon as someone like that opens their mouths and starts that crap the radar goes off. You KNOW something aint right.

If you run into these kind of people, think before you slug them (I know the urge may be overpowering). Exposing their lies and their shame is the best medicine. When wasn't it enough to have just "Served" without trying to be John Rambo?

OldSwabbie

mmaakuma

05-25-2008, 10:48 PM

I heard that baseball coaches are teaching soccer players now.

jumpingbum

05-25-2008, 11:45 PM

ddssdv

05-26-2008, 09:45 AM

The only time I can remember ANY frog getting marine trained is at Scout Sniper School at Pendalton. Your buddy is talking out his ***.

bud/s 184

05-26-2008, 09:58 AM

Don't SEALs do SERE? Or is there a Navy equivalent?

Yes...TEAM Guy's go through SERE....on the East Coast we went to Brunswick
Maine!!

oldswabbie

05-26-2008, 11:14 AM

The only time I can remember ANY frog getting marine trained is at Scout Sniper School at Pendalton. Your buddy is talking out his ***.

Yea, we're all waiting for his lame A__ to get on here and have everyone take a shot at him. By the time we're through he will be a mumbling fool....wait... he's halfway there...He's already a FOOL....All we need to do is make him Mumble. Like I said earlier, a "Real" Recon Marine would not go around saying that BS because its not true. IF by some huge remote (I do mean remote) possibility he was 0321, then he needs to be straightened out by his Senior NCO.

:)

Oldswabbie

searles72

05-26-2008, 11:24 AM

Actually if anyone really thought about the question before it was asked....the answer should of been self known.....but then not all have logical sense, do they?????

snikka55

05-26-2008, 02:28 PM

This reminds me of the time I was at work and a friend of mine came to visit me. She was with this guy and I asked him what he did for a living, he said "Airforce" and so I asked him what is your MOS? He said, "what is an MOS?" So right there I put up a red flag then I said, what do you do in the Airforce and he spit out that he was Pararescue....I was laughing inside..you should have seen the guy, a complete moron. People that tell me they are in the service or say are veterans and can't answer simple questions make me angry...very angry. Just thought I'd share =)

iamfubar44861

05-26-2008, 02:35 PM

Yes...TEAM Guy's go through SERE....on the East Coast we went to Brunswick
Maine!!

Maine? MAINE?? Nothing worthwhile exists in that state whatsoever. It's like my backyard extended for hundreds of miles. That must have sucked royally.

bud/s 184

05-26-2008, 02:45 PM

Maine? MAINE?? Nothing worthwhile exists in that state whatsoever. It's like my backyard extended for hundreds of miles. That must have sucked royally.

Uhhh....yeah....more than you know!! Very interesting to say the least!!!

jumpingbum

05-26-2008, 02:54 PM

Maine? MAINE?? Nothing worthwhile exists in that state whatsoever. It's like my backyard extended for hundreds of miles. That must have sucked royally.

Bowdoin College, Bates College, LLBean.

Shall I continue? I grew up in New England and, sorry but, I take HUGE exception to that statement.

austinnadz

05-26-2008, 03:28 PM

Well your friend basically is an idiot. I doubt his even a Recon Marine if he insisted that statement was true. However, coming from a former Jarhead here, I know a lot of incredibly dumb and misinformed Marines so he may very well believe that he is right.

As to a couple of things I'd like to have cleared up on this thread.

Are Airforce job designations actually called MOS's? A good buddy of mine doesn't call it an MOS, and my sister who is in the Army doesn't call it an MOS either I'm pretty sure.

As to Maine, I have to comment (I was born and raised in Auburn, Maine.)
Let me educate you on good things that come from Maine.

Stephen King: Wrote many books that were turned into blockbuster movies that in all likelihood you've heard of and or seen.

Joshua Chamberlain- Won the battle of Gettysburg for the Northern Union army by directing the 20th Maine against Robert E. Lee (may REL rest in peace)

Some of Maine's largest exports are Lumber, Blueberries and Potatoes, which you've probably had a taste of

Bath Iron Works: Produces many ships for the US Navy

Savage Lobster fishing

Poland Spring Water

SERE school, saved many military men's life I'm sure of it

Of course, I am from Maine, please, no praise is needed ;)

and lastly, we are a huge border with Canada, we keep the Cannucks off of the rest of the US Backs!!

no but seriously, Maine is awesome, lay off.

bud/s 184

05-26-2008, 03:30 PM

Bowdoin College, Bates College, LLBean.

Shall I continue? I grew up in New England and, sorry but, I take HUGE exception to that statement.

Brunswick...was a cool little town...we got in a couple day's early. The TEAM gave us a nice budget to stock up on cold weather gear...at LLBean. We found a couple of nice watering holes....but as far as SERE....that was
an interesting experience...to say the least!!

partemisio

05-26-2008, 03:46 PM

Are Airforce job designations actually called MOS's? A good buddy of mine doesn't call it an MOS, and my sister who is in the Army doesn't call it an MOS either I'm pretty sure.

Army calls it an mos. The four people I know in the Army do any way. Not sure about Air Force though.

I think I am going to ask this guy what his mos was to see if he comes up with 0321

searles72

05-26-2008, 04:42 PM

and lastly, we are a huge border with Canada, we keep the Cannucks off of the rest of the US Backs!!

Im sorry but I take offense to that comment....Im one of those CANUCKS (which is the proper spelling) your talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jumpingbum

05-26-2008, 07:25 PM

Im sorry but I take offense to that comment....Im one of those CANUCKS (which is the proper spelling) your talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A section of his last line was "but seriously." You know we love you... :)

jumpingbum

05-26-2008, 07:26 PM

Army calls it an mos. The four people I know in the Army do any way. Not sure about Air Force though.

