Couple questions regarding firearms

[saikou]

I have a couple questions regarding firearms. I'm 18 (19 in October), so I believe I'm able to purchase and own a firearm in every state (correct me if I'm wrong please), and I know I need to be 21 to apply for my Concealed Carry permit.

Now, I have questions regarded handguns and rifles. I've handled plenty of guns in recreational shooting in the past, such as .357 .38 .40 .45 30-06 .308 12-ga, etc. However, I haven't done much in the recent years.

I was wondering on handguns first, which would you recommend to someone getting back into shooting - a .45 or something a bit smaller... I was thinking maybe a 9mm? Also, a good brand/model suggestion... I was looking at the Glock 21 .45 Auto, not sure if it's any good though.

Rifles. I've had a fondness for sniping for a long time, so I was wondering what model/make of rifle/scope/suppressor/etc you would recommend looking into as a civilian, and what caliber/action.

Thanks for any help. =)

[mobthesi]

well it depends on where u live bc i live in cali and u have to be 21 to even buy a pistol but if u live where u can at 18 than i would stick with smith & wesson .45 those r nice or even a taurus those are good to. and rifle wise im prety sure that the seals use the m14 alot for sniping i think any 7.62 or 308 .cal will be good but scope wise i dont kno to much about scopes hope i helped a little

[firsttimeeverytime]

gotta be 21 in ohio to buy a pistol. I bought a Glock 23, its a .40 cal. Very nice guns.

[saikou]

Oh, in that case what if I live in a state where the age is 18 and I travel to CA or Ohio... where it's 21?

Also... since you own a Glock, do you find them to be reliable?

Quick edit... What are some brands you guys would recommend for .45 ammunition?

[aj1953]

I have a Sig Sauer and used a Glock 9mm while on the job as a police officer. I carry all the time now and have a small .380 Kel-Tec and get my ammo on-line from Georgia Arms. 770-459-5117. Hollow-point.
Carrying in each state is not a given with a concealed weapon permit or a retired police officer. You need to check each state but I remember there is also a Federal site that list which ones you can carry in. I'll see if I can find the site for you AJ

[ddssdv]

I have a Sig Sauer and used a Glock 9mm while on the job as a police officer. I carry all the time now and have a small .380 Kel-Tec and get my ammo on-line from Georgia Arms. 770-459-5117. Hollow-point.
Carrying in each state is not a given with a concealed weapon permit or a retired police officer. You need to check each state but I remember there is also a Federal site that list which ones you can carry in. I'll see if I can find the site for you AJ

AJ...waste of time. He is 18. No CCW or handgun for him. Close this thread please.

[saikou]

AJ...waste of time. He is 18. No CCW or handgun for him. Close this thread please.

It's true I can't get a permit for CCW yet, but according to Florida's gun laws I am able to purchase and own a handgun. I just can't carry it with me, which I don't plan to do until I can get my permit. Right now I'm just looking into it so I can do some recreational shooting and get used to it again.

To AJ, if you find that site please let me know. :) Also, I looked at Sig Sauer's P220 Match and the P226... Do you have any experience with those two?

Edit: I found a list of states which honor Florida's CCW on the Division of Licensing website.

[sirmonty]

The handguns that I currently have:
Taurus PT1911 and Springfield Champion for a .45
H&K P30 for 9mm
Sig Sauer P229 Equinox for .40
Browning Buckmark .22

Recommend any of them. Some are a bit pricey, but some are really reasonable (like the Buckmark or the Taurus).

I would personally go for a lighter caliber for starting out (ammo = cheaper = shoot more often) such as a 9mm or even a .22.

Happy shooting.

[saikou]

The handguns that I currently have:
Taurus PT1911 and Springfield Champion for a .45
H&K P30 for 9mm
Sig Sauer P229 Equinox for .40
Browning Buckmark .22

Recommend any of them. Some are a bit pricey, but some are really reasonable (like the Buckmark or the Taurus).

I would personally go for a lighter caliber for starting out (ammo = cheaper = shoot more often) such as a 9mm or even a .22.

