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ThurstonHowell

03-18-2005, 11:08 PM

NSO,

Yes your right. It is totally unneccessary to learn to shoot and dive before BUDS, and will almost definately not make a differnce in wheather one makes it or not. Thats what hellweek is all about. However, the country boys who grew up shooting usually had higher scores and an easier time in marksmanship. And if you were to do a lot of scuba it would probably help you be comfortable in the water, especially if you were to get some of the more advanced scuba quals and did a lot of diving. If you were to do any pistol shooting definately check out IPSC or IDPA. That would definately help you get comfortable and develop good habits including safety. Its "realistic" type shooting and moving. Its not a direct correlation to real worrld but its as close as you can get in the civilian world. Competion IPSC shooters basically define a lot of close quarters type shooting and even get hired out to give a lot of instruction to SWAT/military/spec op shooters. Its a lot of fun as well, but you can't get ****y. You'll see some old fat guy go up to the starting line and you'll think "man there is no way that old fart can shoot his glasses are an inch thick" He (or she) will then proceed to kick your *** and shoot like some dude out of Dodge city. You can find local matches on the IDPA or IPSC websites. Some of the top shooters have videos for sale, if your a real gun nerd they're fun to watch and you can get a lot out of them.

NavySpecOps

03-19-2005, 02:43 PM

Thurston...good advice, thanks. I surf alot so that should help me in the water I would think. With regards to shooting, I'll probably avoid civilian shooting courses and stuff, because for the most part its lazy people that shoot hand guns at paper targets to make themselves feel powerful.

Your right about the good ol' boys who have hunted who get high scores in BUD/S. Personally I've never hunted. But since the SEAL's use more ammunition for practice each year than anyone else (i think), if I make it through BUD/S I'm sure that I will have plenty of oppurtunity to practice. ( :

millerc

03-19-2005, 10:45 PM

However, the country boys who grew up shooting usually had higher scores and an easier time in marksmanship.

Yee haww

nospin29

03-20-2005, 07:08 AM

good 'ol boys, lol. i got my first gun when i was 11 i think. it was a 12 gauge and then the following year i got a .22, and then just last year for my birthday i got a 30-30. the biggest thing about shooting a rifle is to squeeze the trigger, not pull it. and with a shotgun it is better to pull it. all you need for shooting is a steady arm and the ability to know when to take the shot and you'll do fine. i killed my first deer with a 30-30 on youth weekend when i was...10, something like that. 125lb. 4 point buck. it was really just a spike but it had 2 little nubs coming out of the antlers. you dont need some big expensive gun to train your shooting. get a BB gun. we used to play with those all the time when we were little. get like a 10 pump beause some cheap BB guns dont put out alot of force and the BB arcs rather than goes straight

ZeroAll

03-21-2005, 04:53 PM

the biggest thing about shooting a rifle is to squeeze the trigger, not pull it.

Sweet thanks for the advice, I know how to shoot like a pro now!

nospin29

03-22-2005, 01:23 PM

hahaha, i have just upgraded you to expert marksman. no need to take any tests

ThurstonHowell

03-23-2005, 11:47 PM

With regards to shooting, I'll probably avoid civilian shooting courses and stuff, because for the most part its lazy people that shoot hand guns at paper targets to make themselves feel powerful.

no thats not true at all.

lots of cops, some active duty military, many retired, seveal women that just want to better protect themselves.

Its a cool sport, and it requires a great deal lot of practice; I dont know why you would say they are lazy. Besides its very similar to the practice you'll be doing if you make it to the teams; not only that but like I said the top competition shooters are the ones that develop the techniques everyone else uses.

northstar51

03-24-2005, 09:02 AM

i was 11 i think. it was a 12 gauge and then the following year i got a .22,

ya got a 12 gauge THEN a .22? Kinda in reverse dontcha think? imo no 12 yr old should have a 12 gauge, just my o...

you dont need some big expensive gun to train your shooting. get a BB gun

Or you could get a squirt gun OR a nerf dart gun. the SEAL shooting instructors will be afraid to even talk to you then...

nospin29

03-24-2005, 11:48 AM

lol, ya when you are getting mugged, the best thing to do is pull out a nerf gun...scares the **** out of them. no but i got a 12 gauge first because my dad had just gotten into duck hunting and he bought me one so i could hunt with him. then he bought me he .22 for squirrel and cayote hunting.

ZeroAll

03-24-2005, 03:28 PM

You must have really small cayotes there.

blueskies14k

03-24-2005, 04:00 PM

Zero,
A .22 can and will kill just about anything native to N. America.

