Why people DOR?

[Blenk11]

I have been on this forum and the BUD/S forum for the better part of 5 years. I have read sooo much about guys hitting certain fitness numbers and what not. Us wanna-be's get so wrapped up in the numbers of the physical fitness, is that what we really need to be thinking about? I realize SWCC is the most physically tough school most of us (probably all) will ever go through. I can't help but think though...the reason Seaman Sailor DOR-ed because he could only do 65 pushups in 2 minutes before reporting sounds wrong. I know I, among others, think that way sometimes. What really is the reason people quit? Is it because the academics are so tough or the cold? It seems like it really comes down to how bad you really want it, how far will you push yourself not as much as how good shape your in. This is just a question because I catch myself working so hard just to hit a certain number during training that I think I am sometimes missing the overall goal of just being in overall excellent physical and mental condition.

STS2

[joshdupre]

I'm curious to see these answers also. Especially after reading about the BUDs prep class in great lakes and what the requirements are to leave there.
I would also like to see some updates from some of the guys in San Dog.

MR2

[matty86]

Whats the % of men that DOR?

[joshdupre]

I was told yesterday that it was 60%.

[overcome.101]

Im sure you've all heard "your physical preparation gets you to the starting line, its your heart and mind that get you to the finish."
Im shipping out for SWCC this summer and will be in the best shape of my life. Right now im at 9min swim/run 100+ pushups n situps, 22 pullups and i will only get better. But this will only make things marginally easier for me. Being in good shape will keep you from negative thoughts about quitting because you KNOW you have more in you. In other words if your suffering physically, your more likely to mentally "loose it." Id imagine those who quit realize its just not for them, and they let "the suck" get to them. I picked this job "over" seals hoping it would be as challenging if not more, i guess i will see. I hope to be put through Hell and back, but i wouldn't have it any other way. Id rather "evolve" in and through hardcore training than have to "adapt" or improvise on the battlefield for something i didn't learn in training. That said, i would like to hear from those who DOR and why???

[rsctt83]

I would not want to hear from people who have failed, each person will have different explainations for the same reason which is {absent injuries} they did not want it bad enough. Our bodies are capable of amazing things far beyond what most people can even comprehend, BUT to get to that level you have to push yourself to extremes and they only thing that will provide the motivational fuel for that to happen is an intense burning desire to NOT to fail.

Take a look at the threads answer from BUD/S Instructors and Ten Commandments of Endurance there is some good stuff there.

[overcome.101]

rsctt, you are exactly right, obviously those who didnt make it didnt want it bad enough. I was hoping, however, to hear from those who suffered injuries in an effort to ensure i prepare appropriately to decrease my chances of injuries. Im mostly worried about stress fractures (shin splints) cause im just getting over them and hope to God they dont come back on the boots n sand runs. Obviously you wont get dropped for headaches or blisters but broken bones and serious medical issues you would. But theres still a lot of grey area in between im sure some have been victims of...

[Blenk11]

rsctt83,

Where exactly is that thread? I looked around for it but can't seem to find it. Thanks.

STS2/SS

[scskowron]

rsctt83,

Where exactly is that thread? I looked around for it but can't seem to find it. Thanks.

STS2/SS

http://www.navyseals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156961
and
http://www.navyseals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156999


Relating to this thread...I just finished watching the BUD/S 234 class documentary (I cannot state how informative and amazing it is for a BUD/S hopeful). Watching the guys that quit there should give you an indication of what their reasons were.

Okay I just realized this is a SWCC thread, but I'm sure a lot of the same reasons will carry over.

[swcc-wife]

rsctt, you are exactly right, obviously those who didnt make it didnt want it bad enough. I was hoping, however, to hear from those who suffered injuries in an effort to ensure i prepare appropriately to decrease my chances of injuries.

You mentioned in an earlier post that you wanted to hear from someone who had DOR'd and why. There is a difference between DORing, failing, and being dropped for an injury.

Those that DOR (Drop on Request) are the one's who realize the program is not right for them. And I don't hold anything against them for that. They didn't "fail". They just chose not to continue.

Those that fail, for a many number of reasons- be they mental or physical- are given one more shot and rolled back into the next class. If they fail the second time around they are dropped from the program and reclassified.

Now being injured is a different story. Depending on the type of injury and it's severity, you may not be dropped from the program. Instead, you are just dropped from the class that you are in, allowed time to heal, and are put into the next appropriate class. I do want to emphasize that it depends on the injury. I'm not saying that everyone who gets injured gets a second chance. If it's something that can be a recurring problem and affect your performance and/or your ability to do your job, you're out of the program- no matter how small the problem may seem.

Just wanted to clear that up for any of you who were wondering :)

[ddssdv]

I would me more interested in knowing the statistics of who makes ESPECIALLY from this board. That feedback says mountians of info.

[Johan422]

Simple...Not prepared either physically or mentally...sometimes both.

Sure individual excuses may vary but the the root is still the same.

[Kinnikinik]

Something that hasn't been mentioned yet is maturity. The instructors are looking for people they want to work with since most of them rotate back into normal duty after their tours as instructors. We had one guy disenrolled two weeks before class was done not because he couldn't perform, or wasn't motivated, but because he wasn't mature enough to go into SWCC.

For those of you coming into SWCC, you need to begin thinking of making the transition from boyhood to manhood. Most adults never make the full transition. In SWCC you have no choice but to make this transition.

K

[jogara]

My class started with 55 and ended with 19.

As far as people DORing... I'm sure you've heard the phrase 90%Mental and 10% Physical. People don't say for no reason. I saw guys barely pass the screen test graduate while almost every guy who was posting big #'s DOR in the first 3 weeks. The way I honestly see it is the guys who are in good shape when they get there think that if they work out all the time they wont have to deal with as much pain. The guys who are in piss poor shape know exactly what is coming, and they have already accepted it.

The first guy to DOR in our class was also the guy who scored the best on the screen.

[the_sandman]

I feel the biggest reason that people quit is they give up mentally. Once you give up mentally you no longer have a desire to push yourself physically. As a former member of SBU 22, I can tell you everything they do in the training is for a reason. You may not understand it at the time, just push past the pain and never, never allow your mind to think the word quit or I can't. You do this and you will be amazed at what you will be able to accomplish not only physically, but mentally.

[overcome.101]

Last few posts have great info! Thanks a lot guys! Jogara, you say that people in piss poor shape made it through, how did they make the timed evolutions for running and swimming, or do they not have those for SWCC? I was under the impression there was a hell of a lot of swimming and stronger swimmers have a good advantage there. Is running, swimming, and PT as rigorous and demanding as it is in bud/s? I sure hope so.

[jogara]

Last few posts have great info! Thanks a lot guys! Jogara, you say that people in piss poor shape made it through, how did they make the timed evolutions for running and swimming, or do they not have those for SWCC? I was under the impression there was a hell of a lot of swimming and stronger swimmers have a good advantage there. Is running, swimming, and PT as rigorous and demanding as it is in bud/s? I sure hope so.

Well piss poor shape is a matter of interpretation i guess. My take on it is this... If you are in good enough shape to pass the screen when you show up then you have the ability to pass the program. You don't have timed evolutions on your first day. You'll be getting stronger all the time is what I'm getting at.

I see a lot of guys crank out #'s and think they are hot ****, but when their nose it put to the grind stone they fail the test. Most of what I'm getting at is what I skimmed over in the OP -- where he was thinking DOR's were related to poor #'s.

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On a side note there is something like 20k people on this forum at any given time... if you want no bull**** answers on SWCC I'd suggest PM'ing the guys who have BTDT.