Happy shooting.

That's what I was thinkng, the G21/G30's are only about $550, but the ammo is nearly $1/cartridge. I'll check into some 9mm's as well, the ammo seemed to be a bit cheaper. I'm going to a Army/Navy store next week to see what size fits my hands best.. I'll check prices there.

Thanks for all the advice so far, keep the recommended models coming, I'm checking into all of them. =)

[oldswabbie]

I have a couple questions regarding firearms. I'm 18 (19 in October), so I believe I'm able to purchase and own a firearm in every state (correct me if I'm wrong please), and I know I need to be 21 to apply for my Concealed Carry permit.

Now, I have questions regarded handguns and rifles. I've handled plenty of guns in recreational shooting in the past, such as .357 .38 .40 .45 30-06 .308 12-ga, etc. However, I haven't done much in the recent years.

I was wondering on handguns first, which would you recommend to someone getting back into shooting - a .45 or something a bit smaller... I was thinking maybe a 9mm? Also, a good brand/model suggestion... I was looking at the Glock 21 .45 Auto, not sure if it's any good though.

Rifles. I've had a fondness for sniping for a long time, so I was wondering what model/make of rifle/scope/suppressor/etc you would recommend looking into as a civilian, and what caliber/action.

Thanks for any help. =)

I've got my favorites but cant afford them :)

My favorite Sniper rifle - M14 (ive seen where they are shipping these to SOF lately) One picture I saw they were breaking open crates of BRAND NEW M14's in Cosmoline! DANG! I'd LOVE ONE OF THOSE! Anyone have a towel I can wipe the drool off my chin???

1st choice Handgun I have a Model 19 Smith & Wesson 357
2nd choice I have a Nickel plated Colt 45 (Single Action) sweet gun

Since I cant afford $2500 for an M14 and the $500.00 permit (DOH), I chose the Ruger Mini-14. It beats the AR's or the Bushmasters as far as jams go hands down. It also breaks down almost identically to the M14 except for the recoil spring guide and the gas piston ports (used for RPG's). Great weapon. Plus the ammo is pretty cheap (223 at gun shows best prices).

My 2cents and Ill stow my WEAPONS & Gear:)

[saikou]

Heh, I think I'm going to have trouble finding a rifle setup I really like, but I'll keep looking.

Another question just popped into my head... regarding magazine capacity. I remember reading somewhere about them... but I can't remember exactly what it said. Is there a limit on how big a handgun's magazine can be? I see the G19 has a 10rd/15rd.. just wondering.

[oldswabbie]

Heh, I think I'm going to have trouble finding a rifle setup I really like, but I'll keep looking.

Another question just popped into my head... regarding magazine capacity. I remember reading somewhere about them... but I can't remember exactly what it said. Is there a limit on how big a handgun's magazine can be? I see the G19 has a 10rd/15rd.. just wondering.


From what I understand, its 10 bullets for a new handgun (Federal law). But, if it was manufacturered prior to 1994 then its grandfathered in. I think thats it in a nutshell, but you should check further.

[MrParker]

The ban is over so you are allowed high cap mags again. Unless of course the gun you choose only comes with 10 rounders. As for what to get...go to a gun shop with a range and shoot a **** load of guns! See which one you like, feels best in your hands, recoil is not too bad, sights are good, sight picture is quick to acquire, etc...

I have had a few guns, Maddi AK, DPMS M4, Mossberg 590, and a few .22lr. As for pistols one thing to remember, John Browning. He designed the 1911, the Browning, and from those two guns, the angle of the barrel to the grip, most guns use that angle. The other is S&W, which I personally hate. Not that they are bad guns by any means, they just 'point' different. Shoot a 1911 then pick up a Glock...they point very different. Not a huge deal but I grew up in 1911 style guns so that is what I like.

With that I have owned: Ruger P94 (9mm) an awesome gun, Colt 1911 (my favorite), HK USP 45 (love that one too), Kimber Pro Carry 45 (my ccw gun with night sights), and the lovely Ruger MK II .22lr bull Barrel. The MK II is the way to go to learn to shoot or teach some one.