I don't know why this thread has survived this long.

nospin29

03-24-2005, 05:00 PM

I don't know why this thread has survived this long

hahaha, really. a .22 can take down a decent sized deer but hunting deer with one is illegal just because you need to hit them right in either the liver, or some major artery because if you dont then it wont die and depending on where you hit them it could leave them maimed or crippled. stupid animal activist's get annoying sometimes...

blueskies14k

03-24-2005, 05:19 PM

edit: not BUD/S prep

nospin29

03-24-2005, 05:25 PM

lol, ill give you a million buck if you can shoot a bear in the forehead with a .22 and kill it. you can use 50 rounds if you would like

northstar51

03-24-2005, 05:30 PM

shoot a bear

I'd like to see somebody drop a Kodiak Bear with a .22. In theory anything is possible, but how likely is it in the real world? I'm not challenging anybody here, I'd just like to know how that would be possible...

blueskies14k

03-24-2005, 05:53 PM

Edit---not BUD/S Prep

nospin29

03-24-2005, 06:47 PM

haha, if you are telling me that you shoot them right in the forehead then i am calling you a liar. but if you shoot through the eyes, ears, temple, any place where there's a soft spot straight through to the brain, then yes it is possible. don't try to tell me about butchering...my barn is a big slaughter house but we dont kill the animals. during hunting season we open up and we usually cut up around 300 deer, 4 or 5 bear, maybe 2 moose, a bunch of caribue (spelling?), elk, and pretty much every other wild game out there. when i said you could kill a decent size deer, i meant around 120-130lbs. when you said that some of the biggest deer that you have ever shot, you shot with a .22, that says one of 3 things...

1) either you are a horrible hunter and/or shooter
or
2) you have been paying visits to Santa's Villiage during the summer time
or
3) you hunt in Pennsilvania because the deer there are everywhere and you could walk through the woods blind folded, point the gun in any direction and shoot and you would hit a deer. obviosuly im over exagerating but you catch my drift.

blueskies14k

03-24-2005, 07:44 PM

Edit: Not BUD/S prep

dartjunky

03-25-2005, 01:20 PM

A .22 long rifle will also glance off just about every skull in the jungle, it's illegal to hunt large game with them for a reason, no stopping power and lousy ballistics. A .17 HMR may drop a Deer as well but it's still illegal. Those small rimfire's are considered inhumane to hunt large game with. After 100yds they drop like a rock, and hit about as hard as one.

blueskies14k

03-25-2005, 01:33 PM

Dart,

I am not talking about ranges over 30yds. About the effective range of a bow.

Stopping power isn't an issue when your talking about a head shot.

This conversation is gay and has nothing to do with BUD/S prep.

OddBall

03-27-2005, 05:27 AM

A .22 long rifle will also glance off just about every skull in the jungle,

Dart, Isn`t the AR15 a .22 cal.? When I handled one on a range in NH I found it had no kick,and when I shook it back-n -forth, it rattled too much for my likes. Too many loose parts in there.

Doc76

03-27-2005, 06:55 AM

AR15 is a .223

Doc76

northstar51

03-27-2005, 07:27 AM

Pretty sure Dart meant a .22 long rifle cartridge, not every kind of .22 cal cart....

Gedicks

03-27-2005, 08:14 AM

I'd like to see somebody drop a Kodiak Bear with a .22. In theory anything is possible, but how likely is it in the real world? I'm not challenging anybody here, I'd just like to know how that would be possible...

It's not. I am from the great state of Alaska and can tell you from personal experience that if you go grizzly hunting you better not shoot at that bear with a damn .22! Most smaller guns will just piss it off. There have been guys that dropped them with 30-06's and .300 Mags but it's best to not test your luck with a 12 foot tall grizzly bear. Use something comparable to a 12-gauge slug or maybe a .300 Ultra Mag.

nospin29

03-27-2005, 11:21 AM

man, i saw a picture of this bear, it was either a kodiac or a grizzly, that killed some people. the thing was like 2 stories high when it stood on its back legs and one paw was like the size of a person. the head was the size of a small car...the thing was a monster. i guess when they taste human flesh, thats all the go for afterwords. it killed like 4 or 5 people, something ike that. it showed a guy with the stuffed form of it and he could stand between its legs no problem.

OddBall

03-27-2005, 04:10 PM

Use something comparable to a 12-gauge slug or maybe a .300 Ultra Mag.

Make it a challange, after all, your gonna take its life,....bring your .50 muzzel-loader ! I saw footage of one similar to mine take an adult grizzly off its feet. If you don`t make the shot,...well....

nospin29

03-27-2005, 04:19 PM

bah! guns guns guns...who needs them. just use your knife and your teeth and go at it.

