Accelerade vs. Cytomax

[skullgrinder]

Which one do you think is better and why?

[austinmelville]

That is the last thing you need to be worrying about dude unless you're in an ironman.

[kklingman]

chocolate milk. 3-4 cups after every workout and chug some before bed. you should finish a gallon of chocolate milk in less than 4 days. It doesn't burn a hole in your pocket either.

[austinmelville]

I prefer the snackpack myself.

[kklingman]

haha, the snackpack. i've got a few of those in the fridge.

[Illmaxic]

chocolate milk. 3-4 cups after every workout and chug some before bed. you should finish a gallon of chocolate milk in less than 4 days. It doesn't burn a hole in your pocket either.


RIGHT ON MAN! I keep my fridge stocked at least 2 gallons at a time. Nothing beats it, I mean come on, it's milk, it's chocolate... It's chocolate milk. Has everything that milk has, but is 1000 times better.

[snow85]

i do the moo juice too!

for now, i would stay away from anything with protein _in_ it during a workout. your body already has issues digesting too much, or digesting it at all when your kidneys are taxed the way they are during a workout.

many professional cyclists, for example, who are routinely drug tested have false positives because of increased protein levels in their urine. why? it's how your body synthesizes nutrients during a workout/competition. don't make a workout harder on your body than it already is.

i've been looking but haven't really seen any definitive studies on this yet. until they come out, stick to milk, peanut butter, cuts of lean meat, water, and electrolyte replacement drinks like gatorade and powerade.

[montstar]

sobe life water, it has niacin and other b vitamins

[kklingman]

oooooo sobe, very tasty.

[montstar]

its good stuff, the flavor is above and beyond any other sports drink

[skullgrinder]

I was hopeing to hear some feed back on which one is better from someone who has tried both. As for the Ironman contest mentioned above. I would have to say that BUDs takes the cake. As for any suppliment enthusist, I have tried both but have not taken accelerade long enough to see any results. I do know that cytomax works and from what I see it is cheaper than accelerade. As for your kidneys being taxed after a workout. I have to ask what are you talking about? Unless you are taking creatine or not drinking enough water you should be fine. I am an ISSA certified personal trainer and they never taught me anthing like that during the personal training course I took. And its not that I am trying to call you out or anything, but I am curious where you have heard it. I am just trying to learn here. And if anyone has had any experiences trying both products I would love to hear feedback. I am glad to hear that all you guys need is just lean meat and chocolate milk. But, as for me. I am trying to push my body to the limits for top physical shape. And yes, I already eat lean meat and drink chocalate milk. But, chocalate milk has never help improce my run time like cytomax has. Like I said, I am not trying to start anything. I just want a serious discussion with anyone who else has tried both products.

[kklingman]

i haven't used either. but i've used endurox R4. can't say i saw any big improvements with endurance/times. has anyone seen better results with that ****?

more importantly, what is the point of using cytomax when you're not going to be able to use it at BUD/S? because from what I've been told the only thing you can take is protein powder. By the time you get to BUD/S the effects of cytomax and the improvements you see from it might be gone. Your run times will "go back to normal" so to speak.

[montstar]

when i want to improve my runtime i use a little old fashioned thing called willpower. the human body is a smart thing, by taking a variety of all sorts of supplements you teach your brain to not produce the chemicals, vitamins and amino acids found in these supplements. so when you reach a situation like bud/s, where you may or may not be allowed to use that stuff, you'll be screwed.

[skullgrinder]

I am sorry I will have to disagree with that comment. You can not train your body to produce more things like amino acids, protein, and carohydrates. That is just rediculous. Thats why it is called supplementation. You supplement what your body can't produce enough of naturally. Have you ever heard of essential ammino acids? That is the stuff your body has to have that you can't produce naturally. There are 8 of them. They are valine, methionine, trytophan, theronine, phenylalanine, lysine, leucine, and isolucine. What about carbohydrates? That makes energy. How can your body produce energy? The only thing that it can do that comes close is beak down your fat stores via the krebs cycle. Even then you need enough glucose in your system to do that effectively. Now there are nonessential amino acids such as glutamine. Which you don't have to eat because your body produces a certain amount to some degree. But, it certainly helps with muscle recovery. As for my statement above I will have to agree with you on one thing. Yes, the body is smart. You can get what is called the training effect. Such as you do a lot of aerobic cardio like running. Your body will adapt. On a cellular level your cells can tolerate higher levels of lactic acid and your red blood cells might carry more oxygen. But, that has nothing to do with supplementation. If anything, supplementation will only help improve these processes. Thats where things like the 4 to 1 ratio of carbs to protein come in and help. Like I said, I am not trying to start anything. But, I am looking for an educated formal discussion with anyone who has used these products of has a medicaly based professional opinion on the topic. Please no polotics or personal feelings of why you don't beleive in supplements.

[montstar]

i understand you cant train your brain to produce what it cant, or produce excessive amounts of what it already does. i just warn about the possibility of becoming dependent on such things. i use a few things myself, but used to use alot more.