I have also shot thousands of rounds through the M9 and the Sig P226. Both amazing guns. Just a side note on that P226. My friends had a problem with mis-fires and so does my brothers. So those two guns have not been reliable at all...which is odd of course because they are Sigs...

[MrParker]

well it depends on where u live bc i live in cali and u have to be 21 to even buy a pistol but if u live where u can at 18 than i would stick with smith & wesson .45 those r nice or even a taurus those are good to. and rifle wise im prety sure that the seals use the m14 alot for sniping i think any 7.62 or 308 .cal will be good but scope wise i dont kno to much about scopes hope i helped a little

Just so you know, 7.62 and .308 are the same thing. When people refer to 7.62 they mean 7.62x51mm which is the .308. Unless they are talking about 7.62x39mm which is the AK 47 round, the AK 74 uses a different round. Same goes for 5.56, that is the same as .223.

You want a good round, .308, .300 win man, .338 lupal, 30 ought 6 (Hath**** used this one). Get the point, they will all do, in the end it's the shooter.

Rifles. I've had a fondness for sniping for a long time, so I was wondering what model/make of rifle/scope/suppressor/etc you would recommend looking into as a civilian, and what caliber/action.

I just want to add to this real quick then I am out. If you want to get something long rifle wise just so you can have the fun of shooting a good distance. Get a AR15/M4 right now. From what I have heard (because I don't pay attention anymore) there is another ban coming down the line that will be even worse than the first. If you can't afford a full built up M4, get the lower receiver now. Once you have the lower, you can do pretty much whatever you want with it. I say this because you will be able to build any array of 'uppers' for it. You can get yourself a 20" heavy fluted-crowned-free floating barrel with a flat top upper with some awesome optic and slap it on the lower and BLAM! You got yourself one respectable rifle.

You get two for one, or maybe 10 for one. Get the lower before it's banned again. You'll never regret it.

[oldswabbie]

Yea, who knows what the H*** is going to happen if the Gun Control nuts get in power. I bought a bunch of extra mags for my Mini when the Assault Weapon ban went into effect back in the 90's. The price on them went up to almost $80.00 a piece for awhile, really sucked.

Another good and accurate rifle is a 30.06, great ballistics (although rounded). I have an old Remington model 700 30.06 and I've put rounds in 3" groups at 200 yards (no, not going to lie and say it was standing! LOL).

The only problem with my 700 is that is has no recoil pad left so it beats the living SNOT out of me when I shoot it, I mean it kicks like a mule. There's alot to be said for having an 1 inch of rubber padding back there!

I remember my M14 didnt have a recoil pad either, just plain ole piece of plastic screwed into the wood stock. It was respectable, but it really didnt kick that bad. I remember laughing at the Marine Cpl that put his on full auto to demonstrate.... He walked the friggin dog with that thing. You'd think he was shooting at UFO's by the time the 5th round was clearing the chamber and the look on his face was priceless. Apparently he had never let one of those babies go on full auto before. Dont know why but they seemed to be worse than the M60 (which he HAD shot before).

After that little escapade Tony (the Sgt) took all the selector knobs off the rifles so nobody could turn them to full auto!

This was when I was in Keflavik Iceland. I was a member of the Ground Defense forces. I became great friends with the Marines (because of my past) and I actually knew the M14 better than they did (they had M16's) but issued all the Navy guys 14's. When I get to this point in my blogs Ill get into more detail... we had ALOT of fun - Except during winter training.

[avarahac]

I have a couple questions regarding firearms. I'm 18 (19 in October), so I believe I'm able to purchase and own a firearm in every state (correct me if I'm wrong please), and I know I need to be 21 to apply for my Concealed Carry permit.

Now, I have questions regarded handguns and rifles. I've handled plenty of guns in recreational shooting in the past, such as .357 .38 .40 .45 30-06 .308 12-ga, etc. However, I haven't done much in the recent years.

