Questions about SEAL Challenge Contract [Archive]

kyle131

02-22-2008, 06:34 AM

Hi, im 17 years old and a Junior in High School. I talked to a recruiter yesterday about becoming a SEAL and asked him about the SEAL Challenge Contract and he said there is no such thing. He said I would have to go DEP with a chosen job in my contract and then ask to take the PST during the year the im in DEP. is this true? I dont wanna sign up for the DEP and get the wrong contract so Im just trying to make sure. thank you in advance for your help.

king henry viii

02-22-2008, 07:09 AM

You don't really need to put this in the 'Ask a SEAL' forum, because any guy in DEP can answe this. Your recruiter is correct. You have to go to MEPS first and pick a job. Once you're in DEP, you hook up with a SEAL mentor, he'll give you the PST, then you'll get your SEAL contract if you pass.

doc mac

02-24-2008, 08:31 AM

Make sure you pick a job you like. And something you might be able to use in life outside the Navy. There aren't many jobs for Boatswains Mate outside the Navy. Pick what YOU want. Not what the Recruiter wants.

eyte115818

02-24-2008, 11:50 AM

Really? I went to MEPS and was given a SEAL contract right on the spot. What I was told though is that it's recommended that you get a regular job and THEN try out for the SEAL contract. So if you somehow failed the PST and didn't make it then you have a job that you like instead of them giving you a job they think you should have.

So basically, pick a job and then try out. Or, if you think you can pass the PST no prob. then by all means, get that CONTRACT. Also, whenever you recieved your SEAL contract that you make d*** sure you get it in paper that you will recieve a $40,000 bonus prior to completion of BUD/s.

eyte.

king henry viii

02-24-2008, 12:00 PM

thatguy2695

02-24-2008, 06:34 PM

get the bonus Prior to completion of BUD/s? a bonus would be great and all but 'm doing this for my country not money if the military wants to give me an extra 40k thats awesome but I'm not going to go hunting after it or try and get it BEFORE I even earned it.

not personal attack eyte115818 but I can't stand people that talk about the Damn bonuses.

chris1744

02-24-2008, 07:08 PM

in regards to the $40k bonus, you can't get the full 40k until after completion of BUD/S. you can earn small increments (like up to $4,000, i think) prior to graduation for elevated PST scores and i think for getting through hellweek.

make sure the bonus is written in your contract. i wouldn't want to be "that guy" who missed out on $40,000.

bud/s sucks

02-24-2008, 07:39 PM

Hate to break it to you bunch of hopefulls but there is no $40k after BUD/S. Even if it says it in your contract, you will not get it. You will get your hell week bonus, if they're still giving it, and your college after graduation, but the remainder of the $40k is reserved for SQT grad.

For the few who say that's incorrect, or that if it's in your contract you can get it, well, good luck. If you make it that far you can take on DFAS by yourself.

thatguy2695

02-24-2008, 09:19 PM

I like the pun chris1744 :)

but I'm just saying that if your after the 40k enlistment bonus then you won't make it through Hell Week. If the Navy gives me 40K awesome but I'd much rather be "that guy" that fought for his country,[pause] for his country and not for a bonus. I'm not dumb I'll ask if its in the contract but if you haven't seen our countries Economy it isn't exactly what it used to be. So making sure that I get the most money I can from my country isn't exactly priority.

"ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country"(JFK)

40 Grand isn't that significant to me its money when you die you can't take it with you.

eyte115818

02-24-2008, 10:45 PM

No offense taken thatguy, just thought you wouldn't want to be screwed over something that should of or could of been yours. HOOYAH brother that you believe in fighting for our country as do I. Its people like you that make this country great. And as for King Henry, I depped in August 15th. Thats probably why.

