upper back injury

[Trident2010]

At wrestling practice today we were going live, and while I was in referee position posting up my partner broke me down. I believe I landed on my lower neck, but when I hit the mat I could hardly breath, and there was a lot of pain. If I put my head down, and then bring it back to where I am looking up there is a sharp pain in my middle to upper back that travels down what feels like my rhomboideus. It doesn't feel like there is any pain in my neck though.

Also, I continued with practice, and my partner said he heard a cracking noise in my back during a drill. I didn't feel any pain when he said that though.

I would greatly appreciate any help from anybody who might have an idea about whats going on.

Edit: Can't tell if the pain is coming from the muscles or the spine.

[king henry viii]

At wrestling practice today we were going live, and while I was in referee position posting up my partner broke me down. I believe I landed on my lower neck, but when I hit the mat I could hardly breath, and there was a lot of pain. If I put my head down, and then bring it back to where I am looking up there is a sharp pain in my middle to upper back that travels down what feels like my rhomboideus. It doesn't feel like there is any pain in my neck though.

Also, I continued with practice, and my partner said he heard a cracking noise in my back during a drill. I didn't feel any pain when he said that though.

I would greatly appreciate any help from anybody who might have an idea about whats going on.

Edit: Can't tell if the pain is coming from the muscles or the spine.

a cracking sound doesn't seem like it would come from a muscle problem. go get an x-ray. that's my advice.

[snow85]

hey matt, how are you feeling today?

did you tell your coach about this?

first of all, it sounds like you got the wind knocked out of you when you came down, that's not abnormal, so unless you're actually having trouble breathing, i wouldn't worry too much about that. the weird thing about that part of the body is that you could have done some nerve damage the way a football player does when they get hit-- stingers, is what they're called, and they travel through the neck and shoulders, but are temporary and will subside.

ever just cracked your back for the hell of it? or your fingers? or elbows? that could be what your partner heard but was more in tune to it than normal because of your injury. this is even more likely, since you haven't mentioned any actual loss of feeling, and you continued with practice.

now, i'm not sure what the rhomboideus is, so if you could describe this without using "anatomical" terms, that would be more helpful.

[snow85]

ps. where on your neck did you land--

when you look down at your toes, there's a bump that sticks out on the lower back part of your neck. it may not stick out very far, but if you've ever squatted without a collar on the bar, it's the one that will feel bruised when you're done. did you land above or below that bump?

and yes, i'm asking for a reason.

[Trident2010]

hey matt, how are you feeling today?

did you tell your coach about this?

first of all, it sounds like you got the wind knocked out of you when you came down, that's not abnormal, so unless you're actually having trouble breathing, i wouldn't worry too much about that. the weird thing about that part of the body is that you could have done some nerve damage the way a football player does when they get hit-- stingers, is what they're called, and they travel through the neck and shoulders, but are temporary and will subside.

ever just cracked your back for the hell of it? or your fingers? or elbows? that could be what your partner heard but was more in tune to it than normal because of your injury. this is even more likely, since you haven't mentioned any actual loss of feeling, and you continued with practice.

now, i'm not sure what the rhomboideus is, so if you could describe this without using "anatomical" terms, that would be more helpful.

It probably was just the wind being knocked out of me then, cause I don't have any problems breathing at the moment. I played football for two years, and have had stingers before, but only in my shoulders, never my back.

The rhomboideus is a back muscle, right in the middle of your back. If you were to google image back muscles you should see the rhomb on one of those anatomy illustrations.

[Trident2010]

ps. where on your neck did you land--

when you look down at your toes, there's a bump that sticks out on the lower back part of your neck. it may not stick out very far, but if you've ever squatted without a collar on the bar, it's the one that will feel bruised when you're done. did you land above or below that bump?

and yes, i'm asking for a reason.

Im honestly not sure, but I believe below it. My neck doesn't hurt, but it is sore around that bump. The wind was knocked out of me, so thats why I assume it was below.

If I keep feeling better, and today I felt better then yesterday, should I worry about it? Should I still get it checked out even if it keeps getting better?