I was wondering on handguns first, which would you recommend to someone getting back into shooting - a .45 or something a bit smaller... I was thinking maybe a 9mm? Also, a good brand/model suggestion... I was looking at the Glock 21 .45 Auto, not sure if it's any good though.

Rifles. I've had a fondness for sniping for a long time, so I was wondering what model/make of rifle/scope/suppressor/etc you would recommend looking into as a civilian, and what caliber/action.

Thanks for any help. =)

Saikou

As far as the handguns go, I carry either of these:

Taurus PT1911 very good firearm for the money (roughly $599 depending on where you buy it), very accurate and has a very slim profile. Good for carrying concealed. Safety features include a grip safety and a slide safety. This is a single action firearm so if you plan on using this to carry you're going to be carrying it "****ed and locked" meaning that a round is in the chamber and the slide safety is engaged. But one of the downsides to this weapon much like any other 1911 is it only has a 8 round magazine standard and it is somewhat tedious to fieldstrip and you need to keep the pistol very well lubricated.

Springfield Armory XD 9mm similar to the Glock in that it's a polymer framed pistol. It has a trigger safety similar to the Glock, however unlike the Glock it has a grip safety along the lines of the venerable 1911. Again very good gun, if you're looking for a low maintenance, reliable gun that is priced pretty well, roughly $499-$550 depending on what caliber you decide on. They come in 9mm, .40 S&W, .357 Sig and .45 ACP.

Lastly, I carry the Sig Sauer P226, which is a 9mm. This is the most expensive of the bunch, but it is very, very reliable and very accurate. Safety features include a de****ing lever which safely drops the hammer. Depending on your budget, I'd suggest getting a Sig. This much like the XD, has a very easy takedown.

Another suggestion that I would make would be if you're truly looking for a concealed carry firearm. You may want to check out some small framed revolvers as well (i.e. snubnosed).

Much like the folks before have said if you can, go to a gun range and rent out what you'd like and find the frame and caliber that you can consistently control. Especially if you're planning on carrying concealed, you want to make sure that you can handle the weapon in an emergency situation.

If this didn't put you to sleep, I hope it helped.

Have a good one and good luck with your search!

[avarahac]

I have also shot thousands of rounds through the M9 and the Sig P226. Both amazing guns. Just a side note on that P226. My friends had a problem with mis-fires and so does my brothers. So those two guns have not been reliable at all...which is odd of course because they are Sigs...

I agree the M9 is an awesome firearm. Hmm, I haven't had any trouble with my Sig as of yet (knock on wood!) I currently have the Navy model, it's been pretty darn good thus far.

[oldswabbie]

I WISH I still had my 1911a1, God I loved that pistol. Wasnt accurate very far out, but had a heck of a knock down :)

[MrParker]

I agree the M9 is an awesome firearm. Hmm, I haven't had any trouble with my Sig as of yet (knock on wood!) I currently have the Navy model, it's been pretty darn good thus far.

Yeah, the firing pin was not hitting the primer. My buddy had to replace the firing pin spring, I think that's what he did. My brothers is always mis-firing from the DA mostly, SA usually works just fine but that first shot in the DA can be pretty important if you know what I mean.

[MrParker]

I WISH I still had my 1911a1, God I loved that pistol. Wasnt accurate very far out, but had a heck of a knock down :)

Maybe it's just me or maybe it's my Kimber Pro Carry but...

I have taken out the laser ranger finder and a big coffee can. 150 yards, I can make consistent hits with that 1911. I hit the grape fruit at 110 yards with the Sig. No lies, just lobbing them in haha!

[saikou]

Wow, I leave for a day and get some great responses! Thanks all, and Avarahac, you couldn't put me to sleep with that. =P

I've gotta go into town to get a suitcase this week, so I'm going to stop by the Army/Navy store there. They have a small home-made range behind the building so I think I'll be able to test a few out.

