I'm very serious about joining the SEALs

[Kilo11_ST5]

I am currently 17 years old , am a junior in high school, and have done extensive research on BUD/S and the SEALs and a couple years ago i decided i wanted to make it a goal to join. I understand that it is not all glory and things like that, if anything its gritty and dirty, but im not worried about it. I have really thought things out and this is what I REALLY want to do. As far as my physical condiotion goes, im 5' 9 150 pds. and im using Stewart Smith's fitness book to help me along. It seems to be pretty good and effective. I also lift weights everyday and play football and run track for my school (SLHS Sentinels!). I'd appreciate any suggestions or anything like that regarding passing BUD/S. And just a question, can one of the SEALs, retired ones, or anyone who actually knows what a "good scores" are tell me if these PFT scores are alright to get into BUD/S?

500 yard swim: N/A to be honest i havent been to a pool for a while but im definately workin on that
pushups: 95
pull-ups: 21
situps: 100
1.5 mile run: 8:36

thanks for takin a look at this, i'd really appreciate it if i could get any feedback on this!

[dknightx]

you claim to have done "extensive" research on BUD/S and SEALs yet your research abilities have proven to be lacking. Use the SEARCH function. A lot of your questions will be answered.

BTW, theres no "secret" to passing BUD/S. You just do it or you don't.

[FutureEnlisted]

hello,
Stew Smith's book tells you the recommended qualifications. somewhere at the back I think. He also lists the best scores he's seen near the middle front section of the book. first 30 pages? not sure


Will

[Kilo11_ST5]

you claim to have done "extensive" research on BUD/S and SEALs yet your research abilities have proven to be lacking. Use the SEARCH function. A lot of your questions will be answered.


thanks for the input and yea i know theres no exact "secret" to passing BUD/S i just meant is there anything better i can do to prep for it so i can pass kinda thing. dknightx, about the extensive research part, i meant outside of the forums (ex. books, internet, etc.) but again thanks for the reply.

Jeremy

[surf-eater]

theyre pretty good for starting out, but they could be alot better.

Did the pft continuous/ perfect form?

[Kilo11_ST5]

Did the pft continuous/ perfect form?


yea i did it continuously with the proper amount of rest time in between each one and i also strived for perfect form with pushups belt buckle/chest hitting the floor each time and situps with arms crossed hands lightly touching shoulders and coming up with elbows hitting my knees. what should i be going for in the way of scores though?

[QuikSilver4]

You're not gonna get any time to rest in between the exercises. When I took my test we did the swim, then had enough time to get dressed for the PT (and it pays to be a winner, first done gets the most rest because they dont move on until the last person finishes the swim), then we did the pushups and situps and then went to the track for the run. If you take it in boot camp they want you to finish and get out of there as fast as you can so you can get back to your division.

[coronadosurf]

In the official test, they will give you the proper rest. It decides if you can enter the toughest training in the world, to become a SEAL, they don't fool around with it.

Kilo- those are good scores. I've been off and on training for awhile, and I've made a lot of progress. With starting scores like that, you should be in good shape for your pst. Cya, I gtg

[Kilo11_ST5]

I went to www.navy.com and looked at the Navy SEAL section of it and it said you swim the 500 yards, get a 10 min. rest, then do push-ups and situps with 2 min. rests inbetween that, then a 10 min. rest before your 1.5 mile run.

[coronadosurf]

You forgot the pull-ups!

[Kilo11_ST5]

Thanks coronadosurf, i'm still training hard and trying to get those scores higher and good luck to you if you're lookin forward to getting into BUD/S.

[Kilo11_ST5]

You forgot the pull-ups!


No its right there under my push-ups. My pull-ups is 21.

[Courtenay]

I went to www.navy.com and looked at the Navy SEAL section of it and it said you swim the 500 yards, get a 10 min. rest, then do push-ups and situps with 2 min. rests inbetween that, then a 10 min. rest before your 1.5 mile run.

Somewhere on here one of the frogs posted that those "rests" aren't really rests. That you are hustling from place to place to do the next thing. So you finish the swim, get dried off, into gym clothes and on to the push-ups and sit-ups. Your "rest" is spent changing out and getting ready.

[Eggscali]

"pushups: 95
pull-ups: 21
situps: 100
1.5 mile run: 8:36"

Those are some pretty good scores..you'll be towards the top of your class if you keep training hard. Especially if you did the run in boots and pants in 8:36. The average pst scores from my class were around 9:55 swim, 80 situps, 80pushups, 15 pullups, and around a 10:10 run.

Not one guy in my class got under 8:45 for the run so you are good to go with running. The fast guys in my class were between 8:50 and 9:30. The majority were around 9:50 - 10: 40 for the 1.5 mile run in boots and pants.

As far as rest goes between exercises..that all depends on where you take your test and who administers it. When I took mine in Guantamano Bay Cuba the Dive Motivator let us rest at least 15 mintutes after the swim and pull ups and wasn't strict at all on PT form. If you take it in bootcamp, which most of you here probably will, I'm sure they will be a lot more strict on time and form.