[snow85]

matt--

fyi, medical textbooks call that the rhomboid major muscle. it's under your lats, it originates at T2, it goes across your shoulder, and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two in the situation you're describing. again, stop trying to use the medical terminiology. just tell it like it is in plain english.

you can get stingers anywhere, depending on where you're hit. the nerves operate in plexi (groups), which allow them to branch out from the spinal column. damage one of those close to the spinal cord, and everything "underneath" it, aka "down your body where those nerve branches go," gets tingly-- like in football.

now, here's the thing: the nerve that supplies the rhomboid originates from the brachial plexus-- the same nerve group that when damaged, causes the "football stingers," that go through the neck, shoulder, and down into the arm. that nerve group "connects" to the spinal cord at C5, which is slightly above the bump in your neck, C7.

i know you said that you continued wrestling, but did you experience any sudden weakness anywhere, or the inablility to more your shoulder/arm/hand in certain directions? any problem moving your head or neck?

[Trident2010]

matt--

fyi, medical textbooks call that the rhomboid major muscle. it's under your lats, it originates at T2, it goes across your shoulder, and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two in the situation you're describing. again, stop trying to use the medical terminiology. just tell it like it is in plain english.

you can get stingers anywhere, depending on where you're hit. the nerves operate in plexi (groups), which allow them to branch out from the spinal column. damage one of those close to the spinal cord, and everything "underneath" it, aka "down your body where those nerve branches go," gets tingly-- like in football.

now, here's the thing: the nerve that supplies the rhomboid originates from the brachial plexus-- the same nerve group that when damaged, causes the "football stingers," that go through the neck, shoulder, and down into the arm. that nerve group "connects" to the spinal cord at C5, which is slightly above the bump in your neck, C7.

i know you said that you continued wrestling, but did you experience any sudden weakness anywhere, or the inablility to more your shoulder/arm/hand in certain directions? any problem moving your head or neck?

no weakness that I could tell, and I had no problem moving my sholders, arms, or hands, but if i moved my neck down or up my back would hurt.

pullups seem to irritate the region also.

snow,

could you explain what a pinched nerve is? do you think that might be the problem?

[Illmaxic]

something tells me this inury occured while doing improper heavy tire lifting... hmmmm

[Trident2010]

something tells me this inury occured while doing improper heavy tire lifting... hmmmm

The injury is not in my lower back, and I don't even have a tire yet. I get a truck on Friday, so I will be able to get a tire this weekend.

[Illmaxic]

well that should help the back lol

[snow85]

The injury is not in my lower back, and I don't even have a tire yet. I get a truck on Friday, so I will be able to get a tire this weekend.

matt, if you want my help, you're going to have to not flip tires. ever.

[snow85]

no weakness that I could tell, and I had no problem moving my sholders, arms, or hands, but if i moved my neck down or up my back would hurt.

pullups seem to irritate the region also.

snow,

could you explain what a pinched nerve is? do you think that might be the problem?

sorry-- missed this. how are you doing today?

matt, did you tell your coach and did you see your athletic trainer? believe me when i say that i understand, as an athlete, not cutting a practice short, and the mentality of playing through, but the things you do not ever mess with are back injuries (spinal, not shoulder), and head injuries.

the reason i asked about your breathing is because the nerve that supplies the diaphragm is in your neck. if that nerve is damaged, the diaphragm either doesn't work, or doesn't work properly, and you can have difficulty breathing, or, in extreme cases like christopher reeve, lose all functioning of that muscle. it causes your lungs to expand and contract, and without it, your lungs can't do their job. that's why a broken neck is so critical-- it can stop your breathing. clearly, this isn't the problem you have, but if you do start to have problems, you need to go the ER right away.

it's hard to say if you pinched a nerve. possibly, but the acute trauma (pain/injury) was caused from the fall. now, whether you fractured a vertebrae or herniated a disc, i can't say. you need x-rays for that. fractured vertebrae are excruciatingly painful, but there's always the case of the person who can't feel it-- so again, did you talk to your coach and your trainer? can you tell me more about exactly where the pain is, exactly what causes it, and what it feels like?

