running shoes(for rsctt or mitty/ knowledgeble runners)

[pipelinesurfer]

hey guys i run an awful lot, but i dont really know all the "techniques" or whatever, but i was curious how often do running shoes need to be replaced? i was told that 100 miles was a good distance, then yesterday a friend told me it was 40 miles, either way im way over the limit with my current shoes. i probably run 40 miles every 2-3 weeks or so, i know i need new shoes, but im curious how often i should get new ones? thanks for the advice

[TavernianDevil]

assuming you have a decent pair of shoes you should be able to get atleast 500 miles out of them. 40 miles isn't even a long week of running. Look at your tread and see how it is wearing. I get busy, and sometimes a bit lazy so I'll often wait until I've got 700 miles or sometimes more. My legs and feet hate it when I do that. Many high milage people I know alternate shoes. They have two or three pairs and and rotate through them. They swear they get more miles out of them that way. Just some thoughts.
TavernianDevil

[pipelinesurfer]

thanks dude, yea i knew 40 miles was waaaayy too short a distance, but it did make me think, "how long is too long?" im needing a new pair now as when i run long distances my feet get beat up, but i just wanted to know if there was a good timeframe. thanks again

[ecampos1012]

I got a question guys What kind of shoes can i use if i have flat-feet?; How can i deal with the pain ?? thank you guys.

[Neumeister]

I got a question guys What kind of shoes can i use if i have flat-feet?; How can i deal with the pain ?? thank you guys.

I believe they have insoles that you can put in your shoes that help build arches, after all the military frowns upon flat feet. In some cases they won't even clear you at MEPS.

[rsctt83]

Guys, sorry I missed this thread. There are no hard fast rules for running shoes with respect to how long they maintain there cushioning properties. As you all know, I run a lot and I recycle my road shoes to trail shoes after 300 miles. The shoes will perform for another 200 miles or so on softer surfaces like trails or grass. I use two pair of running shoes and alternate between the two pair every day. This allows the cushioning properties to fully restore before they are used again. This gets expensive and it is not necessary unless you are running long distances everyday.

As far as insoles Neu is right about this, they are called Super Feet and are available in most sporting goods stores. Me and Neu are lucky because we live near Road Runner which has sales people who are extremely knowledgable and will put you on treadmill to analyze your stride/landing and recommend the correct shoes and insoles.

If you have low arches, you are not alone {I do as well} and I use green Super Feet insoles. My feet have performed well and I have not had any problems related to low arches and I have done some pretty gnarly stuff. You should be fine as long as you develop a solid base running mileage.

Hope this helps, sorry I spaced and missed this thread, my bad

[rsctt83]

I forgot one other key point about shoe life, in part it depends upon body weight of user. For example a Kenyan marathon runner would get longer life out of his running shoes than I would. I weigh 181 pounds and the forces applied to my shoes when I run are greater than those of a 110 pound runner on his shoes. Hence the cushion ability of shoe would not be as taxed from lighter runner. So where I get 300 miles the lighter runner might get 350 or 400 miles of use from his shoes. When you have a lot of experience running you can actually feel when the shoes start to lose there cushioning ability.

One of the main reasons why people get shin splints is improper running shoes or old worn out running shoes. Different model shoes have very different characteristics, some will be beneficial to you while other models will actually increase chances of injury, it all depends on the anatomy of your feet and running style. This is why it is critical to seek out knowledgable running store with trained sales people who understand the different shoes characteristics. Even if you are not near such a store, you can visit a sports poditrist and he/she can tell you characteristics about your stride/landing so that you could call a running store such as Road Runner and the salespeople can recommend shoes over the phone and you can have them mailed to you. This is one way of staying away from injury bug which plauges newbee runners. TRUST ME ON THIS ONE!

If this doesn't make sense try running a few laps of track in running shoes and than switch to boots, you will quickly see a dramatic difference bewteen the two.

[ecampos1012]

oooh.. thx. but plz dont tell me the wont acept me uz i got feet problems.

[ecampos1012]

well thats good to hear that am not the only 1 with flat feet problems?? You think I would be rejected From the seal program if I have flat feet???

[montstar]

I don't think you can even join the military if you have flat feet.

[saavedra0813]

Yeah just look at the treads. Trust me your legs and feet will tell when it is time to switch shoes. I recommend New Balance, those are the one that I was issued when I went through the Marines recruit training and they were pretty durable.