Looks like you're doing well with your training ..keep it up!

[QuikSilver4]

Well I was sayin how it was for me in Boot Camp, from what I've seen in A School you get a medium amount of rest, but I still don't think you get the 10 minutes between each exercise. Some people that just screened out of A-School told me that they're strict on your form here, belt to the ground and all the way up on situps. A few people failed by a few situps and it was their last week here so they couldn't screen out the next week, which means they probably dropped the program unless somehow they caught a lucky break for a retest (which I doubt).

[Kilo11_ST5]

Ok so it just depends on where I take my PST test right? Because like you said, I'll probably be taking it at boot camp but it shouldnt be to much of a problem. When I did the practice PST scores that I posted, I strived for good form hitting my belt/chest to the floor for push-ups everytime and touching my knees to my elbows on sit-ups. As for the run, yea i ran it in combat boots and pants. I've been running track all my life and I do run everyday so I guess the running shouldnt be a problem either. All in all, thanks for the heads up about the rests though.

[Gedicks]

When I screened at boot they were incredibly strict with form. The first time they saw imperfect form was a warning and they told your counter to deduct ten from your score so far, the second time they told you to stop, subtract another ten, and then they recorded that score. So you could end up doing 62 push-ups just to get the minimum of 42, same with the sit-ups and pull-ups. I remember one kid did probably 15 pull-ups and they counted like 7 of them because he wasn't quite locking out his elbows when he came down. When I screened there were about 40 of us and I think 6 passed and most kids that failed, failed just because of form, not being out of shape. I'm not trying to get you down or anything I'm just saying keep training for perfect form because at boot and "A" school they demand it. Keep working hard and good luck.

[Gedicks]

I went to www.navy.com and looked at the Navy SEAL section of it and it said you swim the 500 yards, get a 10 min. rest, then do push-ups and situps with 2 min. rests inbetween that, then a 10 min. rest before your 1.5 mile run.


Just to reiterate what Courtenay said, don't count on it. We got about 5 minutes after the swim. Just long enough to put on a dry pair of shorts and our socks and shoes. You do get a genuine two minutes between the push-ups, sit-ups, and pull-ups. You will do your push-ups, for example, and then flip over and count for someone else and then do your sit-ups, etc., etc. As far as a rest before the run we didn't get one. As soon as we finished our pull-ups we ran, damn near sprinted actually, about a quarter mile to the track. Now once we got to the track they did give us about two minutes to stretch but that was it. It wasn't like we finished our pull-ups and then sat around resting for ten minutes and then got up to run. So when you take your practice PST try doing it with little to no rest between events. And especially work on your swim. Swimming all out with a sidestroke for 500 yards wears you out a little. You don't realize how that swim tires your arms out until you get to about your 30th or so push-up and then the fatigue hits you. The best way to train for that is to do sets of 100 yard sprints in the pool followed by a set of 30 or so push-ups, some dips, and some pull-ups. That's what me and my buddies did at "A" school when we worked out on our own and it helped tremendously. At dive motivator you don't get a ton of water time just because there's too many kids, you mainly just do PT type stuff and sometimes you run, so get as much water time as you can on your own.

[Kilo11_ST5]

Wow, I'll make sure I do those 30 push-ups every 100 yards when I practice for the swim. Thanks for the feedback every bit helps and believe me I'm still trainin hard and looks like this new workout will step up my fitness that much more so thanks for the info man. BTW are you a SEAL Ge****s?

[Gedicks]

BTW are you a SEAL Ge **** s?


Oh hell no! I am sorry if I gave you that impression. I am just a regular old Gunner's Mate. I want to be a SEAL but I am not currently. I did screen at boot camp but I was unable to get a contract so I am still working on trying to get to BUD/S. The info I put out is just from my own experiences at boot and "A" school and from reading books and researching this forum. I in no way am trying to imply that I am a SEAL. You are more than welcome for the tips and feel free to e-mail me if you have any more questions. My address is in my profile.

[Kilo11_ST5]

Ok just making sure! Thanks again!

[Kilo11_ST5]

I just got my sit-up score up to 105 today! Still busting my *** for the rest of my practice PST's. HOOYAH! I'm starting to really get into the swimming area of things and I am now actually just became a lifeguard at the YMCA but anyways, I was just wondering what are the best kind of fins to practice with to get ready for BUD/S.

[dogballs]

Im glad to hear that you are working hard and i remember how I worried about all this when i was in your position. I just finished BUD/s, you really dont need to worry about the pst, just pass it, your not going to impress anyone with your scores because there have been a ton of people that have done better. Your good work ethic and trying to be the best will help just dont stress every little thing. BUD/s sucks and there is no other way to put it, just keep going when it sucks and never think quitting is an option.

[nospin29]

just finished BUD/s


no sh^t, how was it? Was there anything besides graduation that was awesome or was it just flat out working out the whole time?