pinched nerves are funny, too. they can "act up" some times, but not others. usually, a pinched nerve is characterized by weakness, tingling, numbness, radiating pain, loss of movement (either complete or partial), or sometimes a sharp, shooting pain.

i can tell you that when i was 18-19, swimming and playing softball, i pinched a nerve in the shoulder of my throwing arm. swimming didn't bother it, but the increased amount of throwing during game-day warm ups aggravated it (every single time!), to the point where i would lose all feeling/control of my lower arm and hand. it was a strong, achy feeling. if i rested it for a few minutes, it was fine. now, i had to treat it all season, under medical supervision, to manage the pain, and i had to stop doing my swimming workouts on softball game days (coach understood 'cause he wanted me healthy enough to perform in the pool). the ONLY time i had a problem with it was during warm ups for games. i think it's because of the increased activity level in a short amount of time. unlike practice, where it was rested frequently, and the shoulder was used differently, throwing warm ups were 30 min straight of constant, hard throwing. in the pool, the movement was tempered by the temperature and compression of the water. but i did occasionally notice it. after the softball season was over, i had to move to more aggressive treatment, and more rest of the shoulder. eventually, it went away on its own.

again, without being able to actually look at you and run you through some tests, it's hard to say. that's why i asked if you'd seen you trainer about this.

ps. right now, don't do things that irritate it.

[Trident2010]

Its a lot better today. I usually only feel the pain when I move my head certain ways. When I am relaxed, there is no pain whats so ever. I asked about the pinched nerves because when I do feel the pain it is a sharp pain, but in a very small general area in my back. Also, when I have someone touch around the area there is no pain at all.

I actually quit wrestling. I was kicked in my shin during the first week which required icing, and wrapping a pad around the spot every practice. A kid landed on the back on my legs during warm ups which hyper flexed the cartilage in the front of the ankle, and then I had the back injury during practice on Monday. So after all that I said enough is enough, I don't want to go to MEPs with any problems.

But no, I didn't go see the trainer because I felt I had been there too many times already. I was going to relax until Monday, and if it still wasn't better I would go see a doctor.

Edit: Don't know if it will help, but the pain is in the thoracic vertebrae region

[snow85]

Its a lot better today. I usually only feel the pain when I move my head certain ways. When I am relaxed, there is no pain whats so ever. I asked about the pinched nerves because when I do feel the pain it is a sharp pain, but in a very small general area in my back. Also, when I have someone touch around the area there is no pain at all.

I actually quit wrestling. I was kicked in my shin during the first week which required icing, and wrapping a pad around the spot every practice. A kid landed on the back on my legs during warm ups which hyper flexed not a medical term, and therefore, i don't know what this means. i even googled it, and all i got was a wetsuit mfg. co. the cartilage at the bottom of the tibia and fibula, again, not sure what you're talking about, considering the skeletal structure and where the cartilage actually IS, and the type of cartilage found on these bones, and also not sure what happened to "hurt" you, and then I had the back injury during practice on Monday. So after all that I said enough is enough, I don't want to go to MEPs with any problems.

But no, I didn't go see the trainer because I felt I had been there too many times already. I was going to relax until Monday, and if it still wasn't better I would go see a doctor.

STOP making up "medical terminology" to make yourself sound more educated than you are. unless your part-time job is actually working in the medical field, stop it. you're not helping anyone, and you're making yourself look like a little kid trying to make himself look like a grown up. i can't help you if i can't figure out what the hell you're talking about. that's why i told you to use simple english. (hint: the professional athletes i know use simple, plain english. this includes the bad a** hockey players.)

let me get this straight:

1. you quit wrestling b/c of a couple bumps and bruises, yet you want to be a SEAL and think you can handle BUD/S?

2. you weren't a responsible athlete because you felt like you had to be a tough guy, and yet you want to be a SEAL?

