are eod spec ops?

[drewgupt]

sorry for such a basic question, but I wasn't sure and searched around on google and yahoo and came up with nothing.

thanks in advance

[SeaSpectre]

no. They are explosive ordinance disposal.

[joshdupre]

EOD is Spec Ops (Special Operations) SWCC/SEAL is Spec War (Special Warfare).

[juicetape]

EOD work closely with SEALs and other spec ops, but they are not spec ops. They are not a part of SOCOM.

[joshdupre]

SWCC/SEAL are apart of SOCOM because there SPECWAR EOD is SPEC OPS (Special Operations) because of what they do it's very clear not hard to understand. http://www.eod.navy.mil/index.htm

[joshdupre]

EOD doesn't fall under SOCOM it falls under Navy Expeditionary Combat Command.http://www.necc.navy.mil/

[drewgupt]

Better yet, are EOD considered special forces? That's originally what I meant, which the same answer to them being spec ops is if they are spec forces.

[joshdupre]

well if you read the last link I posted it basically describes all of that to the T. However to a certain extent what does it matter right at the moment what the politically correct break down is. Check out those two links I posted and it goes into specific details.

[ToadyII]

I thought NSW encompassed SEAL/SWCC/EOD/Diver?

[palmach]

sorry for such a basic question, but I wasn't sure and searched around on google and yahoo and came up with nothing.

thanks in advanceIf anyone has ever noticed,that E.O.D. doesn't
wear their uniforms like NSW does, so that really spells it out!There designator
isn't included as,NSW either.Not that they aren't high speed or anything,though.

[eodjw]

SEAL and SWCC are Naval Special Warfare (NSW). NSW is part of SOCOM. EOD and Diver falls under Naval Special Operations. They are not part of SOCOM. EOD falls under NECC. Some Divers fall under NECC. There are Navy EOD Techs attached as Direct Support to SOCOM units. We are the EOD force of choice due to our insertion/small unit capabilities. Although I believe we are better trained than our sister services, I'm biased.

If you have a question about EOD, I'll be happy to answer it.

As far as how we wear the uniform, I wear mine exactly as my frog brothers wear theirs; Legs in pants, arms in sleeves. I really am not sure what that comment was supposed to mean.

[joshdupre]

SEAL and SWCC are Naval Special Warfare (NSW). NSW is part of SOCOM. EOD and Diver falls under Naval Special Operations. They are not part of SOCOM. EOD falls under NECC. Some Divers fall under NECC. There are Navy EOD Techs attached as Direct Support to SOCOM units. We are the EOD force of choice due to our insertion/small unit capabilities. Although I believe we are better trained than our sister services, I' biased.

If you have a question about EOD, I'll be happy to answer it.

As far as how we wear the uniform, I wear mine exactly as my frog brothers wear theirs; Legs in pants, arms in sleeves. I really am not sure what that comment was supposed to mean.

Maybe after you spell it out they will all listen. I tried to explain and even posted links but I don't think it caught on. Good post.

[gator33]

jw,
Hey chief. had to use a new username for this site. I bet you've never answered this specops question before. Do you know the det/platoon you're going to at 2?

MM3

[eodjw]

I have a platoon #. I'll shoot it to you on the other site.

[gator33]

jw,
I got the message. Sounds good. I think that I should pick in the top 5 in my class next week, so hopefully 2 has a slot left. Any big plans for Xmas? Glad your nine year old likes the shirt!

[Salty2ude]

eodjw, do you have to request further training in order to be attached to a direct action unit? Is it a pick of the litter, a request, or how does that work?

[Salty2ude]

I am curious to know because I am leaving for basic on the 3rd of Jan. and I'm planning to take the pst for EOD and enter the program. How would I go about getting to a socom unit ofcourse assuming completion of training?

[gator33]

From what we've been told, we will have no say at all what platoon we get assigned to at the MU when we show up. Maybe later on in your career. I hate to reiterate this, but it's been a long road and we still have about 2 months left of school. Just try to focus on what you can control right now. I'm not trying to flame you, but it just gets so tiresome when that's all you hear people ask about. And trust me, you'll hear it here at school. Students from the Army and Navy talk about the Tier 1 stuff and you just think...man, focus on the EOD tasks and worry about that stuff way down the road. Anyway, good luck. School is great and very challenging. Of our original 31 or so at Great Lakes in Feb., we have 8 left in our class who haven't DOR'd, been dropped from training, or rolled. Good luck.

[Salty2ude]

Why so many DOR's? Are the book studies too intesnive or is it the physical aspect the reason they DOR? How should I use my time to best prepare?

[eodjw]

First off, congrats on your decision. You are starting an extremely long road, as Gator can attest. As far as what type of platoon you will go to, I wish I knew. The Ops Master Chief has to strike the right balance of Basic/Senior/Master Techs on a team. He has to look at how many post deployers he has, and balance that with perstempo and PRD. I'm sure there's more, but you get the idea. All that being said, your best bet is to go to a conventional team for your first deployment. This is where you learn the rules. Where you learn when you can and can not break them. Remember, you are attached to these teams as an EOD Tech to do EOD things. If they needed another (primary) shooter, they'd bring another SEAL/SF/Ect. The conventional mission, or CES, (Combat Expeditionary Support) is also the most dangerous mission in town. All ten Techs the Navy has lost have been to this mission.

Once you finish your first or second pump, you should have an opportunity to go this route if you still want to. But it's still at the needs of the command.


Good luck with everything. If I can be of help, let me know.