[skullgrinder]

Also klingman,
as for your question of not being allowed to take the stuff with me to BUD/s. That is not the point. I will not loose my results just because I quit taking the product. It is only if I quit taking the product and quit exercising that my results will drop again. That is like saying that when you quit taking creatine that your strength drops. That is untrue and a popular misconception. You probably will plateau once you quit taking creatine but that does not mean you loose your results. Do you think that all that muscle you just built vanashes with the creatine. No. This applies to all suppliments. And please don't turn this into a creatine discussion board. I was just using that as an analogy to answer klingmans question. Remeber, Accelerade vs. Cytomax. And also, thank you for your reply about the Endurox product. I appreciate the feedback. That is almost the exact same product as Accelerade, It is just made by a different company. That is why I did not put Accelerade vs. Endurox vs. Cytomax.

[kklingman]

you know chocolate milk has nearly the 4-1 ratio of carbs to protein. i think that's why we all drink it. not to mention i received any email from navyseals.com only a few days ago (i think it was titled Navy SEALs getting smarter) or something to that effect. Anyways, the email also said drop the sports drink and pick up the chocolate milk because nothing beats it.

and skull, just for future reference. it's lose not loose. and ridiculous not rediculous. i apologize if the lesson in spelling makes me seem like an *******. i just feel that these are fairly common words that everyone should know how to spell. not to mention there is spell check on this damn thing. If there's a red line under a word it might be spelled wrong! alright i'm done.

in closing, if cytomax works for you and it's cheaper than accelerade then stick with the cytomax. if it ain't broke don't fix it.

[snow85]

i'm not going to really get into this any further, because skullgrinder, i don't really think that you came here for advice.

when you go off the supps, you WILL lose what they've given you.

there are 12 amino acids, not 8, and you can get them from the food you eat, not the supplements you take.

your kidney's are always taxed after a workout. the condition is called proteinuria. it affects everyone who works out strenuously a little bit, but can actually become a condition and lead to kidney failure. why you would want to increase your chances, i have no idea.

that's why, until the medical studies come out, it's a better idea to stay away.

[skullgrinder]

No problem klingman. I know my spelling sux. Oops. I mean sucks.
As for you snow. There are more than 12 amino acids. I was just talking about the 8 ESSENTIAL amino acids. But, I gues you need to reread what I said. As for proteinuria (protein in your urine) I have never heard anything about that. If you study the kidneys you would know that uria is a waste byproduct of your metabolism. It mixes with water and that is how urine is made. I am not going to get into a big discussion on anatomy and physiology. But, Protein in your Urine should be a result of too much protein intake if I am not mistaken. Pleases do tell me snow where you are getting your info. Besides, if it was so dangerous to take Cytomax why would they sell it? Do you know how much scrutiny the supplement industry has been under? Have any of you guys served in the military? Well, I have to go run.
Later

[montstar]

there is such a thing as excess protein in your urine. a few years ago i had to give a urine sample for a DOT physical. when the results came back the doctor said there was excess protein in the urine. i told him a drank a lot of protein shakes, at that time i drank 3-4 a day. he said that doesnt have any affect and the likely cause was a prostrate infection which may or may not have been caused by not drinking enough water.

[billusn]

Although I am new to posting, I have been reading this forum for quite some time, and I have to say that Snow-you seem to know all there is to know about EVERYTHING!!! Do you make this up? Or do you have credible sources that you can quote? I, for one, would appreciate it if you could post your resources so the rest of us can read them. It may be a matter of interpretation.

[snow85]

bill-- i've posted my "credentials" re: medicine NUMEROUS times on this site. i realize that you're new, but with your skippy "you know everything" comment, i'll tell you something else i know:

if you want to know my credentials, use the site search feature.

[snow85]

No problem klingman. I know my spelling sux. Oops. I mean sucks.
As for you snow. There are more than 12 amino acids. I was just talking about the 8 ESSENTIAL amino acids. But, I gues you need to reread what I said. As for proteinuria (protein in your urine) I have never heard anything about that. If you study the kidneys you would know that uria is a waste byproduct of your metabolism. It mixes with water and that is how urine is made. I am not going to get into a big discussion on anatomy and physiology. But, Protein in your Urine should be a result of too much protein intake if I am not mistaken. Pleases do tell me snow where you are getting your info. Besides, if it was so dangerous to take Cytomax why would they sell it? Do you know how much scrutiny the supplement industry has been under? Have any of you guys served in the military? Well, I have to go run.
Later


ay. intelligent thought, people, please.

too much protein, as we've been discussing in the OTHER thread--- had you used the search feature, you'd not be duplicating something that someone else has already posted--

will do irreparable harm to your kidneys. guess what-- it may mix with water, but it still has to pass THROUGH your kidneys to be excreted as urine. you're right, it's a waste product, so why would you want to ingest more protein than your body needs, and do irreparable kidney damage?

info: the medical community, nata, jama, etc. doctors, athletic trainers, my Own education and past profession. you, again, can use the SITE SEARCH FEATURE, and figure this out for yourself.

yes, the supplement industry still hails all things "natural" and they're not under any scrutiny much less the supplement industry, which has no where NEAR the controls of the drug industry.

one more time: until you use the search feature, i'm not answering any more of your questions. this is a duplication of effort, and anything further will be a waste of time.