:-/

[snow85]

sounds like you bruised the muscle.* ice, advil (as directed on the bottle, ONLY), and see how it feels monday.

NO working out over the weekend, other than running. no swimming, no pull ups, no push ups, no sit ups, no weights, no nothing, other than running. if you own a bike, you can cycle (road, not mountain).

*again, hard to say, but you'll have to see how it feels.

[snow85]

Its a lot better today. I usually only feel the pain when I move my head certain ways. When I am relaxed, there is no pain whats so ever. I asked about the pinched nerves because when I do feel the pain it is a sharp pain, but in a very small general area in my back. Also, when I have someone touch around the area there is no pain at all.

I actually quit wrestling. I was kicked in my shin during the first week which required icing, and wrapping a pad around the spot every practice. A kid landed on the back on my legs during warm ups which hyper flexed the cartilage in the front of the ankle, and then I had the back injury during practice on Monday. So after all that I said enough is enough, I don't want to go to MEPs with any problems.

But no, I didn't go see the trainer because I felt I had been there too many times already. I was going to relax until Monday, and if it still wasn't better I would go see a doctor.

Edit: Don't know if it will help, but the pain is in the thoracic vertebrae region

response to your edit:

T-region is the middle of your back. all of it. is it on a particular side? in a particular location? what specific movements? "moving my head" is like telling me that you know the "guy in the hat" at the baseball game. how am i supposed to know what you're talking about?

[Jen_MV]

Trident,
There is no way any of us here (even a doctor) can diagnose you online. I asked a doctor to read your posts and he is unable to determine if you have neurological, muscular, or bone damage. If you are still having pain, please see a physician.

Two things:
Next time this happens again, inform your coach and parents about it. It is better to be safe than sorry.
Until you know the source of the problem, refrain from doing strenous activity that can irritate it more.

We all want you to go to BUD/s at your optimum physical level. Taking care of your body now will give you a better chance of being a SEAL.

[snow85]

actually, trident, do NOT go to a physician on your own. that's not good advice.

matt--

if you choose to go to the doctor:

you were wrestling on the school wrestling team, you need to see the school doctor. doing anything other than that can cause major, major problems.

for example, if you have a fractured vertebrae and herniated disc and this requires surgery, and you go see another doctor, then go back and tell your coach this, you're probably going to be responsible for all of the associated medical bills (a grand total that will be quite large). then, if you try to sue the school for the money, you're going to rack up fat legal bills, and you might lose. then, you get more legal bills.

you always need to see the doctor who is officially associated with your school, first, always. that means that if you choose to go, you need to be officially sent to the doc by a school official-- your trainer. they're there for a reason and are trained in this stuff. general doctors and nurses aren't. doctors who specialize-- no can do. that's why a gp will send you to a specialist, and one specialist, say an ortho, might send you to another specialist, say, a neuro. you spend time in your field and you really can't do much in the others. kind of the way a civil engineer knows nothing about what a petroleum engineer does, and neither knows what a chemical or nuclear engineer does.

there are specific courses and certifications that a trainer gets-- among other things, they are first responders and are specifically trained to deal with spinal and head injuries, heart/lung issues, and a whole host of things that people who specialize do not do unless they're neurologists, orthos, cardiothoracics, etc. it's a specialty in and of itself. that's why i asked you if you had talked to your trainer, and to find out what they said about the school athletic/medical policy.

[mdwelke]

STOP making up "medical terminology" to make yourself sound more educated than you are. unless your part-time job is actually working in the medical field, stop it. you're not helping anyone, and you're making yourself look like a little kid trying to make himself look like a grown up. i can't help you if i can't figure out what the hell you're talking about. that's why i told you to use simple english. (hint: the professional athletes i know use simple, plain english. this includes the bad a** hockey players.)

let me get this straight:

1. you quit wrestling b/c of a couple bumps and bruises, yet you want to be a SEAL and think you can handle BUD/S?

2. you weren't a responsible athlete because you felt like you had to be a tough guy, and yet you want to be a SEAL?