Regarding the AR15, I guess I never really thought about using an assault rifle for long distance marksmanship, lol. I'm not really sure what you meant with lower/upper.. but I'm guessing it has something to do with the features that were banned (telescopic stock, etc). Just taking a quick look around, Bushmaster has a "Carbon 15 M4 Flat Top" model under Recreation for $1200.. it comes with a telelscopic stock and 30rd mags. There's also a "Post-Ban" model that has a fixed stock and 10rd mags. I'll keep checking around those.

Thanks again guys. :)

[MrParker]

Without getting too specific, the lower receiver will dictate what you are allowed to have on your rifle. When the first ban happened you could only have certain features depending on your lower receiver. If you had a pre-ban receiver you could still have shorter barrels, telescoping stocks, flash suppressors and bayonet lug.

After the ban, if you had a post ban you could not add those. So if you get a lower receiver now, before any ban were to happen you would be able to do anything you want with it.

The lower receiver is the guts of the gun, the firing mechanism is all in the lower. The stock is also attached to this part.

The upper is the ejection port (where the brass is extracted), rear sight, barrel, and bolt/bolt carrier are.

The SR-25 is based on the AR15 action, it is supped up because it is chambered in .308.

http://www.ar15.com/lite/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=230097&page=36

Take a look at those 50 pages of M4's and you will see all that you can do with it. And look around 'shotgun news' to find better prices on guns of any kind. I got my DPMS M4 Quad rail with a 16" barrel for $900 but you can get lowers for a few hundred. When I get the money I am gonna get that 20" heavy barrel with a quad rail flat top upper and then save for a scope.

[saikou]

Without getting too specific, the lower receiver will dictate what you are allowed to have on your rifle. When the first ban happened you could only have certain features depending on your lower receiver. If you had a pre-ban receiver you could still have shorter barrels, telescoping stocks, flash suppressors and bayonet lug.

After the ban, if you had a post ban you could not add those. So if you get a lower receiver now, before any ban were to happen you would be able to do anything you want with it.

The lower receiver is the guts of the gun, the firing mechanism is all in the lower. The stock is also attached to this part.

The upper is the ejection port (where the brass is extracted), rear sight, barrel, and bolt/bolt carrier are.

The SR-25 is based on the AR15 action, it is supped up because it is chambered in .308.

http://www.ar15.com/lite/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=230097&page=36

Take a look at those 50 pages of M4's and you will see all that you can do with it. And look around 'shotgun news' to find better prices on guns of any kind. I got my DPMS M4 Quad rail with a 16" barrel for $900 but you can get lowers for a few hundred. When I get the money I am gonna get that 20" heavy barrel with a quad rail flat top upper and then save for a scope.

Ahh, okay that makes sense. I seen the lower/upper kits on a couple websites. Most only sell lower kits to dealers though, so I'm guessing I could just order through a local dealer? I noticed the kits aren't too expensive, around $200 for lower and $450+ for uppers.

Also, do you think a 24" barrel is overkill? XD

Edit: One more... would it hurt to use a lower round mag (say 5-10rd) with a rifle that comes stock with 20/30rd? Was just wondering because of the mag length.. thought it might be uncomfortable laying prone with a 20/30rd.

[MrParker]

Ahh, okay that makes sense. I seen the lower/upper kits on a couple websites. Most only sell lower kits to dealers though, so I'm guessing I could just order through a local dealer? I noticed the kits aren't too expensive, around $200 for lower and $450+ for uppers.

Also, do you think a 24" barrel is overkill? XD

Edit: One more... would it hurt to use a lower round mag (say 5-10rd) with a rifle that comes stock with 20/30rd? Was just wondering because of the mag length.. thought it might be uncomfortable laying prone with a 20/30rd.

Yes you can order stuff through local dealers. I don't know how it works in FL but here in AZ what you do is...

FFL (Federal Firearms License) is held by all dealers and gun shops. They usually don't have a problem using there FFL for you to have a gun shipped to you through them. They usually charge around 20 bucks or so. They have to fax each other there FFL's then you buy the gun, they ship it to the dealer, you pay the fee, you get your gun. Just look around. I bought my P94 for $270 through KY Imports, through Shotgun News.

http://www.dpmsinc.com/

This is where I got my M4, they have lowers and uppers and all kinds of stuff.

