What if?

[thepho]

hypothermia can happen to anyone, but what if you are so determined that the cold never phase you, but you fall under hypothermia a number of times? do you stay or go?

[king henry viii]

Why don't you make it to BUD/S and find out?

[leahy_j]

this is a good question. i'm posting with a bit of info, but also so i auto-subscribe to it. i know their is a limit to medical roll backs, but in one of the BUD/S books i read there was a candidate who became hypothermic (i think his core temp was 93 degree) and they took him to medical, put him in what was essentially a jacuzzi until his core temp was back up. then they sent him right back to the beach to rejoin in the evolution. i think the book was "the warrior elite".....does anyone remember anything else about what it said? surely someone can't be help responsible for their metabolism can they?

[thepho]

Why don't you make it to BUD/S and find out?

right now, SEALs is the only good plan i got going for me, and wouldnt hurt to be better prepared. the worst thing that can happen is if my mind wants to push further but my body's just not strong enough

[rsctt83]

the pro

"hypothermia can happen to anyone, but what if you are so determined that the cold never phase you, but you fall under hypothermia a number of times? do you stay or go?"

By virtue of what you stated above you have no idea about hypothermia and the body reaction to extreme cold, that's OK. There is a HUGE difference bewteen being uncomfortably cold and being hypothermic. You will not get to the point of becoming hypothermic. The cold WILL phase you, but we are only talking about uncomfortably cold not dangerously cold. Extreme cold is debilitating {you cannot do much of anything} when you become hypothermic it's pretty much game over. What you are speaking about is being very cold, this will be extremely uncomfortably but the mentally tough guys with burning desire will be able to function and get through it. Weaker people will fold their tents and opt for warm and comfortable.

You cannot train to over come extreme cold, trust me on this and only an idiot would even think of trying. By way of example, think of how many world class climbers have perished up high as a result of hypothermia, one that comes to mind is Rob Hall {Into Thin Air}. He was alert but just could not move due to extreme hypothermia.

Anyway, by way of suggestion before you ask a question do a bit of background research on internet so you understand the topic sufficiently to pose a solid question. There is a ton of information here on forums about cold

[scskowron]

For dangerous evolutions at BUD/S, they usually have a Corpsman on hand to monitor for signs of hypothermia; they make sure guys aren't hurt.

[torpspot]

leathy j yes, you are correct.

[thepho]

the pro

"hypothermia can happen to anyone, but what if you are so determined that the cold never phase you, but you fall under hypothermia a number of times? do you stay or go?"

By virtue of what you stated above you have no idea about hypothermia and the body reaction to extreme cold, that's OK. There is a HUGE difference bewteen being uncomfortably cold and being hypothermic. You will not get to the point of becoming hypothermic. The cold WILL phase you, but we are only talking about uncomfortably cold not dangerously cold. Extreme cold is debilitating {you cannot do much of anything} when you become hypothermic it's pretty much game over. What you are speaking about is being very cold, this will be extremely uncomfortably but the mentally tough guys with burning desire will be able to function and get through it. Weaker people will fold their tents and opt for warm and comfortable.

You cannot train to over come extreme cold, trust me on this and only an idiot would even think of trying. By way of example, think of how many world class climbers have perished up high as a result of hypothermia, one that comes to mind is Rob Hall {Into Thin Air}. He was alert but just could not move due to extreme hypothermia.

Anyway, by way of suggestion before you ask a question do a bit of background research on internet so you understand the topic sufficiently to pose a solid question. There is a ton of information here on forums about cold

oh okay, thanks. as a swimmer i experience cold pools alot, so its nothing new. i was just worried if it was like another level of cold, as you just explained its not "too" cold

[overcome.101]

thepho, there is a big difference in cold pool water at 70 degrees and 50 degree frigid ocean water. In 50 degree water most people are generally safe up to close to 1.5-2 hours in the water, but will experience slower reflexes and motor skills, harder breathing, complete exhaustion, and confusion, but thats normal, not signs of hypothermia. The problem is that when your swimming in water that cold you lose heat at a much faster rate than remaining still in the water because blood is pumped to the extremities and quickly cooled. The corpsman there WILL know when its time to yank you out, the actual signs of hypothermia are well known to them.

