Eat Anything?

[eyte115818]

I was wondering if it was ok to be able to eat whatever you want just as long as you work it off later on.

I.E. Mcdonalds and then workout at the gym later on that day.

[matty86]

why would you want to put that F*****G garbage in your body in the 1st place??

[king henry viii]

I was wondering if it was ok to be able to eat whatever you want just as long as you work it off later on.

I.E. Mcdonalds and then workout at the gym later on that day.

no it's not okay. eating crap food contributes to higher blood pressure because you've got plaque building up in your arteries due to eating crap. It's hard to pass up the convenience of fast food. Making a whole balanced/nutritional meal is a pain in the ***, but it has to be done.

[nfein1029]

Seriously, McDonalds and the likes is some of the worst food you could eat anyway. I cheat here and there in my diet for special occasions, but overall whether training or not, just avoid that junk.

[bigv123]

Here's a very simple axiom for you to remember regarding nutrition:

Garbage in = Garbage out

It really is as simple as that.

Sean V.

[eyte115818]

Thanks i was just wondering. I know that it is tempting to hurry and pick up something there to eat.

Also i was wondering if anyone can just quickly post a daily meal routine.

E.g. Breakfast - Cereal, apple
Small snack - etc.
Lunch - etc.
Small snack - etc.
Dinner - etc.

[bigv123]

Thanks i was just wondering. I know that it is tempting to hurry and pick up something there to eat.

Also i was wondering if anyone can just quickly post a daily meal routine.

It's impossible to post anything meaningful with the limited amount of information about you on hand. There isn't a "grand unified theory of nutrition" that everyone can use and have great results...there are simply far too many variables.

So, if you're serious and want some advice answer a few questions for us.

#1 - what are your goals? i.e. what are you trying to accomplish physically? get stronger? lean out? add muscle? be specific

#2 - what are your current body measurements? height, weight, body fat %

#3 - what kind of strength levels are you at? use both subjective and objective data points. How do you feel? (strong / weak / powerful / weakling / etc.) What are your current max reps in pushups, situps and pullups?

Sean V.

[9007112]

Eliminate grains, corn and beans, cut your carbs from fruits & vegetables, increase the amount of fat in the diet to compensate for the lost calories from the carbs.

No need to have "meal times", you know when you have to piss, sh*t, drink, rest, etc..... same thing with eating, you don't schedule your piss times too do you?

It's harder to store fat and easier to lose it when insulin isn't spiked during all of your waking hours.

[chasingentropy]

Eliminate grains, corn and beans, cut your carbs from fruits & vegetables, increase the amount of fat in the diet to compensate for the lost calories from the carbs.

No need to have "meal times", you know when you have to piss, sh*t, drink, rest, etc..... same thing with eating, you don't schedule your piss times too do you?

It's harder to store fat and easier to lose it when insulin isn't spiked during all of your waking hours.

Personally, I feel that this is pretty good advice, but not entirely. While you do want to cut carbs, you want to cut BAD carbs, not good carbs. And yes, there is a difference.

Eating white bread is an example of bad carbs. It's mainly processed carbs, which, if not used by your body, are easier to turn in to fat then unprocessed carbs. Foods like whole grain bread and natural sugars(100% orange juice, cranberry juice) are some of the good carbs you should try to get. They provide a good source of energy and are very easy for your body to break down, thus making them first in line for nutrients to be used.

However, always keep in mind : everything in moderation. Just because whole grain bread is a good carb doesn't mean you should only eat whole grain bread and eat it every meal. It just means that when you do eat bread, make it whole grain.

[9007112]

Personally, I feel that this is pretty good advice, but not entirely. While you do want to cut carbs, you want to cut BAD carbs, not good carbs. And yes, there is a difference.

Eating white bread is an example of bad carbs. It's mainly processed carbs, which, if not used by your body, are easier to turn in to fat then unprocessed carbs. Foods like whole grain bread and natural sugars(100% orange juice, cranberry juice) are some of the good carbs you should try to get. They provide a good source of energy and are very easy for your body to break down, thus making them first in line for nutrients to be used.

