Endurance for swimming

[frogmen228]

im just starting to swim and should i start out with the freestyle stroke to build endurance or should i go start to the CSS?

[borus96]

I hardly ever do free style. When I do it's like 25 meter sprints. Endurance is relative to all your activities. If you have good endurance in running and just basic working out the endurance will carry over to swimming. My first pst I swam 10:30 and I only touched the pool with the motivators and I took another pst just to see where I was at and I did the swim in 8:40 but I already had the CSS down pretty well. And this is after doing tons of crossfit and running so, I really wasn't tired at all after the swim. 10 minutes was WAYYY to much time for recovery.

[ssisk]

I personally would build your endurance with swimming freestyle...as for the endurance carrying over, I personally do not fully agree with that because swimming works different muscles so by having endurance with your running your legs are strong and have the endurance, but you need to work on the muscles endurance in your arms. They defintly do compliment each other in a way though. My suggestion would be to work on your swim endurance with freestyle and then do your cool down (like a 100+) doing CSS working on good form. By getting comfortable in the water and working on technique you conquer more than half the battle right there. That is just my opinion though, and I hope it helps

[borus96]

I personally would build your endurance with swimming freestyle...as for the endurance carrying over, I personally do not fully agree with that because swimming works different muscles so by having endurance with your running your legs are strong and have the endurance, but you need to work on the muscles endurance in your arms. They defintly do compliment each other in a way though. My suggestion would be to work on your swim endurance with freestyle and then do your cool down (like a 100+) doing CSS working on good form. By getting comfortable in the water and working on technique you conquer more than half the battle right there. That is just my opinion though, and I hope it helps

Well if your theory is correct he shouldn't be doing freestyle because it works different muscles :D
If you want to work the same muscles do body squats there ya go. ssisk I think endurance is relative especially in the pool. Yea going from being a badass swimmer to a badass runner would be completely different becuase there is a lot more damage being put on your body. But I would agree with you a bit because your arms do play a role and if you are twig arm then you won't be able to propel yourself forward lol. Dude just go do Crossfit, seriously. I tell everyone that but it's the god damn truth. If you do Crossfit then you will be able to run jump lift squat and all that bs. If your doing freestyle do sprints because all your trying to do is get your max Heart rate up. Or do CSS at like 50% working on technique like ssisk up there said. Unlike running where it's all about how much you put out the faster you go. In the water it's just the opposite how good your technique is how little you have to put out to achieve max efficiency.

[snow85]

actually, borus, you're wrong about running endurance carrying over into swimming.

it's the OTHER way around. swimming endurance will carry into running, but running doesn't do anything much for swimmers, but work muscle groups differently.

to the op--
freestyle is the stroke you want to use to build endurance. done correctly, it will work everything you need to work. once you have it down and can swim for 30 min or so at a good clip, then work on your css.

believe me, if you're swimming a 15min mile, you're putting out power AND efficiency. technique matters no matter what athletic endeavor you undertake. power (watts of output per pound of body wieght) matters too.

[Illmaxic]

definately agree with that snow. I was running a lot more than i swam at first. Now i've been swimming way more than I have been running, (starting to equal it out though) and I have stamina all day long while running, the only thing that gets tired is my legs, I never lose wind.

[mdwelke]

actually, borus, you're wrong about running endurance carrying over into swimming.

it's the OTHER way around. swimming endurance will carry into running, but running doesn't do anything much for swimmers, but work muscle groups differently.

to the op--
freestyle is the stroke you want to use to build endurance. done correctly, it will work everything you need to work. once you have it down and can swim for 30 min or so at a good clip, then work on your css.

believe me, if you're swimming a 15min mile, you're putting out power AND efficiency. technique matters no matter what athletic endeavor you undertake. power (watts of output per pound of body wieght) matters too.

I always wonderd what "watts" meant on the machines at Golds. I never paid it much attention b/c I didn't know what it meant. So it equals total power? Could you break it down a bit more for me. Thanks in advance.

[geoflo]

im just starting to swim and should i start out with the freestyle stroke to build endurance or should i go start to the CSS?

Learn freestyle first, but learn it correctly, once you got freestyle down then I recommend learning breaststroke and once you got that down then learn CSS. Your endurance will go up the more you swim, it's tough at first but just keep practicing but don't neglect running either. I recommend getting your self a good swim coach/instructor so that you develop good techinique. Just remember to exhale all of your air from your lungs before taking in a full breath. Good Luck.