Oh and thatguy, trust me, I'd be more happy being E-1 and a SEAL (if you could be a E-1 SEAL, just saying) then being a O-7 Mechanic or whatever.

samanoi

02-25-2008, 11:03 AM

After succesful completion of BUD/S you automaticaly get bumped up to E-3 or E-4, its one or the other. As for SEAL Challenge you are required to pass the PST within the first 60 days of your Delayed Entry date, and then retake the PST within 10 days before you ship to Boot Camp. Keep in mind you only get one shot at BUD/S as an officer and further more if you earn your trident as an officer you will see no more than 2-3 deployments before the Navy decides you're too valueble to lose and pulls you out of any action. Remember if you're eyes are messed up then you're looking anywhere from 6 months to 3 years of waiting for PRK before you get shipped to BUD/S. Besides if the Navy doc screwes up your eyes when performing the surgery you are automatically disqualified from BUD/S and the SEAL Challenge goes down the drain. Point i'm getting across is, the Navy has unlimited ways to screw you over miserably and make sure you never even get 50 miles within CORONADO. Find a former SEAL that gives a damn as to what happeneds to you and have him help you get to BUD/S.

My problem is I can't get any detailed info on SEAL Challenge, today i'ma call the Naval Special Warfare Center and see if i can get anything out. Mean while this is my question, if any of you know the answer to it, by all means your help will be greatly apreciated.
Does the SEAL challenge garantee you a spot in BUD/S even if your eye sight gets worse than 20/200 in the better eye while you wait to get PRK? because mine inevitably will........so anyone?

thatguy2695

02-25-2008, 04:17 PM

up to 3 years waiting for PRK surgery... that would suck cause I'm in the same boat. samanoi have you been to boot? I don't think the Navy is trying to screw people out of BUD/s especially with the pentagon trying to force them to get more guys through thats why the PST dropped from 8 pull ups to 6 and the push ups from 50 to 42. Heard it from a SEAL and read it in an article.

It's especially good news for the SEALs now. The Pentagon wants the force of just over 2,000 SEALs to expand by 500 by the year 2010.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9481756

eyte115818 glad were on the same page :)

mmaakuma

02-25-2008, 04:44 PM

Oh and thatguy, trust me, I'd be more happy being E-1 and a SEAL (if you could be a E-1 SEAL, just saying) then being a O-7 Mechanic or whatever.
You probably could've worded your point better. I know what you're trying to say but the way you said it makes you look ignorant of the duties of officers and enlisted. That's besides the point that an O-7 is an admiral or general.

samanoi

02-26-2008, 06:48 AM

How long have you been at this SEAL wana-be thing? Cus the navy has been at this goal to expand their SEALs by 500 men for over a year and I haven't seen anything change besides the fact that there is no more A school that we'd have to go through. Yeah PRK would take a long time to get. Aviation gets PRK first then its BUD/S trainees. Some Aviation guys have to wait for over a year to get the surgery, its pathetic. I'm trying to get more detailed info on the SEAL Challenge Contract but no detailed info to be found. As for the PST scores, those are the minimum scores, If those are your scores on the PSTs you take then you'll never get within a mile of BUD/S. Competetive scores are the following:
Swim - 8:30-9:00 mins
Push ups - 100-120
Sit ups - 100-120
Pull ups - 20-30
Run - 8:00-9:00 mins.
Also Indoc is no longer 2 weeks it's been upgraded to a month.
So does anyone know if the SEAL Challenge absolutely garantees you a spot in BUD/S as long as you pass the physical and mental requirements regardless whether your eye sight gets worse than 20/200 in the better eye or not?
because thats my problem, in 4 months I'll enlist under SEAL Challenge my eye sight will be fine then but it'll get worse than 20/200 by the time i get PRK or get sent to BUD/S.