:-/

if you need it in simple English so you can help a Med problem, instead of understanding his "correct" terminology, I wouldn't be giving out medical advice if I were you. What if you told him the wrong thing and he took your advice and perpetuated the problem. You, and this site would be liable. Now,
before you jump down my throat, I happen to know a thing or three about the back. I have to have two fusions in the near future. Bone spurs, degenerated disks and stenosis are the reasons why. I could write a book on back injuries and procedures, but refuse to answer this kids post b/c I am NOT A DOCTOR and neither are you.
Ok, I am in the defensive crouch. Let me have it.

[Jen_MV]

Snow, it's been four days, will that still apply? He should have informed them when it happened, right? I'm really curious to know how this process works. In any case, we both agree he needs to see a physician.

[snow85]

yeah. it applies because it was a school-sanctioned activity.

usually your primary insurance covers (whatever mom or dad carries), and then the secondary, school insurance picks up the slack. but, the catch is that in some school districts, you have to only use their physician. getting a second opinion is something different altogether.

he should have told his trainer, for sure. i had a lot of injuries that my parents never knew about, but my trainer always knew.

as far as seeing a doc, no, at this point i think that's a waste of money. athletic trainers are health care providers... here, i know people on this site aren't going to take my word for it, so here's what the u.s. board of labor statistics says:

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Significant Points

Job prospects should be good in the health care industry; however, competition is expected for positions with sports teams.
Long hours, sometimes including nights and weekends, are common.
About one-third of athletic trainers work in the health care industry.
About 7 out of 10 athletic trainers have a master’s or higher degree.Nature of the Work
Athletic trainers help prevent and treat injuries for people of all ages. Their clients include everyone from professional athletes to industrial workers. Recognized by the American Medical Association as allied health professionals, athletic trainers specialize in the prevention, assessment, treatment, and rehabilitation of musculoskeletal injuries. Athletic trainers are often one of the first heath care providers on the scene when injuries occur, and therefore must be able to recognize, evaluate, and assess injuries and provide immediate care when needed. They also are heavily involved in the rehabilitation and reconditioning of injuries.

Athletic trainers often help prevent injuries by advising on the proper use of equipment and applying protective or injury-preventive devices such as tape, bandages, and braces. Injury prevention also often includes educating people on what they should do to avoid putting themselves at risk for injuries.

Athletic trainers should not be confused with fitness trainers or personal trainers, who are not health care workers, but rather train people to become physically fit.

Athletic trainers work under the supervision of a licensed physician, and in cooperation with other health care providers. The level of medical supervision varies, depending upon the setting. Some athletic trainers meet with the team physician or consulting physician once or twice a week; others interact with a physician every day. The extent of the supervision ranges from discussing specific injuries and treatment options with a physician to performing evaluations and treatments as directed by a physician.

Athletic trainers also may have administrative responsibilities. These may include regular meetings with an athletic director or other administrative officer to deal with budgets, purchasing, policy implementation, and other business-related issues.
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no, i don't think he needs to see a doc straight away. people freak out with neck and spinal injuries, and justly so, but he would have known that right away. if it still bothers him on monday, he needs to go to his trainer, have the trainer physically assess him if he's still bothered by it, and let the trainer make the decision as to go to the doctor. he also needs to have the trainer note his medical file.

if it's isolated, recovery might be accelerated by an ultrasound treatment or two, depending on what presents upon a physical eval.

[Trident2010]

STOP making up "medical terminology" to make yourself sound more educated than you are. unless your part-time job is actually working in the medical field, stop it. you're not helping anyone, and you're making yourself look like a little kid trying to make himself look like a grown up. i can't help you if i can't figure out what the hell you're talking about. that's why i told you to use simple english. (hint: the professional athletes i know use simple, plain english. this includes the bad a** hockey players.)

let me get this straight:

1. you quit wrestling b/c of a couple bumps and bruises, yet you want to be a SEAL and think you can handle BUD/S?

2. you weren't a responsible athlete because you felt like you had to be a tough guy, and yet you want to be a SEAL?