[frankthetank19]

borus is very wrong on this subject trust me i thought to only work on my breast stroke but i started swimming with my dad who was a national champ in breast for 2 years and pretty much is a fish and knows swimming better than anyone i know. but what he told me is that swimming works every muscle in the body. but you need to know every stroke you can and work on every one becasue it works muslces harder and better that you need to have for the CSS or breastroke personally i like the breast stroke better. but the freestyle is very important you get tired easier but it builds better stamina and works your chest and shoulders which you need for your other stroke. heres a good stamina swimming workout.
500m swim with css or bs (warm up)
10 sprints of 50 m for css or bs
10 sprints of 50m for freestyle
5 50's of butterfly (hardest stroke personally)
500m of css or bs as fast as you can
3 sprints of 100m for freestlye
250m cooldown whatever stroke you want
thats about 3000m

[ssisk]

borus is very wrong on this subject trust me

Frank, calm down man. Borus is not VERY wrong. He brings up some good points about the crossfit. He is simply explaining what works for him and trying to help another person out. It is your job as the SON of a national champion to inform what you know about the sport, not to put others down. Give him a break, and build people up, don't tear them down.

[frankthetank19]

sorry didnt mean to say it very harshley that was me amking a poor decision and being an *** sorry borus. i was jsut trying to state that its crucial to leanr everything aobut swimming that you can and to focus on one thing can be beneficial but if you work on the others also that its even more beneficial. sorry borus didnt mean to act liek an *** my fault

[borus96]

sorry didnt mean to say it very harshley that was me amking a poor decision and being an *** sorry borus. i was jsut trying to state that its crucial to leanr everything aobut swimming that you can and to focus on one thing can be beneficial but if you work on the others also that its even more beneficial. sorry borus didnt mean to act liek an *** my fault

lol. Frank no worries bud. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if I can't take being criticized on this forum I have a much bigger problem when I get to BUD/s :D . I'm not claiming to know all, and I know for a fact I don't. But my best area is swimming. And yea like ssisk said what works for me may not work for others. I personally can jump in a pool and hold my own against anyone that I have seen in the trainings and I'm not a twig ;) But encorporating a crossfit style workout is excellent for training. Couple of guys and me did this as a crossfit. I'll post it if any of you want to replicate it with some of your buds.

This is with a total of three people - Ten rounds of 50m swim, pushups, situps

Ok you have three people. The first person starts off with the 50m swim, the person behind the guy who started swimming does pushups until the first person has completed the 50m and the person third in line does situps until he moves the first guy finishes the swim then he moves forward where he will do pushups its just a big cycle. Non stop. Do this for Ten rounds equalling 500 meters and somewhere between 150 - 200 pushups and 175-225 situps. Shouldn't take longer than 30 minutes. Thats one of our fave Crossfit style with swim in there workouts. Try it out let me know what you think.

Trust me...if you do this your legs will become AMAZINGLY efficient at kicking :D because your arms wont be able to do ****! LOL Sorry if I was having trouble explaining it. It would be better visually. lol

[frankthetank19]

dude borus if i can get three people to do that, thats if my dad is out of town then that would be a good work out for all around it makes sense wish you would have put that in the previous post you had but for a single person work out you should give mine a try learn the butterfly great for the shoulders and abs

[borus96]

dude borus if i can get three people to do that, thats if my dad is out of town then that would be a good work out for all around it makes sense wish you would have put that in the previous post you had but for a single person work out you should give mine a try learn the butterfly great for the shoulders and abs

yea butterfly's are a *****!

[snow85]

and by *****! i as*ume you mean b*tch!

the fly will work you hard, hard, hard. in fact, fly is the most difficult stroke there is. make sure you keep your head down when you do it. when you breathe, you should be looking down, not forward, to avoid straining your neck and back, (although do look forward occasionally so you don't crack your head on the wall).

[snow85]

I always wonderd what "watts" meant on the machines at Golds. I never paid it much attention b/c I didn't know what it meant. So it equals total power? Could you break it down a bit more for me. Thanks in advance.

based on your last post to me, no.

google it and find out on your own.