Also i heard rumors that the Navy is trying to get a separate more demanding Boot Camp for those under SEAL Challenge to help them stay in better shape.

king henry viii

02-26-2008, 07:23 AM

Sam, some of your info isn't exactly correct. I know a guy who arrived in Coronado in the fall of 07, waited maybe 1 or 2 months, got his PRK done, healed for a few months, now he is with class 270.

and yes, there is a BUD/S Prep course after boot camp to improve your fitness. Do a search and you will find a thread about it.

king henry viii

02-26-2008, 12:08 PM

Let me know what part I'm incorrect at so I may know better. But nearly everything I know has come out the mouths of a handful of SEALs, one of them being a retired SEAL and former instructor from BUD/S, Matt Kelm. I said anywhere from 6 months to 3 years to get PRK, and it is a proven fact over and over again. There are a few rare occasions. Its like me saying "what is the point of lotery if you'll never win" and you telling me "no, you're wrong, this one guy won 50 million dollars" that is a 1 in a trillion.
If you know the guy who made it into BUD/S that quickly, ask him how he did it, was there anything he foudn he could to do to speed up the process?

Aside from that, can any one answer my previous question?
because i need to know now to be able to fully gear up for whether it is DevGru or Delta I'm following.

ask your local SEAL motivator. I would expect him to know.

mmaakuma

02-26-2008, 02:10 PM

because i need to know now to be able to fully gear up for whether it is DevGru or Delta I'm following.
Riiiiiiiiiiight

cravethedave

02-26-2008, 07:28 PM

I didn't say what I said because I got an itch. 4 months from now I'll begin to prove you wrong.

Entering the military with the intention of becoming a DevGru or Delta operator is one of the funniest things i've read on this site. Good luck bro.

dive doc

02-26-2008, 07:51 PM

Samanoi,

welcome to NavySEALs.com. I admire your enthusiasm, but maybe consider toning it down a little and not be so bull-headed.

There are a lot of very knowledgable professionals on here that can give you some very valuable advice and suggestions to achieve your goals and hopefully help you make it through BUD/S and SQT to the Teams.

I would suggest that trying to prepare for and graduate from BUD/S, then SQT, to earn your Trident and become a Navy SEAL, may be a more appropriate priority than worrying about which Tier 1 unit you may be assigned to in the future. All in good time.

Please read the following posting:

http://navyseals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156824

Best of luck to you.

DD

eyte115818

02-26-2008, 10:50 PM

You probably could've worded your point better. I know what you're trying to say but the way you said it makes you look ignorant of the duties of officers and enlisted. That's besides the point that an O-7 is an admiral or general.

Sorry I really didn't know how to put it. I respect everyone in the Navy, just giving my personal opinion.

bryant808

02-27-2008, 04:28 PM

what ive understood from me talking to a recruiter and what i have off of various sites is that you just go to the recruiterand tell him what you want then if your asvab is ood and everything then you pick a rate and if you pass the pst then you get your contract and then after your delayed entry date you would got to rtc grat lakes for boot camp.

dive doc

02-27-2008, 06:11 PM

I'm not being bull-headed. I know my abilities and know where I'm going. If most people can't do what I'm going for then its their problem to deal with, I'm not hear to subject to their fears.

Samanoi,

my apologies. I did not mean to question your abilities about your ascendancy into the Tier 1 unit of your choice. It is not too often we have somebody on these boards, with your abilities, whose passage into the Teams is almost guaranteed so that they can proceed to the Tier 1 units. We will try and not bother you with any of the mundane problems or fears, which other guys try and overcome, to graduate from BUD/S, SQT and earn their Trident.

Best of luck.
DD

itsallorganek

02-27-2008, 06:23 PM

does anyone else on here other then me smell sarcasm??? :p

searles72

02-27-2008, 06:30 PM

Nope, just an "old man" with a little bit of wisdom......:p

itsallorganek

02-27-2008, 06:38 PM

haha I hear ya...

rsctt83

02-27-2008, 07:25 PM

Sam

How about a bit of humility ......... FYI there are a few people out here in the peanut gallery that have done a thing or two, in fact it could be said that their reality is your fantasy. On a personal note I have put enough dirt and rocks underneath my shoes that I feel as though I have earned my free pass to not have to listen to what you think you are going to accomplish. OK, simply said don't talk about it when it is a dream/fantasy, wait until it happens and than tell us all about it.