I think I am going to ask this guy what his mos was to see if he comes up with 0321

What does the Navy call it? Because I know I got looked at cross-eyed by a Marine when I asked him about his MOS....

jumpingbum

05-26-2008, 07:28 PM

Brunswick...was a cool little town...we got in a couple day's early. The TEAM gave us a nice budget to stock up on cold weather gear...at LLBean. We found a couple of nice watering holes....but as far as SERE....that was
an interesting experience...to say the least!!

The Navy LET you buy stuff at LLBEAN! What will they do next? :eek:

KIDDING!!!!:cool:

partemisio

05-26-2008, 08:45 PM

What does the Navy call it? Because I know I got looked at cross-eyed by a Marine when I asked him about his MOS....

The Marines call it an mos also. Not sure about the Navy though.

MrParker

05-26-2008, 09:11 PM

In the navy we have 'Rates' and with in those rates we have NEC. That is Naval Enlisted Classification codes. SEALs get NEC's, BUD/S grads get NEC's, I don't know if any 'A' schools give NEC's but most 'C' schools do. My brother was a GM, he didn't get an NEC from 'A' school but he got one from his 'C' school. An NEC basically means that you have special training in that field. What would be similar to MOS's in the Army of Marines.

MrParker

05-26-2008, 09:18 PM

Navy calls it Rating. Not to be confused with Rate, which means Rank, but only for enlisted. Officers climb Ranks, enlisted climb Rates. The Navy just HAD to stand out with all their traditions.

Just to correct and not to confuse 'Rate' with 'Rank', two different things. You climb rank with in a rate, true...But you have to have a rate to make rank. Your rate is a job, your rank is your pay grade. Have LDO's, line officers, CWO's...that, well...you'll figure it out once your in...

thepho

05-26-2008, 09:54 PM

No.

I know he was a marine because he was in with one of my other friends. He has told me he was recon but has not shown proof or anything. From the way he talks I don't think he was. But he swears up and down that he was.

i met an ex-marine in MEPS, who swore up and down that when he was sent to afghanistan about 6 years ago, he met SEAL Team 6. Although from my inquiry, it was evident that he had no idea of who Richard Marcinko is, or of the term Naval Special Warfare Development Group. i, of course, didnt go any further since im just a depper.

thepho

05-26-2008, 09:56 PM

I think it is Rating, not Rate. Rating is your job (GM, HM, EM, etc) and Rate is your "Rank". Officers climb Ranks, enlisted climb Rates.
q: "sailor, what is your rate?"
a: "seaman"
q: "and your rating?"
a: "hm"

dont navy personnel usually say HM1, AM2, SK3, or something like that? im sorry, its just that i hear that from my petty officers alot

leahy_j

05-26-2008, 09:57 PM

I've scrambled this thread enough, I'll let Parker answer that one, haha!

joshdupre

05-26-2008, 10:06 PM

In the Navy yes once you become a Petty Officer then you are addressed as such example MR2. So if someone ask me what is my rate then my reply is simply MR because MR is a job/rate. When someone says what is your rank then my rank is MR2 stands for MR rate 2 = Petty Officer Second Class E-5.

MR2

MrParker

05-26-2008, 10:08 PM

I've scrambled this thread enough, I'll let Parker answer that one, haha!

Ha ha,

OK but this is the last time as this is some easy ****. I can completely understand why this gets confusing to those that have not been in the navy as it is different from all other branches.

Rate- that is your job...
Rank- that is your pay grade

you put them together to make your 'title' so to speak. Your rate and rank are you frist name in the regular navy...you are AO1 such and such, you are HM3 so and so, or you are Seaman Sample, haha, for real, had a guy in Deck dept. that was a Seman and swear to God his last name was Sample! Needless to say he made 3rd his first time up!

So if you are a Gunners Mate and a E1 you are a GMSR, that would be a Gunners Mate Seman Recruit. If you are a GM and a Chief then you are a GMC...2nd class, GM2, 1st, GM1...etc...I was AO2...

mmaakuma

05-27-2008, 12:43 AM

i met an ex-marine in MEPS, who swore up and down that when he was sent to afghanistan about 6 years ago, he met SEAL Team 6. Although from my inquiry, it was evident that he had no idea of who Richard Marcinko is, or of the term Naval Special Warfare Development Group. i, of course, didnt go any further since im just a depper.
That doesn't mean much. I met a guy in the 82nd once, does that mean I can name even three COs in their prestigious history? It's a little different with Marcinko as the man has a hundred books out, but you get the point.

He may or may not be lying. He very well might believe he did meet someone in DEVGRU, just an honest mistake. The Marine isn't really embellishing anything either like saying he was in DEVGRU or worked for them.

jumpingbum

05-27-2008, 12:48 AM

Ha ha,

OK but this is the last time as this is some easy ****. I can completely understand why this gets confusing to those that have not been in the navy as it is different from all other branches.

Rate- that is your job...
Rank- that is your pay grade

you put them together to make your 'title' so to speak. Your rate and rank are you frist name in the regular navy...you are AO1 such and such, you are HM3 so and so, or you are Seaman Sample, haha, for real, had a guy in Deck dept. that was a Seman and swear to God his last name was Sample! Needless to say he made 3rd his first time up!

So if you are a Gunners Mate and a E1 you are a GMSR, that would be a Gunners Mate Seman Recruit. If you are a GM and a Chief then you are a GMC...2nd class, GM2, 1st, GM1...etc...I was AO2...

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Abbott: What?

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