RTC Drug Test

[mcslick12]

So last wednesday at our DEP meeting I had the privledge of taking an hour of my time to fill out a navy drug test questionare. It stated that upon arrival to RTC we will take a drug test that will be able to tell if we have taken drugs at any time while we were in DEP. Now this leads me to my question. I recently acquired the knowledge that a fellow depper of mine, one who has no intentions of becoming a SEAL, brought a vile of clean urine with him to fake a drug test at the meeting. This was about a month ago and he leaves in September. Now, my question is will he test positive at RTC, the only reason I ask is because I am the leading depper of our station and I would like to know if I should notify my recruiter and maybe he will get a later ship date, or if hell be fine by then if he doesnt do any more drugs, or if I should just let him go and if he gets caught its on him.

any help is appreciated

[duquema]

It depends on when he last used and how much. If he just took one hit of marijuana a week ago it will definitely be out of his system by September. On average it take about 3 months to get pot out of ones system so he probably will be fine if he doesn't use at all before September. It would take a mass amount of mary jane for him to pop on a test in September if he smoked last month. Also, since you're lead DEPper make sure he quits. Get on his *** about it. When does he ship? I ship Sept. 24th

[mcslick12]

I had a serious talk with him about it and he said that he used like 3 times a week up until a month ago and he swears that was the last time he did it. He is shipping out september 25th along with 2 other friends of mine and im shipping out on the 15 of september, so ill be able to pressure him the whole way through basic.

[oldswabbie]

Didnt they watch you guys give the samples? Under a normal chain of custody urine drop its part of the procedure to feel the temperature of the vial to see if its either too cold or too hot.

I was watching a show on Marine Corps boot camp a few weeks ago. One gal got to about her 4th week.. they called her in.. that was it. She was out - Drugs. Took 4 weeks for them to get the results apparently and they dropped her. Now she has to wait a year before she can enlist again, if she fails again she can never go back.

This is one of those things I was talking about - Truth AND Consequences. Too much at stake man, too much. Watch your back and dont let any of this screw YOU up ok.

OldSwabbie

[mcslick12]

we have to take a urine test once a month which consists of them handing us a cup, us going back to the bathroom, bringing the cup back out to them to put the dip stick in, apparently he had the vile taped to his leg to keep it body temp. Im thinking Im just going to let him take his chances with the test at RTC rather than tell the recruiter. If he wants to screw up his chances in the Navy thats on him.

[oldswabbie]

Boy, thats a tough one. I would say DO NOT GET INVOLVED. Unless you have absolute knowledge that he is doing this stay out of it. Let this clown pay for his own mistakes. If he tries to tell you what he's doing tell him you dont want to hear it and dont want to know a D*** thing about it. This way you arent involved and your hands are clean. NOW - IF you know he has done this and you are asked DO NOT LIE. Its not about ratting out a friend its about being honest and about doing the right thing. By lying to them you jump into a world you want no part of.

My 2cents and ill stow my lie detector

OldSwabbie

[austinnadz]

the way it has always been done with me in the marine corps was they literally watched me with my junk in hand while I peed. when I was done, one handed I had to hold the bottle of pee over my shoulder all the way to initialing it. this was done when I was on active duty, when I was at MCRD Parris Island, and when I was on reserve duty. I'd let him know he is seriously going to screw it up for himself, or mention to your recruiter about reminding DEPers in the DEP about drug use and have him scare the jesus out of everyone.

I'd also like to add that I had a few buddies in the Marine Corps reserve pop on a piss test. They didn't boot them out of the marines, they did something worse. They've been non-recommended for at least a year for promotion. These guys are Iraq combat veterans, one with a combat V, another with a purple heart. These guys were sure for promotion from Lance Cpl to Cpl and even sgts. These guys have not been kicked out they have just reached their terminal ranks in the Marine Corps. By all rights they could have been kicked out. I also had a buddy pop for Aderoll in his system. He has a civilian prescription for it, but it wasn't listed with the Marine Corps. Our command literally every weekend said to us, "If you have any new medications, please get them on file." This guy didn't, and he popped in a piss test. He got in some deep crap for it, he wasn't separated from the marines, but he could have been.

I can't stress enough that drugs and the military don't mix. Sure you can probably smoke up a couple of times and you will be fine. But ask yourself, is the juice really worth the squeeze? Is a little dope (or a lot) worth ruining your life/career in the military? Consider these questions carefully before you take that hit.


And for the record marijuana is approximately 30 days in system for a pee test according to my drug education text book, and 6 months with a hair test.

[montstar]

The hair follicle test is only really accurate for about 90 days. With urine it varies. The THC, I thinks thats what its called, is stored in fat cells. So a persons with a lower body fat percentage will be clean sooner.

[Ambassador]

I'm going to chime in here considering that I was involved with urine drug screens for years.

According to the chain of custody there should be someone at the testing facility there in the room with the donator. All urine specimens are temped as they must fall within a certain range for them to be accurate. All urine specimens are also tested for proper levels to ensure that they have not been diluted. If they fall either above or below the range or fall outside of the proper levels, the donator must drink water in order to submit another sample. They are not permitted to leave the testing facility until another specimen is given.

There are no definites as to the time it takes for any particular drug to get out of your system. It will vary from person to person. There are many things that factor into it. It will depend on the person's weight, amount of the drug that took, how much food they have consumed and how much has left their body.

[MrParker]

Just so you know, their is no hiding at boot...their is NO WAY anyone is gonna be able to slip a clean urine sample by all the RDC's...trust me. In the fleet I had over 20 piss test in 5 years. Had two back to back. Was TAD to the brig and had them every month...had a LOT of friends get kicked out for drugs. They all get caught eventually...

[leahy_j]

Im thinking Im just going to let him take his chances with the test at RTC rather than tell the recruiter. If he wants to screw up his chances in the Navy thats on him.

Bingo, if he wants the Navy he shouldn't have ****ed up. The recruiters tell you from get-go that there is a "zero tolerance" for drugs. Apparently federal crimes don't float to well with the Navy.

[oldswabbie]

There is alot at stake. You have young people quite often running around with fully automatic weapons :) These same young people routinely handle highly classified materials. The lives of their buddies/shipmates are on the line ~ no room for drugs in that environment.

OldSwabbie

[mcslick12]

There is alot at stake. You have young people quite often running around with fully automatic weapons :) These same young people routinely handle highly classified materials. The lives of their buddies/shipmates are on the line ~ no room for drugs in that environment.

OldSwabbie

well that about sums it up for me haha
im going to have another talk with him about it and after that hes on his own.
thanks for the advice guys

[oldswabbie]

Glad we could help. Rule of thumb in the Navy ~ CYOA ~ Cover Your Own A** :)

Good Luck

OldSwabbie

[austinnadz]

I dunno what the heck you are talking about oldSwabbie, cover your own ***, that's my 12th general order in the marine corps! :)

[oldswabbie]

I dunno what the heck you are talking about oldSwabbie, cover your own ***, that's my 12th general order in the marine corps! :)

Ok, MILITARY WIDE rule ~ Marines ESPECIALLY included <ha ha> CYOA!

[leahy_j]

CYOA!

Well, I feel a little better now. All this time I thought you were trying to say ciao!

[oldswabbie]

Well, I feel a little better now. All this time I thought you were trying to say ciao!

Ha ha. I can talk like that too! I use to speak Italian very well, I was there 2 1/2 years, Loved it! Screwed up my Spanish tho, everyone laughs at me, says I speak "Spitalian".

OldSwabbie