medical exam

[Jamal]

I'm interested in joining the Navy to become a SEAL but I've had a past with asthma, however it doesn't bother me now. But I won't to check and see whether or not I'm truly cleared of asthma so what is the name of the test you go through in order to determine that? I need to know this so I know what to ask for when I go to the doctor.

[montstar]

this has been posted several times and i think i remember one post mentioned the name of a test given at MEPS that induces a asthma attack for anyone who had asthma. use the search. but if you wanna be special warfare i wouldnt even mention it to the navy because they will blow it out of proportion.

[pammy10s]

Just an anecdote on navy med. I first was recruited to be a pilot when I graduated from college. Although I had no problems with it at the time, I had had a previous shoulder injury that I mentioned in the med exam. I was disqualified. Five years later, after having surgery on that same shoulder, I was commissioned. I never mentioned the shoulder in the second medical exam, and the doctor didn't seem to notice the arthroscopy scars. I passed with flying colors. If I were you, I wouldn't mention a thing. Chances are they have no way of finding out and if you're asymptomatic now, you'll probably be good to go.

[snow85]

Just an anecdote on navy med. I first was recruited to be a pilot when I graduated from college. Although I had no problems with it at the time, I had had a previous shoulder injury that I mentioned in the med exam. I was disqualified. Five years later, after having surgery on that same shoulder, I was commissioned. I never mentioned the shoulder in the second medical exam, and the doctor didn't seem to notice the arthroscopy scars. I passed with flying colors. If I were you, I wouldn't mention a thing. Chances are they have no way of finding out and if you're asymptomatic now, you'll probably be good to go.

seriously. if you were commissioned as an officer, how is it that you're advocating that a kid lie during his medical exam?

[TrueAce]

Lying is never good, but like I mentioned in my post about color vision there are some things that would never affect you if no one knew. Shoulder surgery where the only problem left is a little scar tissue is one of them in most cases. I would rank color vision higher for a dq than shoulder surgery except in maybe spec ops where you're expected to do thousands of overhead log/boat presses etc. Obviously I don't know all the details but I guess it could give out while trying to manipulate the controls or something lol. I mean really do they think it's going to give out while he's flying the aircraft? Are they fearful about an ejection or the g forces if he goes jets? Pammy if you could let us know why they thought the surgery would be of danger to you, the aircraft or people around you it would be helpful.

[snow85]

what did you say about color vision? that can be crucial in daily life, and even moreso in the military.

the surgical issues aren't necessarily while flying, but what happens if you eject into hostile territory. i've had a major dq'ing surgery, claimed it, and was waived after we went to great lengths to prove that it wasn't ever goin to be an issue.

it's not like a waiver can't be granted for a physical issue, but they definitely don't grant them for lying.

[TrueAce]

I'm sure he did try to waive it but until we hear from him we won't know I guess. I'm just saying I bet some people are dq'd knowing they can perform the job without a problem. Then there is also the other side of people who think they can but can't I know.

I said I've worked in a job for approximately three years that requires good color vision according to our corporation. It's a fixed based operator fueling, servicing, towing private jets. About a year into the job they made us take the plate test and I knew I would fail. I failed then asked how many problems I had with mixing fuel, lights etc, wrecking jets. None they said....so I was allowed to stay never telling corporate that I failed the test. Now if they started implementing the color vision test before I started the job I would've never been allowed a shot. Many guys there who had passed the test have misfueled, had accidents and whatever else you can think of but can pass the test with no problem. Anyways I guess color vision is important but my argument is I can see it well enough to do the job. Then again everyone always thinks they're right lol. Hopefully I can pass the falant when I find one.

[snow85]

i'm going to recommend that you delete what you've just written.

if there is ever a major incident at your place of employment, due to what you've written, your employer can and will be sued for negligence, and then none of you will have jobs.