These forums contain a lot of valuable information on a variety of topics that can be of help to you. We will do our best to help you with any training questions you might have all we ask in return is that you show a little professionalism and humility and most importantly a little respect for the BTDT folks.

mmaakuma

02-28-2008, 12:02 AM

I'm not being bull-headed. I know my abilities and know where I'm going. If most people can't do what I'm going for then its their problem to deal with, I'm not hear to subject to their fears.
You're right, we fear your success. You're the only person in the world who has ever been selected to a tier 1 unit right off the street. Forget the other SEALs, Rangers, and SF guys who had to spend years in their respective units to even be considered. You're just too good. Sorry, I'd try not to get in your way again. A 16 year old already being considered for DEVGRU or Delta is a badass in my book.

Bryant808, you understood correctly.

mmaakuma

02-28-2008, 12:06 AM

Oh yeah, most people can't do what you can do. By claiming that, I'm guessing you run a marathon (26.2 miles) at a 6 minute pace, swim for hours, ruck forever, and do 130+ push-ups and sit-ups and 30+ pull-ups. After all, Delta/DEVGRU is a definite possibility for you so your PT/PST/PFT scores must be world class. I'm sure you also have special skills that can contribute to your team such as language skills.

bud/s sucks

02-28-2008, 07:45 AM

Oh yeah, most people can't do what you can do. By claiming that, I'm guessing you run a marathon (26.2 miles) at a 6 minute pace, swim for hours, ruck forever, and do 130+ push-ups and sit-ups and 30+ pull-ups. After all, Delta/DEVGRU is a definite possibility for you so your PT/PST/PFT scores must be world class.

And I take it you know these are requirements for acceptance to such program...

searles72

02-28-2008, 07:51 AM

And I take it you know these are requirements for acceptance to such program...

Mr. Sucks, this is just sarcasm hes using.......read prior posts by Samanoi, and you'll fully understand! The 16 years know all.....or some may think they do!:eek:

JLPestkeJr

02-28-2008, 12:22 PM

this has got to be the stupid thread i've seen on this site yet.

...but then again i made the selection rules for DEVGRU and i'm not telling you how i does it. sorry, no girls allowed.

mAd woRdz to my h0myz bro. s0c0m 4 lyfe!

rsctt83

02-28-2008, 12:44 PM

samanoi

02-29-2008, 06:40 AM

SAM

Enough of this, I am, and I am assuming others are as well, growing very tired of hearing about what you can do. You are NOT the only physically fit/strong person to visit this site.

This the last time I want to see any post from you telling us about your athletic prowess. If you want to participate in these forums start asking questions with a bit of humilty and DROP the attitude immediately as you are coming across in a confrontational manner.

I HOPE I AM MAKING MYSELF CRYSTAL CLEAR

I think there is a little misunderstanding here. All this started off as soon as i said that I'm working towards either Delta or DevGru. I got criticized for no reason but for saying what I said. Then it all went down hill from there. Last post I respoded to the guy who put up all those supposed requirements for the CT groups Selection courses. I replyed without an attitude and my intentions weren't anywhere near trying to show off any of my physical/mentle prowess (which I certainly don't have). Its simple, I got criticized and I replyed. So, sorry to have everyone tired of me.

ALL of you SEALs/PJs/Rangers/Force RECON members/DevGru members/Delta operators/Green Berets/British SAS/Australian SAS/ and many others in that kind of line of job I have the UTMOST respect for all of you and all of your hard won accomplishments. And if any of you think I was trying to appear as any of those men's equal, You're wrong because i wasn't....I more than certainly do not compare in any way to any of those guys.

rsctt83

02-29-2008, 07:19 AM

Sam

No worries, we are here to help you achieve your goals in anyway that we can. Using the forums takes a bit of practice and as you have seen at times certain situations/statements can spiral downward quickly.

If you get some time head over to the training forums, there is some good stuff in the extreme endurance stuff that might help you or at least give you some good training ideas. You sound very strong and perhaps you could also share some of your training techniques and routines. There is a wealth of experience within those forums and a free exchange of info between users leads to some great ideas.