24" barrel, sure, you can do what ever you want to do!

[saikou]

I looked over AR15.com, there's some really nice setups there... I also took the time to read over their guides of how to assemble your own. It doesn't seem like it'd be too hard but then again, the most experience I have with breaking down guns is tearing apart my paintball guns and customizing them. Some similarities, but not many.

Thanks for the link though, I've got it bookmarked when I get the money. :)

[oldswabbie]

I looked over AR15.com, there's some really nice setups there... I also took the time to read over their guides of how to assemble your own. It doesn't seem like it'd be too hard but then again, the most experience I have with breaking down guns is tearing apart my paintball guns and customizing them. Some similarities, but not many.

Thanks for the link though, I've got it bookmarked when I get the money. :)

Word of caution on magazines. There are ALOT of cheapies out there, buy good ones. The cheap ones have crap springs and will jam like crazy... besides popping open at the worst possible times.

My 2Cents and Ill Stow my Gear
:)

[saikou]

Yeah I was thinking about that... I'll probably end up buying a few straight from one of the AR-15 dealers. Like DPMS or something, I see they have quite a few to choose from.

Seems like the 5rd mags are the most expensive, lol.

For recreational shooting, I wouldn't be too concerned with the muzzle flash (no enemies to shoot back and all...) but what about the sound? Are AR-15's loud... loud enough to warrant the price of a suppressor?

[MrParker]

Word of caution on magazines. There are ALOT of cheapies out there, buy good ones. The cheap ones have crap springs and will jam like crazy... besides popping open at the worst possible times.

My 2Cents and Ill Stow my Gear
:)

That is true, I had bought 4 after market mags for my Kimber 45. They were labeled as kimber mags but they all jammed. The feed ramp had a dot on each and the last round would jam every time. I had to replace all the feed ramps with smooth rounded ramps. Never had a problem since.

[MrParker]

I looked over AR15.com, there's some really nice setups there... I also took the time to read over their guides of how to assemble your own. It doesn't seem like it'd be too hard but then again, the most experience I have with breaking down guns is tearing apart my paintball guns and customizing them. Some similarities, but not many.

Thanks for the link though, I've got it bookmarked when I get the money. :)

You need the right tools, and a torque wrench. Some of the parts, like the barrel needs a specific torque.

[MrParker]

Yeah I was thinking about that... I'll probably end up buying a few straight from one of the AR-15 dealers. Like DPMS or something, I see they have quite a few to choose from.

Seems like the 5rd mags are the most expensive, lol.

For recreational shooting, I wouldn't be too concerned with the muzzle flash (no enemies to shoot back and all...) but what about the sound? Are AR-15's loud... loud enough to warrant the price of a suppressor?

Sorry, I missed this one. When you say suppressor, do you mean as in a sound surpressor (silencer)? Well that is a class 3 thing. Back round check, a lot of paper work with the sherrifs department, tax stamp. A lot of BS for a surpressor, you really don't need that. Wear ear plugs and yes they are loud. They have a supersonic crack to them.

Now a flash surpressor that is another story, for an assult rifle they reduce muzzle rise and flash. They really help. For some sniper rifles they also help. Look at the M92 Barrett!

5rd mags, get a good one. That is mostly for marksmanship stuff but for hunting you can only have 5rds in your gun.

[saikou]

Yeah, I looked into the process of getting a supressor before. There's plenty of Class III dealers around Florida, then the $200 fee plus a ATF Form 1 or 4, getting the Sheriff or other LE to sign off on it, and then waiting 1-6 months for it to be approved. Not to mention the ATF ocassionally checks up on you. =) Still, if I'm going to be using it outside of a shooting range I'd like to have a suppressor so I don't bother anyone.

Edit: The supersonic crack noises don't bother me -- I actually like hearing that for some reason. I'm just worried about them being generally loud and causing problems.