[TrueAce]

Don't worry I don't work there anymore. Trust me if I felt I was endangering anybody or the aircraft I would have quit after failing the test. Didn't you read I had been accident free for three years? Now don't you think if color vision was a problem for me it would have come into play by now. Ya you're right there's always that chance but lets get real. I showed more responsibility than anyone my age and when the senior guys weren't around, I was in charge since I have a laid back, keep it cool attitude. Thinking about what your going to do before you screw with a million dollar always kept me trouble free. That's how I am, but unfortunately many other teens and young adults I worked with weren't the same although there were some. They would start screwing with a jet while talking on their cell phone or whatever else you can think of. Then crash or oh crap I'm putting avgas in a jet aircraft even though the fuels are color coded. I know I didn't mention if I was still working there so there was no way you could know but thanks for the warning.

[Jamal]

this has been posted several times and i think i remember one post mentioned the name of a test given at MEPS that induces a asthma attack for anyone who had asthma. use the search. but if you wanna be special warfare i wouldnt even mention it to the navy because they will blow it out of proportion.

thanks, I just found it.

[snow85]

ace-- i read it, but what you don't get is that your 3 years don't matter. there's a policy in place for safety that has been repeatedly violated by your continued employment in that particular position.

if someone had been seriously hurt or had died, what would matter is that the company was negligent. that's it.

the first one the company would have blamed would have been you, since you knew about your problem and didn't disclose it.

that's where it gets really ugly. just fyi.

[snow85]

jamal,

the truth is that you never know what can trigger a respiratory event, or when it will happen. don't lie to the navy about it.

[billusn]

As usual, Snow knows everything about everything.

[snow85]

i'm sorry bill-- i missed your helpful advice. why don't you pull your head out of your a** and give some.

[billusn]

What is the sense in posting a reply to you? When you do know what you are talking about, you do your best to belittle the person who asked the question. And when you don't know what you are talking about, i.e., most of the time, you do your best to belittle the person who asked the question to disguise your ignorance.
Hint:Get your head out of your a** and get a life!!! At least most of the people on here have goals and a reason to exist. What are yours??? It's obvious you have no friends to communicate with, (go figure), as you spend your time hiding behind a pseudonym trying to sound important.
I'm sorry, I can't continue this thread. I have a JOB!!!

[snow85]

seriously? you post ONLY to be a jerk to me and when you're called on it, you come up with that?

haha. that's funny.

[billusn]

That's because I only post when I have something to say-and posers like you p*** me off. I have known a thousand people just like you in my lifetime. Always right. Always have the answer and are able to present it in the most offensive way.
Have you ever been in the military? If not, show some respect to the kids who are interested. If you have, show some respect to the kids who are interested.

[snow85]

when you have something to say, pertinent to a thread, why aren't you saying it?

you don't need to worry about me, worry about you. i'm not posing as anything, but that waddle that you're doing to catch up to the bandwagon is kind of cute.

if my information is wrong, post credible evidence that it's wrong. my guess is that you're pissy because you can't. there's nothing i've posted on this thread that is wrong when talking about applying to the military, or about acute respiratory events in patients who present with an asthmatic history.

as far as respect to the kids in the military, why don't you pull with your neck until you hear the pop, and once your eyes have cleared, go back and re-read what i wrote here.

as far as you and i are concerned, respect is a two way street. you've not even said hello to me before you tried to jump down my ***. i'm not interested in the petty bullsh^it that you clearly are on a mission to find.

if your job is so important, why don't you go spend your time there, and not worrying about me.

[snow85]

snow: the truth is that you never know what can trigger a respiratory event, or when it will happen. don't lie to the navy about it.

if this offends you, and if the comment about a commissioned officer telling a kid to be dishonest, to disregard integrity when entering into a profession where they could easily be responsible for the lives of others in a real-world situation, offends you--

you've got much bigger things to worry about than me.