However, always keep in mind : everything in moderation. Just because whole grain bread is a good carb doesn't mean you should only eat whole grain bread and eat it every meal. It just means that when you do eat bread, make it whole grain.

"Good" carbs=sugar, "bad" carbs=sugar.

All carbs are sugar, wether complex or simple coming from fruit or plain table sugar, animal foods are far more nutritious than plant foods ever will be. The glycemic index and the glycemic load are not good indicators, neither are the vitamins and mineral *added artificially* to the *whole grain* bread.

I build my diet on fat and protein(eggs, butter, bacon, tripe, steak, sausage, lard, raw ground beef, etc....) and sometimes I add some carbs, but carbs are not necessary for health, the less you can live with, the better.

Specifically for performance, carbs can sometimes hinder me, I'm better off eating some raw ground beef or a 16oz rare fatty steak an hour before working out.

If you wanna go "natural" and not "processed", in anything, a steak is way less processed, less treated, etc....

All you gotta do is kill & skin VS the lengthy process of making *healthy* whole grain bread, not to mention the taste, not altered in it's natural state, meat tastes better than wheat and is far more nutritious, humans never evolved eating wheat, fat and protein were the main nutrients that fueled our evolution, not wheat and carbs.

[bigv123]

All carbs are sugar

You need to be real careful here. The dual use of the word "sugar" can create some confusion. In the strict Chemist's sense of the word, the proper way to phrase this is "All carbs are made up of sugars". In the common use of the word "sugar" this would be considered patently false. Sugar as most people and most all Nutritionists accept it are small chain, or simple, carbs such as sucrose, fructose, lactose, glucose, galactose, et al, their defining characteristic that they taste "sweet"...but another is that they also dissolve in water.

Polysaccharides, or what most people call long chain carbs, are indeed just stacks upon stacks of sugar molecules. But, that makes ALL the difference. In common usage they are in fact very different. For people interested in fitness, their differences are staggering. And, I would contend that in this function both the glycemic index and the glycemic load values for carbs are a monumentally important and valuable measuring stick for carbs. However, this comes into play much more for people trying to make body mass changes (lose 15 pounds of fat or, gain 10 pounds of muscle). For those people, GI and GL values are absolutely critical.

But, for people already in excellent shape and physical condition, I would agree that these values aren't that important. In this scenario I would take issue with your claim:

I build my diet on fat and protein(eggs, butter, bacon, tripe, steak, sausage, lard, raw ground beef, etc....) and sometimes I add some carbs, but carbs are not necessary for health, the less you can live with, the better.

For the elite athlete training to improve performance carbs are absolutely critical. You simply need to go back to the 4 primary energy cycles if this isn't clear. To perform you need energy...and you need it fast and from an efficient source. Creatine stores are THE best and fastest source; however, they only last for about 10-15 seconds before they become depleted and need to be restored. Glycogen stores are next...and that means carbs. If you're out of glycogen (or at least close to it) your performance suffers dramatically. If you happened to watch the Discovery Channel documentary on BUD/S...watch the part with Gaines as he almost passes out in the classroom. THAT is what happens when you run your body out of glycogen. The big issue is that the brain can ONLY use glycogen as its energy source. So if you're out of it, your body has to make it from something else. And that can be slow and inefficient. So much so that mental performance can become affected in dramatic ways.

Physically, if your glycogen stores are low the body has to try and find alternate sources of energy to make of the deficit. This means burning proteins (muscle and connective tissue) and fats. Both of these processes are extremely slow and inefficient...thus limiting athletic performance. I can tell when my body has to switch from burning carbs (glycogen). It's like a light switch all over my body. Strength, agility, mental clarity and a host of other functions degrade. But then again, I've been training in the gym for over 15 years now...

Sean V.