Gedicks

03-27-2005, 04:35 PM

bah! guns guns guns...who needs them. just use your knife and your teeth and go at it.

LOL. Yeah good luck with that one. As far as them eating humans go that's a pretty common misconception. Don't get me wrong they will eat human flesh, but they don't hunt for it. The smaller bears (brown and black) will generally leave humans alone unless you really do something wrong. Grizzlies, however are a whole 'nother story. Grizzlies are mean, ornery SOB's and it doesn't take a lot to make them mad enough to turn you into a meal. There are few people who have been gotten ahold of by a grizzly and lived to tell.

Gedicks

03-27-2005, 04:38 PM

it was either a kodiac or a grizzly

Actually those are one and the same. Kodiak bears are grizzlies that got the name Kodiak from the island they inhabit, Kodiak Island. Which coincidentally is where the newly Tridented SEALs go for cold weather and mountaineer training according to the book "Finishing School".

northstar51

03-27-2005, 07:16 PM

If you want a challenge go after a Kodiak with a bow. Fred Bear did it--but even the great Bear had a couple of guys with rifles posted behind him...

OddBall

03-27-2005, 09:05 PM

If you want a challenge go after a Kodiak with a bow.

No thankx, some how I couldn`t see myself getting Mr. grizzly to pose for that shot.

Doc76

03-28-2005, 02:57 AM

Its easy Oddball, all you have to do is stand upwind with a salmon in your mouth , The bear will stand right up for you, infact hell probablly get close enough for that perfect bow shot, LOL

Doc76

nospin29

03-28-2005, 04:31 AM

naw, im not afraid of any bears. if one comes up to me ill just *****-slap it and tell it to screw off. and if it still comes after me ill do what they did in that commercial and drop kick it in the nuts and pull some kung foo all over his a$$. besides, how much damage could a bear do? all it is is just a big stuffed bear with lungs....right...?

Gedicks

03-28-2005, 07:06 AM

OddBall

03-28-2005, 02:15 PM

The bear will stand right up for you

Maybe if I bite the head off the fish, He`ll think he already ate that one .

Burner1

03-28-2005, 02:16 PM

Oddball,
Forget the samon, just hold nospin over your head. LOL He'll ***** slap him for ya, then when the bear is in his dazed and confused state. You can take your shot! LOL

OddBall

03-28-2005, 02:17 PM

Still laughing !!!

nospin29

03-28-2005, 03:23 PM

naw, ill just sneak up behind him and grab his ankles so he cant move. and then i will pick him up and swing him around and throw him and while he is in mid air you can take your shot, just like skeet shooting

OddBall

03-28-2005, 05:02 PM

and while he is in mid air you can take your shot, just like skeet shooting

I had no idea there were that many great ways to get a good shot with a bow.

northstar51

03-28-2005, 05:05 PM

No no no no. You fellas have it all wrong. What you do with an attacking bear is the same thing scuba divers do when they see a shark: ya stab your trail (dive) buddy and run like hell--all the while hoping your hiking (dive) buddy will be slowed down enough so that the bear (shark) will go after him and not you. That's one thing I've learned from cruising this website...

Burner1

03-28-2005, 05:38 PM

northstar,
You and I will never dive together! just want to go on record with that. LOL

nospin29

03-29-2005, 05:02 AM

"i heard bears are attracted to their periods....they can smell the menstration..."

northstar51

03-29-2005, 08:34 AM

northstar,
You and I will never dive together! just want to go on record with that. LOL

Actually, I'm planning a hiking trip in Alska this summer. Who's with me? everybody who posts here is invited to hike with northstar...

Gedicks

03-29-2005, 04:04 PM

Actually, I'm planning a hiking trip in Alska this summer. Who's with me? everybody who posts here is invited to hike with northstar...

Where at? I could give you some great places to hike. I have been hiking all over AK during the 13 years I lived there. And you never have to outrun a bear, just outrun the person you're with.

ThurstonHowell

03-29-2005, 07:42 PM

this thread has gone from remotely applicable to F***ing stupid.

surf-eater

03-30-2005, 12:47 PM

sh*t i havent read this thread in a few weeks. but i'm sure you know what i mean for taking the course. i read somewhere retired Team guys started blackwater to train civs and law enf, until lately its grown into a f*cking empire. and most of the courses revolved around Team exercises; my point was that maybe a former 3rd phase instructor or Team shooter managed to train that course. which maybe better being trained than being some untalented f*cking deck swavvy who never fired a shot.