[shocktech]

this is a good question. i'm posting with a bit of info, but also so i auto-subscribe to it. i know their is a limit to medical roll backs, but in one of the BUD/S books i read there was a candidate who became hypothermic (i think his core temp was 93 degree) and they took him to medical, put him in what was essentially a jacuzzi until his core temp was back up. then they sent him right back to the beach to rejoin in the evolution. i think the book was "the warrior elite".....does anyone remember anything else about what it said? surely someone can't be help responsible for their metabolism can they?

Yes it was from The Warrior Elite. I'm looking at the page right now. Basically the trainee gets out of the water and he doesnt seem right so they take his temp.. it reads 89.5 degrees.. He is declared a "cold puppy" and is sent to medical as he sucks on a tube of glucose.. they put him into a hot tub that is at 98 degrees. An IV of warm saline is put into his arm and his blood sugar is checked. It was low so the doc put dextrose through the IV. After a few minutes he is at 98.6, the doctor asks him if he is ready to go back.. he says yes, jumps out of the tub, gets a ride back to his classmates, and is immediately told to get wet and sandy by his instructors :)

Btw that is on page 125 of The Warrior Elite

[thepho]

thepho, there is a big difference in cold pool water at 70 degrees and 50 degree frigid ocean water. In 50 degree water most people are generally safe up to close to 1.5-2 hours in the water, but will experience slower reflexes and motor skills, harder breathing, complete exhaustion, and confusion, but thats normal, not signs of hypothermia. The problem is that when your swimming in water that cold you lose heat at a much faster rate than remaining still in the water because blood is pumped to the extremities and quickly cooled. The corpsman there WILL know when its time to yank you out, the actual signs of hypothermia are well known to them.

my pool isnt always 70 degrees. it jumps from 50s to 90s, because we have a bad heating company. ive also been to beaches that seem to have water this cold, "frigid" "freezing" etc. either way, i just said this to show how i experience cold environments more frequently than others.

[ddssdv]

Mr. Pho, I think if you read more here and post less you will find your questions answered most rikitik. After if there is a questionable answer you seek, post here. In the mean time a little bit about yourself would be G2G.

[ddssdv]

http://navyseals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157669

[jabadiah]

Every time I'm reminded of The Warrior Elite I'm always recalling that one certain part:

DOWN BOAT!

A$$ HOLE!

DOWN BOAT!

A$$ HOLE!

It was funny as hell to read that part.
As for hyperthemia or pneumonia, from all I've read alot of the guys at BUD/S go well and beyond the line of stupid and still make it. I don't remember where this is from but this one guy had serious problems with his back to the point where he had to consider quiting of perhaps breaking his back, yet he kept at it and made it.

[9007112]

One guy did what you said twice in a book I read, they dropped him.

[chris1744]

king henry,
why don't you go to BUD/S and find out!

[iamfubar44861]

Every time I'm reminded of The Warrior Elite I'm always recalling that one certain part:

DOWN BOAT!

A$$ HOLE!

DOWN BOAT!

A$$ HOLE!

It was funny as hell to read that part.
As for hyperthemia or pneumonia, from all I've read alot of the guys at BUD/S go well and beyond the line of stupid and still make it. I don't remember where this is from but this one guy had serious problems with his back to the point where he had to consider quiting of perhaps breaking his back, yet he kept at it and made it.


Actually, I think the term was "dump boat", and it was said by Instructor Patstone, who is also on the Discovery Channel documentary. I also love that part, very funny.

[king henry viii]

king henry,
why don't you go to BUD/S and find out!

Chris, I would love to.

[overcome.101]

Haha, Patstone is hilarious...Hes like a Burt Reynolds frogman. "Hurry up, dont fall back, hurry up, dont fall back."

[crusader]

Another account of hypothermia and passing out would be Marcus Luttrell's BUDS stories in Lone Survivor. At one point, he actually passed out IN the water. They pulled him out, took him to medical, resuscitated him, and sent him right back into the water. Good times!

[overcome.101]

Another account of hypothermia and passing out would be Marcus Luttrell's BUDS stories in Lone Survivor. At one point, he actually passed out IN the water. They pulled him out, took him to medical, resuscitated him, and sent him right back into the water. Good times!

Dang i didn't realize he was in the water i thought his boat team was running around with their IBS and he conc'd.