:-/

Not trying to use terminology to be cool, but to help you out. I also thought I edited the cartillage part, but I guess I didnt.

1. I quit wrestling because I am not going to risk having complications in the military over wrestling. The last thing I want is complications at MEPs because of a wrestling injury. Also, comparing a 3 month wrestling season to a life style for 8+ years is ridiculous.

2. How is getting injured have anything to do with not being responsible? None of my injuries were because of something I did wrong. Here you go again with the insults.

[Trident2010]

sounds like you bruised the muscle.* ice, advil (as directed on the bottle, ONLY), and see how it feels monday.

NO working out over the weekend, other than running. no swimming, no pull ups, no push ups, no sit ups, no weights, no nothing, other than running. if you own a bike, you can cycle (road, not mountain).

*again, hard to say, but you'll have to see how it feels.

Don't plan to, but running is actually painful. Don't know if it is because impact, or movement, but it isn't easy.

[Trident2010]

if you need it in simple English so you can help a Med problem, instead of understanding his "correct" terminology, I wouldn't be giving out medical advice if I were you. What if you told him the wrong thing and he took your advice and perpetuated the problem. You, and this site would be liable. Now,
before you jump down my throat, I happen to know a thing or three about the back. I have to have two fusions in the near future. Bone spurs, degenerated disks and stenosis are the reasons why. I could write a book on back injuries and procedures, but refuse to answer this kids post b/c I am NOT A DOCTOR and neither are you.
Ok, I am in the defensive crouch. Let me have it.

I am not looking for advise on what to do, but more about what is wrong. I started the thread to maybe get an idea about what went wrong before I spend the money to go see somebody.

If you have an idea to what the problem might be, I would appreciate your comment.

[Trident2010]

Im going to lay low over the weekend, and if it doesn't get better I'll take Snows advise and go see the school trainer before an outside doctor.

[mdwelke]

I am not looking for advise on what to do, but more about what is wrong. I started the thread to maybe get an idea about what went wrong before I spend the money to go see somebody.

If you have an idea to what the problem might be, I would appreciate your comment.

I don't know what the problem might be. I do know that if you don't seek medical advice, you could be setting yourself up for a worse injury down the road. Do what the schools policy is, but I WOULD BE SEEN BY A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL. No one on this site can diagnose what you did without seeing and x ray or mri. Period. End of subject on that. It sounds like you really want a career as a SEAL. Why would you jeopardize that by seeking medical advice on a SEAL chat forum vs. seeing a trained medical professional?
p.s. Are you a NFL fan? If so, did you see how they treated Chad Johnson's neck injury when he hurt it on the field? They isolated his neck with a brace and carried him off on a backboard. Turned out he had a bruised neck AFTER he had the mri. The NFL doesn't mess around with necks. WHy should you?
Here is another ex. In class 234, remember when the student hurt his back when the IBS fell on him? Do you remember the caution the instructor's used? Granted this kid had prior issues. Prior issues just like you could have. But you won't know until you get checked out.
Snow is wrong with her advice. You need to tell your parents and you coach and go from there.

[snow85]

mdwelke--

unless you're a trained medical professional, (sports medicine), you have no place to tell me that i'm wrong. in fact, go back and read what i actually wrote. i NEVER said don't tell your parents, coach, trainer. in fact, i said the OPPOSITE. to compare his injury with what you're talking about, is what's wrong. IF you want everyone treated like that (the guys who put him in a brace, btw, that was MY job--- fyi, to assess, evaluate, and treat those injuries-- so i'm sure i don't know what i'm talking about), the athlete has to TELL people that they're hurt. no one has a crystal ball. if, when they see matt walking around school, he looks fine, they have no reason to assume that anything is wrong if he hasn't reported anything.

part of being an athlete is being responsible for yourself. that means telling people when you're hurt. matt has not done that.

matt-- it's not an insult. getting injured is only irresponsible if you're doing something stupid and it causes you to get hurt, like my football player who fell off the back of a truck and cracked his head open on the street. (he was okay, no big deal.) but, responsibilty for yourself is something you need to learn if you want to make it in life, the military, as a SEAL.

i do appreciate you trying to tell me, specifically where you think you're hurt-- it does help to identify the area so that i can think accordingly as i can't see or touch you, but when things don't make sense, it makes it harder. tell me again, about your legs-- do they still hurt?

you could just as easily get hurt training for the military as you could for wrestling, and in fact, is more likely that that would be the case, as no one is supervising you to make sure that you're on track.

also, please go back and answer the questions about the pain. thanks.