[Salty2ude]

Well eodjw, it's like this....I'm turning 35 in bootcamp in January. I don't quit at anything I set my mind to and scored very well on the ASVAB. I'm pretty good with situps, pushups and so on but not the best of runners as of right now. I don't run an 8 minute mile and a half like some of these characters in here but I'm fairly toughened having worked in construction for 15 years. My run times are more in the 12 to 13 range but I'm sure boot camp will improve that. Gator mentioned that quite a few people DOR'd. Is that just because people just find out they don't really want to do this type of job or is it because it's too tough? Is it designed to make you quit like BUD/s or just push you to your limits to see who the quiters are? By the way, it's nice to have people like you in here to help answers questions. I really appreciate it.:) Just want to be mentally prepared and know exactly what I'm getting myself into.

[gator33]

Salty,
I'm 33, which makes me tied for the oldest in my class. The other is a prior enlisted JG. I do the mile and a half in about 9:30 - 10 min. Depending on weather and other variables. That ranks about 6th out of 25 in my class. I was in no way a runner before I decided to come into the Navy. But, I worked on it so that it wouldn't be one of my weaknesses anymore. Your age can be an issure when you're talking about repair and rest, but it's in no way beyond your ability to perform at a high level. If you work hard on things you'll get there. It can take time. My first screen test I think I did 4 pullups and last week I got 32. I'm only using this as an example. Your age can help with maturity and the seriousness that you attack this with. I didn't make it through dive school 3 years ago, but it wasn't because of pt. PT scores don't mean much at all. It's your heart, your water confidence, those intangibles. I wasn't good underwater so I went to the fleet for a couple of years and came back. The prep course at Great Lakes will get you ready. Just work on your running as much as you can, but know that as long as you can pass that, then you can make it. As far as DOR's from EOD school...I've only see one guy do that here. It's usually at the prep course or dive school that people DOR, I think. eodjw helped me out a lot throughout my entire time in the Navy. It's great that there are people that take time to help us on these sites. It's a long road, but it is has been so great so far. Good luck.

[Salty2ude]

Thanks Gator, I leave for basic on the 3rd in January and I guess I will take the PST right after basic. I don't mind something thats challenging over a long haul but I know that there's no way my body could handle BUD/s at my age just like you said as the body's repair rate slows down when you get older. lol That said, sounds like it's something I would thoroughly enjoy if I can stick it out through the first water phaze. From reading your posts, that seems to be the hill to get over. Even if I wasn't able to make it to any socom unit, it's still a priceless education with great opportunities after life in the military you just can't get in the civilian work place.

[gator33]

I want to make it clear that I was the only one that had a hard time underwater the first time I went through. Most of the guys had no trouble whatsoever, so don't sweat that. That was just me. Some guys had trouble treading water, but I didn't so much. Everyone has their strengths as you well know. I think you'll really be happy with your decision to go EOD. I haven't been out there, yet, but as you talk to techs and instructors you'll see. Just keep running. Do track work to get your speed up. Whatever you need. I think you'll take the screen test at the end of the first or second week. Good luck.

Gator

[eodjw]

Salty, no problem. I was once told the person you recruit may be your replacement. It's important that we get people in the program. On the PT side, keep working on the run and swim. that's where the money is made on the test. I've never seen someone do really well on the swim that can't do well on the pullups/push ups. From your stated time, you need to work on the run a lot. Look at the new warning order. Much better than the old one.

http://www.cnrc.navy.mil/ohio/NSW-NSO/PST%20TRAINING%20GUIDE.htm

By the way, Gator, what's up with the new #?

[Salty2ude]

eodjw, those are pretty fast times on the run and swim, but obtainable with hard work. Well, if I don't make it right away I am going to put in for FMF. That will definitely get me into shape then I will try to get back in. I'm sure it's better to make it the first time though. I wish I had more than a couple of months DEP time but my age forced me to get in now. I hope it's not too hard to get a shot at some orders for EOD if I am in FMF. I'm glad I found this website. It's been really helpful having you guys to help guide me because I'm pretty nervous about this big change of profession. I don't know what it's going to be like, but if these kids can do it, I can too.:D

[gator33]

jw,
I had some weird problem logging in with my old one. I guess I never logged in after this site was updated. I don't know. So, it was just easier to get a new login. So, I was 28 when I joined those other forums. Now I'm 33 so that's why I used that #. Still haven't gotten orders, but we're supposed to this week. We'll see.

[Salty2ude]

eodjw, how hard would it be for me, if I do decide to go FMF corpsman first, to get orders for EOD? Is it nearly impossible or is it realistic?

[eodjw]

Especially with your age counting against you, I would say you have a one time shot. Even without the age, our new force structure does not cater to the Fleet returnees. Just move out with a purpose. It doesn't matter if you are first or last, as long as you're putting forth the effort and making the time.

[gator33]

salty,
there are some slow guys in our class that will graduate. In fact, two of them got orders to the same mobile unit that I did. But, they keep going. Actually, it's not so bad to be slow because we just get beat while they catch up. LOL! Honestly, though...yes, they may have had some more one on one time with instructors at dive school, but they did fine. If you want it...REALLY WANT IT...do it right now. But, if I hadn't gone EOD, I would definitely think being an FMF Corpsman would be the next best thing to do in the Navy. Not many more honorable things to do with your life, IMHO. Good luck in whatever you choose.

Gator

[Salty2ude]

Thanks Gators, I told my recruiter ...If I do this thing and join up to serve this great country, it won't be to man the anchor! lol Hope to meet you somewhere down the road God willing. :)