[9007112]

You need to be real careful here. The dual use of the word "sugar" can create some confusion. In the strict Chemist's sense of the word, the proper way to phrase this is "All carbs are made up of sugars". In the common use of the word "sugar" this would be considered patently false. Sugar as most people and most all Nutritionists accept it are small chain, or simple, carbs such as sucrose, fructose, lactose, glucose, galactose, et al, their defining characteristic that they taste "sweet"...but another is that they also dissolve in water.They all spike insulin, wether it comes from table sugar or whole grain bread.

Polysaccharides, or what most people call long chain carbs, are indeed just stacks upon stacks of sugar molecules. But, that makes ALL the difference. In common usage they are in fact very different. For people interested in fitness, their differences are staggering. And, I would contend that in this function both the glycemic index and the glycemic load values for carbs are a monumentally important and valuable measuring stick for carbs. However, this comes into play much more for people trying to make body mass changes (lose 15 pounds of fat or, gain 10 pounds of muscle). For those people, GI and GL values are absolutely critical.Again, all carbs cause an insulin response and in some of the studies I read, GI/GL varied from P2P, it wasn't a fixed value, even more important, it offered no advantage in satiety, fat loss, muscle building, etc....

For the elite athlete training to improve performance carbs are absolutely critical. You simply need to go back to the 4 primary energy cycles if this isn't clear. To perform you need energy...and you need it fast and from an efficient source. Creatine stores are THE best and fastest source; however, they only last for about 10-15 seconds before they become depleted and need to be restored. Glycogen stores are next...and that means carbs. If you're out of glycogen (or at least close to it) your performance suffers dramatically. If you happened to watch the Discovery Channel documentary on BUD/S...watch the part with Gaines as he almost passes out in the classroom. THAT is what happens when you run your body out of glycogen. The big issue is that the brain can ONLY use glycogen as its energy source. So if you're out of it, your body has to make it from something else. And that can be slow and inefficient. So much so that mental performance can become affected in dramatic ways.Yeah, but your brain can make it via gluceogenesis and actually, the brain prefers running on ketones.

Physically, if your glycogen stores are low the body has to try and find alternate sources of energy to make of the deficit. This means burning proteins (muscle and connective tissue) and fats. Both of these processes are extremely slow and inefficient...thus limiting athletic performance. I can tell when my body has to switch from burning carbs (glycogen). It's like a light switch all over my body. Strength, agility, mental clarity and a host of other functions degrade. But then again, I've been training in the gym for over 15 years now...

Sean V.I have yet to see proof that the body will become so catabolic and canabilize it's own tissues, if glycogen stores are low but protein and fat are high enough for it to restore glycogen via gluceogenesis :confused:, what you're saying would happen in a famine, not when the body is well fed but not taking in carbs.

I do agree with you though, if you are adapted to burning carbs and then eliminate them or reduce them dramatically then as you say and all studies prove, performance suffers, lethargy peaks, mental confusion, etc.... all well documented symptoms of carb reduction/elimination, however they only last a few days at best.

I feel better working out at zero carbs-10grams than 300grams and the withdrawal symptoms lasted a couple of days at best, I've been working out for 8 years now, 2 of them on high fat, moderate protein and low/zero carb.

Check out this website, I don't endorse the religious views, but their dietary info is pretty good.

http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm

[chicago84]

Floyd Mayweather jr. ate McDonalds everyday during training for the de la hoya fight. But I haven't had fast food in years.

[eyte115818]

Sorry for the long reply.
Im 5'7", around 145 lbs. Im thai so alot of my diet is spicy foods.
I'm in better physical shape then most people. Can do roughly 60-70 pushups nonstop and around 100 sit-ups nonstop. What im looking for is a way to build up muscle but not to the point of bulkyness. I also want to be lean but not skinny.

[montstar]

You can eat the **** and burn the calories no prob, but it's killing you on the inside.

[jdinatale]

Sure you can eat junk food and still look skinny/lean, but you'll be dead on the inside. Want a heart attack in your 40's/50's? Keep on eating mcdonalds.