[mdwelke]

I forwarded your post where you described what you did and how you feel to my friend who is an Orthapedic Surgeon for the Florida Gators football team. His specialty is the spine. He told me at a minimum get an x-ray. He told me that he would recommend an MRI but that is up to your school, insurance coordinator and Doctor. There are literally hundreds of things that you could have hurt. The way you are describing things, more than likely it is a soft tissue injury. If there is tingling or numbness, then nerves are involved and thats when things can get more serious.
I hope this helps. Some free advice from a Licensed Professional that deals with spines.

[snow85]

hm, that's funny. i said all those things. interesting, isn't it?

i'm sure he explained to you what soft tissue is, too. why don't you share that with the class.

[mdwelke]

hm, that's funny. i said all those things. interesting, isn't it?

i'm sure he explained to you what soft tissue is, too. why don't you share that with the class.

why don't you go away. It must suck not having any friends. I know you can't be married. There is no way in hell a man would put up with you. You remind me of a scorned old woman, sitting on the couch watching Jerry Springer, eating cake frosting and macaroni and cheese wondering why you weigh 400 pounds and why life is so cruel. Your only outlet is coming on this site to tell everyone how dumb they are and "look at me" I am so smart. I have an opinion on EVERYTHING and god help us if we don't agree with it b/c you will rip our face off! Why don't you use some of this intellect for something useful, like developing an engine that doesn't require oil or gas? Just do something so you can find happiness and then you woudn't have to be so bitter or elitist on here.

[Trident2010]

I forwarded your post where you described what you did and how you feel to my friend who is an Orthapedic Surgeon for the Florida Gators football team. His specialty is the spine. He told me at a minimum get an x-ray. He told me that he would recommend an MRI but that is up to your school, insurance coordinator and Doctor. There are literally hundreds of things that you could have hurt. The way you are describing things, more than likely it is a soft tissue injury. If there is tingling or numbness, then nerves are involved and thats when things can get more serious.
I hope this helps. Some free advice from a Licensed Professional that deals with spines.

Thanks, this helps a lot. I'll get an x-ray.

[snow85]

why don't you go away. It must suck not having any friends. I know you can't be married. There is no way in hell a man would put up with you. You remind me of a scorned old woman, sitting on the couch watching Jerry Springer, eating cake frosting and macaroni and cheese wondering why you weigh 400 pounds and why life is so cruel. Your only outlet is coming on this site to tell everyone how dumb they are and "look at me" I am so smart. I have an opinion on EVERYTHING and god help us if we don't agree with it b/c you will rip our face off! Why don't you use some of this intellect for something useful, like developing an engine that doesn't require oil or gas? Just do something so you can find happiness and then you woudn't have to be so bitter or elitist on here.

pissy? dude, how old are you, because you're acting like you're 13.

news for you:

i am trained to be talking about what i'm talking about. if you want to try to discredit what i'm saying, why don't you pick up a medical book, or better yet, actually read what i write. why don't you go back through my posts and count how many times i mentioned going to see a trainer?

you're clearly the bitter one-- devoting an entire post to slamming me, an entire threadjack of personal insults, when we've never met and you couldn't possibly know what you're talking about. what's even better is that you do it on a thread where a kid is hurt and needs help. how selfish can you be? hope you feel a little less constipated now that you got that out.

keep on, keepin' on. it's pretty entertaining, but at least have the decency to crap on your own thread, elsewhere, where a person isn't in need.