[MrParker]

Edit: The supersonic crack noises don't bother me -- I actually like hearing that for some reason. I'm just worried about them being generally loud and causing problems.

Oh, well then, do what you got to do. But they are all loud ;)

[saikou]

I suppose that will be something I look into after getting everything else, thanks for the help. :)

[oldswabbie]

I suppose that will be something I look into after getting everything else, thanks for the help. :)

Yea, big difference between a flash supressor and silencer. The flash supressor doesnt require a license or anything. Actually it serves two purposes. First it supresses the flash by distributing the gasses so the flash is reduced. Next, there is a larger cut in the top of the supressor so that a larger amount of gasses come out of the top of the supressor so it reduces muzzle jump. I had one on my last Mini14, but dont on this one.

The Military M14 has a very long flash supressor ...which has a THIRD purpose.

You can fit a RPG (Rifle Propelled Grenade) on it (dont know if they even still use them). You could position the gas selector sideways so all the gasses would expell the grenade. Otherwise it would work like normal and exject the shell and blow your butt up. There were special "Blank" shells to use for this purpose, but I heard some Marines say you could use regular rounds - but I sure as heck wouldn't even think about it. Personally? I think they were pulling my leg. Anyone in his right mind wouldnt put a live round (308) behind a grenade lobbing off the end of that barrel.

Silencers are in a another arena of legal wrangling that I dont think you want to get into. Getting a license to have a fully automatic weapon is bad enough.

:)

[MrParker]

The RPG is used with blanks to shoot line across ships for an Unrep.

[sthompson]

I have been shooting all of my life and there are so many different firearms and calibers that I could Recomend and turn you on to, but for what it seems you are looking for I would recomend the H&K USP .40 Caliber. Sorry If this doesnt help. Good Luck.

[oldswabbie]

The RPG is used with blanks to shoot line across ships for an Unrep.

Yea, works for that too ...but get behind the bulkhead when that baby comes across! :)

[saikou]

Actually, from what I see the AR-15 for civilians doesn't have a full-auto mode. For good reason... crazy people out there. :P

[MrParker]

Not the standard models no. Just like the sound surpressors, you can get a select fire M4 but they are SUPER expensive. The process is the same.

[imddrummer]

Taurus is the only gun maker that I know of that will fix your gun for free for life. If you send a S&W back to be fixed they send you a bill. My friend just paid $80 to have his fixed. For handguns, my preference is the .45. I'm not a 9mm fan. I usually just shoot .22 though because its so cheap. For rifles, I like the 30-06 and the .308. My 30-06 has a metal butt plate though, so it kills your shoulder after 30 rounds or so.

For concealed carry, high capacity mags = heavier. It might not be a big difference, but if you can't kill a guy with 8 rounds, then you need to go to the range and practice.

In VA you have to be 21 to buy a handgun, but you can have one in your car if you are 18. I didn't know the Florida law was 18. Hope you find the right gun!

[saikou]

As far as I know it's still 18. I'll check to make sure, but everything I've seen says you can't purchase a handgun if you're not 18 or older. The only law that requires you to be 21 is to apply for a CCW.

[ddssdv]

As far as I know it's still 18. I'll check to make sure, but everything I've seen says you can't purchase a handgun if you're not 18 or older. The only law that requires you to be 21 is to apply for a CCW.

Handgun 21. Close thread now pleasee.

[saikou]

If you can show me in the state laws where it says 21, I'll be happy to agree with you. Whether or not that's the case, there's no reason to close the thread. As I'm sure you've noticed, we're discussing more than handguns. =)

[swcc-wife]

Handgun 21. Close thread now pleasee.

No, not in every state.

This has been edited by moderator as I choose not to have personal comments included in posts. I will do this 100% of the time that I notice this and this is in no way directed at one person it's for everyone.

Please do research before you insist that someone is wrong.

Check out this link. You'll find answers here.

http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws/

[oldswabbie]

Good info! Thanks Swcc-wife! Some states have REALLY strict laws, others very lenient ones.