[TrueAce]

ace-- i read it, but what you don't get is that your 3 years don't matter. there's a policy in place for safety that has been repeatedly violated by your continued employment in that particular position.

if someone had been seriously hurt or had died, what would matter is that the company was negligent. that's it.

the first one the company would have blamed would have been you, since you knew about your problem and didn't disclose it.

that's where it gets really ugly. just fyi.

Snow I'm sorry you still don't quite get it. I disclosed my problem to my superiors because they saw me fail the test. I knew I was going to fail and didn't attempt to try and hide it. They chose not to disclose to coporate headquarters. The GM of our base knew and it wasn't my job to call above him. As I said before it was a new policy put in place after I was on the job a year. They used common sense in that I've never had an accident while other people who passed the plate test with flying colors have had mishaps. I told them I can do everything I need to fine and if I couldn't then I would say hey I can't do this. I was always on time, did my job, was in charge of the other guys my age when the senior guys weren't around. If I was a screw up then I'm sure the failing of the test would have used against me as an excuse to get rid of me.

My point being again.....if the policy was in place before I interviewed for the job I would have never had a shot which is what might happen in my quest of possibly trying to become a SEAL. Now what I was doing and being a SEAL is a completely different although the flight line is a pretty dangerous place to work. Sure, technically my three years don't matter but let's use some common sense. I was on the job three years without an incident clearly proving perfect color vision wasn't required to excel and perform safely. I think that's a little more logical than saying....hmm well you can't see the numbers on these plates so I'm going to dq you. Luckily I still have a chance to pass the falant which I hope for.

[billusn]

Snow, I apologize-Hello.
Now answer the question-were you/are you in the military? If not, what are you doing on a military website? Try facebook or mysapce...

[snow85]

hey trueace--

yeah, i'm not saying that it's your fault. it's the fault of the company. but believe me, if a death happens, some of them show really ugly colors and try to blame employees, even when the company itself violated its own policy. it gets really ugly and super sticky.

the falant-- if you're r/g colorblind, you're going to have trouble. it's a fast moving test, with no time to think about what your answer is. it's at random, and because of that, is essentially cheat-proof. you can't memorize it or fake it.

ps. you may have amber in there, but really for SF, it's not going to matter the way it does for aviators. if i were you, i would go to my doc and ask if he can give you falant or falant-type test. that way you can see what the issue will be.

[TrueAce]

Ya I'm trying to find the falant light test before I even get involved with the navy to see if I have a chance. No one seems to have one. My doctor doesn't have one then I called the eye institute down the road and they're like nope. I'm like wtf. Then I called an aviation medicine doctor I saw while driving around and they're like no we don't have one either. I guess I need to call the FAA or something lol. Maybe I should just go to special ops command in Tampa lol.

Did you read my post about color vision pertaining to night missions and while wearing NVG's etc. It's a long post but if you have a chance you might know about some of the things I mentioned?

[pammy10s]

seriously. if you were commissioned as an officer, how is it that you're advocating that a kid lie during his medical exam?

I didn't lie, and I'm not advocating lying. They didn't ask, and I didn't tell. As I'm sure you know, that is SOP for the military.

[pammy10s]

Lying is never good, but like I mentioned in my post about color vision there are some things that would never affect you if no one knew. Shoulder surgery where the only problem left is a little scar tissue is one of them in most cases. I would rank color vision higher for a dq than shoulder surgery except in maybe spec ops where you're expected to do thousands of overhead log/boat presses etc. Obviously I don't know all the details but I guess it could give out while trying to manipulate the controls or something lol. I mean really do they think it's going to give out while he's flying the aircraft? Are they fearful about an ejection or the g forces if he goes jets? Pammy if you could let us know why they thought the surgery would be of danger to you, the aircraft or people around you it would be helpful.


I don't have a clue what they were thinking at that time, especially since I was able to do as many push-ups as anyone. I think it was just a time when there were a whole lot more people who wanted to be pilots than available spots and they were looking for reasons to dq people.