[ecampos1012]

ok.. thx.. i am buy a pair when i get the money =)

[mikev]

What shoes do you guys recommend for Pose Running?

The site list a few, http://www.posetech.com/runningshoes/archives.html

But I was just wondering what other people thought worked the best.

Right now I am running in the Nike Frees, just want to see if there were some better options out there. Thanks.

[rsctt83]

I do not know what pose running is. I run a ton and I use Nike Zoom Vomero and Asics Kayano. Both of these models offer max cushioning along with good stability. Try and find a pure running store in your area with knowledgable sales people that can take a look at your stride/landing and suggest some different models that will work for you. Throw away manufacturers insoles and purchase Super Feet insoles.

[mikev]

Hey thanks for the reply rsctt83.

Umm the POSE technique involves running on the balls of your feet more than the traditional midsole/heal stride. I guess they think its more natural or something, check it out sometime (there was a video on crossfit.com a while back and I know some of thesealquest people do it). Anyways, I just recenty tried it out, and so far its been good but we will see. However, before I switched though, I had those Super Feet insoles (the green ones) with the Kayanos and they seemed to be a good combo. Reason I bought the Super Feet was because of one of your posts and they seemed to be effective, but ya maybe find a way to sell them on the SEAL store, because I rather get them form here than driving the 40 minutes I did to get mine.

[rsctt83]

Mike

Good idea, I will try and get Super Feet on our store, they are a good feet for boots as well.

[j-vazquez]

When Im competing in races (5k or less) I use Nike Free...

They take some getting used to, because its like running barefoot minus the pain, but if your competing and need the lightest and softest shoes possible, go with Nike Free...

I dont train in them though, last time I did I got some killer blisters 4 miles in; but I do use them when Im trying to place in my age group at a race, cuz theyre EXTREMELY light, and they give a slight bounce when u run w/them, so it makes it all easier...

As for training, I have like 4 dif pairs ad switch off as I please; all of 'em are womens shoes though, theyre lighter then mens...

[rsctt83]

Think about this for a second ..... I had a friend who spent over $3,000 on a titanium triathalon bike to save a few pounds. My response was "dude, why don't you just drop three pounds in weight" and save the $3,000 {he was recreational triathlete and could easily have lost a few pounds}. This is sort of akin to guys using womens running shoes to save a few ounces. If you are competing than perhaps a few ounces is significant, but if you are using the running shoes to train this makes absolutely no sense. Take advantage of the added cushioning in mens shoes and there is a reason why they are mens shoes ..... any guesses - they are made to properly fit mens feet.

I do not mean to jump on you and if this works for you cool. I just do not want this information passed along within the forums to others. There are enough foot issues with new runners without adding in using womens shoes to the equation.

[j-vazquez]

Lol; Im slightly flat footed, and I've got small (Extremely insensitive) feet...

They work for ME better...

And they're cheaper :D

[rsctt83]

J

I figured there was another really good reason other than shaving off an ounce or two.

[j-vazquez]

J

I figured there was another really good reason other than shaving off an ounce or two.

Lol...

That always helps...

[pittguy]

Just a quick note for guys who have flat feet. I personally have found great improvement from barefoot running. Now before people jump in with all the dangers and possible problems, I don't run barefoot regularly. I try to throw in about a mile a week of barefoot running. I've found that it has actually brought my arch back some, and it has also significantly strengthened my ankles. If you're going to try barefoot running though, watch the videos on pose running or chi running, because you will need to land midfoot or on the balls of your feet. It's not for everyone, but like I said, I went from flat feet to low arches, so it may be worth a shot.

As far as insoles, I like the Super Feet as well, but if you have the chance to try them, Arch Molds are pretty cool. You heat them up in the oven first, and then you mold them to your feet. I've been really impressed with their durability and quality.

[WannabeA_Tadpole]

I started barefoot running. I only barefoot run or use fivefingers. It is fun stuff, and without the support of shoes, I have to develop my own support, therefore the calves, ankles, and feet, are getting quite strong, and it feels good. In the beginning my ankles were taking a bit of a pounding, but as I progress, and my form got much better, (running barefoot forces form into you) I am getting zero running related injuries. I also hike in fivefingers. I will let everyone know how my distance increases within the next year. Running barefoot is not for everyone though, and one should study this before trying it (I studied it for 3 months).