:)

[ddssdv]

No, not in every state.

edited by moderator please do research before you insist that someone is wrong.

Check out this link. You'll find answers here.

http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws/

I would reserve your comments about me to yourself. I in no way talked to you in that manner.

[swcc-wife]

I would reserve your comments about me to yourself. I in no way talked to you in that manner.

I made an observation about your repeated insistence that answering saikou was a "waste of time" since he was only 18, when, in fact, you were wrong. I was not commenting on you as a person.

I apologize if I offended you, however, my point and my information still holds true.

[ddssdv]

I made an observation about your repeated insistence that answering saikou was a "waste of time" since he was only 18, when, in fact, you were wrong. I was not commenting on you as a person.

I apologize if I offended you, however, my point and my information still holds true.

Sure it does the info is good. Can't offend me. This site is for prep for military life. Mr. Saikou can look online and find this info himself. Instead he comes here has you do it for him. How does this prepare the kid for his future. As for brashness, I am retired USN so I guess thats my curse. I am STILL learning how ton not use the work **** so much. Your husband I assume is SWCC. You are not but you must see the parallels everyday to what I am refering to....don't you?

[Ambassador]

Alright folks -- Let's try to keep the personal comments off the boards. If you have something to say on a personal level to one another, please use the PM feature. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with another, provided you do it in a respectful manner.

Ambassador

Edit to clarify: My post this morning was directed to a few of the posters in this thread, not just one.

[swcc-wife]

Sure it does the info is good. Can't offend me. This site is for prep for military life. Mr. Saikou can look online and find this info himself. Instead he comes here has you do it for him. How does this prepare the kid for his future. As for brashness, I am retired USN so I guess thats my curse. I am STILL learning how ton not use the work **** so much. Your husband I assume is SWCC. You are not but you must see the parallels everyday to what I am refering to....don't you?

Actually, I posted that link for YOUR sake, not his. His information was correct and his questions were legitimate. I wanted YOU to see that :)

And, yes, I do see the parallels. However, this is a forum where people come to get answers. Half of the questions asked on this site can be answered with a little bit of research, but that doesn't stop those who come here in their quest for knowledge.
I don't really think of this site as military preparation. The Navy's mantras will be beaten into these guys' heads soon enough. I think of this site as more of a step on a ladder that was made to ease anxiety, null hesitation, and get these hopefuls to stop ****ing around and GO NAVY! :)

[swcc-wife]

Alright folks -- Let's try to keep the personal comments off the boards. If you have something to say on a personal level to one another, please use the PM feature. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with another, provided you do it in a respectful manner.

Ambassador

Agreed, and duly noted. I apologize, Ambassador.

[Ambassador]

Agreed, and duly noted. I apologize, Ambassador.

Thank You. Apology accepted and appreciated. No worries.

[rsctt83]

just thought I would chime in on this theme as well. I took the liberty of edited some of your previous posts in an attempt to defuel the situation and as a start to inforcing policy of not permitting personal comments on forums. It's tough to catch all violations but at least I am on it and will do my very best to see that it decreases ........

[swcc-wife]

rsctt, you missed one-

oldswabbie quoted my previous message (that was in violation), and you probably overlooked it.

[oldswabbie]

:)
GO NAVY! :)

HOO-YAHH! Love it everytime I hear... GO NAVY! :)

PS...she's right, I edited the earlier and cleaned it up.

[partemisio]

I have a S&W M&P 9. It holds 17 in the magazine and came with two magazines. This thing was very accurate right out of the box. The rear sight is adjustable. One thing some people won't like is that it doesn't have a thumb safety on it. It does have a trigger safety though. It also has an internal hammer, which is the only thing I don't like about it. It was $590 brand new with the two magzines and a case.

[partemisio]

I was just browsing around and found this thread. I figured I would post a link to a site with the concealed carry information. http://www.usacarry.com/index.php/state-resources-mainmenu-42/permit-info-by-state.html