[amb51385]

to the OP - I'm on the cytomax bandwagon mostly because I found one that I can stomach in quantity over distance (the cool citrus... for some reason the tangy orange **** sux (pun intended) a big one). I don't know that it improves times but I use it during and after a workout to allow me to work out longer and more often (higher longevity/faster recovery). As it works for me I haven't bothered switching to anything else. Prep wise I take a gallon container - fill it most of the way with water and disolve as much of the powder as I can without having any residual on the bottom, then fill my bottles with it and refrigerate them overnight. Vent once in the morning as there will be a bit of pressure built up and you are good to go for the next day. Sometimes there is a bit of nasty looking orange foam on the top - it goes down fine ;)

To billusn - Snow will tell you that she knows everything about anything and that if you have a question use the search function or shove off. While some of it *may* be useful information she is in general a troll here on these forums so use a little common sense before taking her word as final in any instance.

[snow85]

To billusn - Snow will tell you that she knows everything about anything and that if you have a question use the search function or shove off. While some of it *may* be useful information she is in general a troll here on these forums so use a little common sense before taking her word as final in any instance.

i cannot wait to meet you. do you really have nothing better to do than follow me around like the rest of the puppies and try to discredit and badmouth me because YOU are much, much too lazy to use the search feature yourself?

dude, your comments about me are absolutely pathetic, but your insistance on following me around is flattering-- in the creepy, stalker sort of way.

[skullgrinder]

well, I for one am too lazy to search snow. So please, just tell us. Considering what I have posted came out of a personal trainer book written by M.D.s who have P.H.D.s in sports medicine. But, I am sure that you know more than they do snow.
as for the rest of you, thank you for your input. I just wanted to keep this simple. But, as I figured someone trying to prove something was going to come on and ruin the discussion with their political views rather than help contribute to it. So, I am done with this post. Its all yours to finish distroying snow.

[snow85]

But, I am sure that you know more than they do snow.

actually, now i see no reason at all, not even out of the kindness of my cold, black heart.

[scoobydo121]

I like the cytomax myself, besides so what you can't take it during bud/s I like to run triathlons and the cytomax tastes good so it makes it easier to hydrate myself. I'll have to deal with hydrating with regular water when i get to bud/s, but for now why not use something with extra electrolytes and a little bit of lactic acid buffer in it. Remember it pays to be a winner and I'll take any extra help I can get during a race.

[scskowron]

Gotta love NS.com......everything that requires a matter of opinion turns into a personal vendetta.

Anywho, as far as the OP, I can't really make the comparison, as I've never tried Accelerade. I do have an opinion though - that you should definitely not take chocolate milk during a workout. I just don't see the advantage of it. Too thick, not enough dihydrogen oxide, and it's certainly not portable. Try taking a bottle of chocolate milk with you on a long run in the heat and see how that tastes...

Personally during my workouts and my runs I mostly drink water. During the marathon I ran last week I took the Cytomax (ONLY) from the water stations. It was a big risk because I hadn't taken it before, but I ended up finishing the race in great time and feeling pretty hydrated.

One thing you shouldn't do is mix sports drinks and water, nor should you overdo either. If you drink too much sports drink during a workout (or if it is overly concentrated if it was from a powdered mix), your body will not be able to absorb all the carbohydrates and you will likely have a stomachache. Trust me, I've learned this lesson before downing about 64-72 ounces of Gatorade after a 20 mile run in 80 degrees. I was thirsty, but not thirsty enough to spend the next 2-3 hours on the toilet. Another thing you shouldn't do is drink too much water, but that's only in the summer you really need to worry about that. I forget what the condition is called but it's life-threatening. Also you really shouldn't mix water and sports drink during a workout unless it's in small quantities because you might get a "watery gut," which is horribly unpleasant.

As far as after your workout, drink something that hydrates you and eat something that gives you protein. Drinking chocolate milk now is fine. Eat healthy and eat a lot within an hour after a workout. But the hour before a workout you shouldn't really have too much protein as it will not be good for your stomach.

To answer the OP question, drink something during your workout - either water or a sports drink. I wouldn't recommend anything else. I understand some scientific evidence may prove that Cytomax is not as good as Accelerade or that Accelerade is superior to Gatorade or whatever but in my opinion I think the superiority/inferiority of said drinks is negligible to an athlete unless he/she is an experienced athlete who is well in-tune with his/her body.

I recommend you take something that feels good and tastes good, rather than carp over negligible scientific evidence of which one does a better job of sustaining an athlete...

Take this with a grain of salt. I'm not a doctor, and I bet most of you on here aren't either. However this comes from my personal experience and I've added the caveats where I deemed them necessary. Best of luck.