Welcome on board

dive doc

02-29-2008, 07:29 AM

Sam,

ill echo what Rsctt said above again. Welcome to NSC. This is a great site with many professionals both in and out of the military who will help you in any way we can, to achieve your goal.

Rsctt is one of those people. Read through his postings and you will realise just what an incredible athlete and valuable source of knowledge he is.

No matter what you meant in your previous posts, they can always be interpreted differently by others. However, there can also be misunderstandings when you are not face-to-face with that person. Your above post is a lot more reasonable and mature than those on the previous page.

Concentrate on getting to BUD/S, graduating, getting through SQT, graduating and earning your Trident if that is your goal. If and when the time comes to consider a Tier 1 unit in the future, worry about it then.

Training to become a US Navy SEAL is challenge enough for anyone to handle.

If we can help you or answer any questions for you we will do our best.

HooYah!!!!

Best of luck.
DD

samanoi

02-29-2008, 07:32 AM

Not really all that strong. I keep having problems. I had to stop running about 5 months ago because of injuries all up and down my legs. Just started up running this week on monday at a much slower workout to let my legs adjust, i did a mile at a 8:30 pace, about 2-3 mins into it i got this wierd numb/pain on my left leg on the left side of my shin, i finished the run anyway with the pain there for the rest of the run. Wednsday I ran again but it took about 1 min longer for the pain to come, and today it i was about 5-6 mins into the run before the pain came.

I don't know what it is, but I've let my legs heal for over 4 months. I Have been doing toe raises and some leg strengthening exersises, may that be the problem?

rsctt83

02-29-2008, 07:54 AM

Sam

Do me a favor, can you post your question within the training forums under running. I have to drop the little ones at school today and will answer your questions when I return, since it involves running/injuries I want others to participate and this is wrong forum. I think I would actually like to close this thread.

I am sure we can help you push through problems with running

mmaakuma

02-29-2008, 10:55 AM

I think there is a little misunderstanding here. All this started off as soon as i said that I'm working towards either Delta or DevGru. I got criticized for no reason but for saying what I said. Then it all went down hill from there. Last post I respoded to the guy who put up all those supposed requirements for the CT groups Selection courses. I replyed without an attitude and my intentions weren't anywhere near trying to show off any of my physical/mentle prowess (which I certainly don't have). Its simple, I got criticized and I replyed. So, sorry to have everyone tired of me.
No, I didn't post the requirements. In case some of you didn't get it, it was sarcasm (bud/s sucks, you).

I don't have a problem with anyone training with a tier 1 unit in mind, but it sounded like you being selected was a certainty. What I was implying was that if you were so sure about being selected, you must be head and shoulders above us.

king henry viii

02-29-2008, 09:50 PM

Let me put it this way. How many back up plans all of you guys got if any of you seal-wana bees don't make it, or any of you other guys don't make it where you wana go?

with me its either this or nothing. I will literally die in training if i can't make it because its either that or passing. Not that i don't make back up plans. just that its either this or nothing. If i don't make it into Delta or DevGru then I won't give a **** what happeneds anymore.

this thread is getting off topic but i'll answer anyways. Sam, last i heard there is a detailer at BUD/S now. Which means if you DOR or get dropped or whatever you go talk to the detailer and they help you pick a job. I'm not exactly sure how much freedom you are given in terms of picking your job. My point is, it seems as though there is no backup plan until you're sitting there with the detailer and he/she is telling you what jobs are available.

Remember, as I have not BT or DT, this is only what I have read and/or heard.

rsctt83

02-29-2008, 09:57 PM

Sam

Dang, you must not be paying attention. Does this ring a bell, I have had it hearing about your dreams/fantasy about tier 1. Give me a freakin break, you are sixteen years old what really have you done? You are joining the ranks of a few other noteable adolescent wannabes that have pissed me off today.

Consider this a warning, any further mention of any SOF plans on your part and you are history.