[dogballs]

you really dont work out as much as you would think after first phase, we usually had 2 pt's a week in second phase and in third phase we barely had any pt's, except chow pt at the island which you will find out about if you get there. You always have 4 mile timed runs, 2 mile swims and O courses and beatings (room inspection, proctors brief, and any minor screwup). I think a lot of guys think BUD/s is like first phase all the time which isnt the case. You only do boats and logs through hell week after that you wont have to touch them again unless your class really messes up. That said, it doesnt get easier after hell week your body is so broken down and the beatings take a much greater toll. You're also expected to perform better and you are expected to learn and remember procedures, we lost a third of our class in second phase alone. There are some more enjoyable parts of BUD/s, like laguna (land nav) and la posta (pistols) but like everything in BUD/s theres always a way to take the fun out of it. The guys in your class will make it all worthwhile though, it makes the **** ty days worth it and you can always look at the guy next to you and know he's hurting just as bad as you and you can laugh about it later. hope that all made since but you'll figure it out when you get there, thats the only way to really understand, and graduation is different now just third phase instructors, some headshed and your class. The big graduation is after sqt.

[Kilo11_ST5]

Im glad to hear that you are working hard and i remember how I worried about all this when i was in your position. I just finished BUD/s, you really dont need to worry about the pst, just pass it, your not going to impress anyone with your scores because there have been a ton of people that have done better. Your good work ethic and trying to be the best will help just dont stress every little thing. BUD/s sucks and there is no other way to put it, just keep going when it sucks and never think quitting is an option.


Thanks man! Great job on passing BUD/S! Congrats! I'm sure it felt really good to finally graduate. And I really appreciate the advice and help! I'm still haulin ***! Thanks again!

[nospin29]

Congrads on passing BUD/S man, that's awesome. I am so looking forward to BUD/S

[Kilo11_ST5]

Just a question, is the Stew Smith book better to use for training or should i use the warning order for BUD/S? Or does it even matter?

[nospin29]

I heard that the Stew Smiths book will put you in better shape at the end than you will be in 3 weeks into BUD/S. The first thing I am bringing to A School is my Stew Smith book. Complete that and you will be physically ready for BUD/S (or your money back)...haha, couldn't resist, I sound like a fricken sales man

[dogballs]

I used the stew smith book

[nospin29]

How did it work out for you?

[dogballs]

i graduated

[nospin29]

hahahaha, yeah well I guess you have a point there,hahaha

[tingkka]

but what i don't understand about the BUD/S program is that, with the SEAL challange contract, if you fail the PST, don't you end up in the fleet instead of going to BUD/S just like if you were to test in boot camp? what does the SEAL challange program really do for you? i don't quite understand it.

[west43and10]

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what does the SEAL challange program really do for you?

Search and then ask again.

[tingkka]

Search and then ask again.


i did search. It said nothing about getting a SEAL challange contract, then failing the PST. i'm sure if you fail the god-aweful easy PST, then you won't have a physical chance at BUD/S, but i'm just wondering.


when i searched, i only got responses regarding signing of SEAL contact to how stupid some people claim they are for not signing SEAL contract.

so...anyone has the answer to my question?

[west43and10]

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i did search. It said nothing about getting a SEAL challange contract, then failing the PST.

I'm just a wannabe, but I searched for 'Challenge' in BUD/S prep:
http://www.navyseals.com/community/forums/discussions.cfm?forumid=18&topicid=104958&kw=Challenge

would refer you to: http://seal.navy.mil/seal/pdf/contractoverview.pdf
If you would have read it, you'd know.

[tingkka]

oh ok...thanks. actually...i didn't read that. and i searched "SEAL challange contract".

[Kilo11_ST5]

So then which way would be the best way to go? Or is it just by your own personal opinion and how you want to go about getting into BUD/S?

[Gedicks]

So then which way would be the best way to go? Or is it just by your own personal opinion and how you want to go about getting into BUD/S?


GET THE CONTRACT! I didn't and now I am having to go to a ship and then submit a package for BUD/S. If I had taken the SCC I would be at BUD/S right now. It really sucks to talk to all your friends and hear how much "fun" they're having at BUD/S when you know that something small like that made the difference between you being there with them or being on a ship.

[Kilo11_ST5]

GET THE CONTRACT! I didn't and now I am having to go to a ship and then submit a package for BUD/S. If I had taken the SCC I would be at BUD/S right now. It really sucks to talk to all your friends and hear how much "fun" they're having at BUD/S when you know that something small like that made the difference between you being there with them or being on a ship.


Alright thanks for the heads-up because I was starting to think I shouldn't submit a a BUD/S package. So thanks for savin me the grief. Good luck with BUD/S man! HOOYAH!

[pxtjan001]

Dogballs
You sound like you really know what is going on, I have a problem. I want to join the seals, my physical is right for the job; 5.9 foot,180lbs, 6.7% body fat. The fitness is not yet 100% but if notified that I can join I will do the 27week fitness programm. The problem is I come from South Africa (west coast fishing town), I would like advise on how to get green card. The embassy's way to immegrate it basically imposable, will the navy apply for me. Don't worry South Africans are not terrorist we are just a little more rugget and not a lot of manners. I want to join, all the males in my family was in the army. SA's army is not as good as it was in 1994 so please see what you can do for me, will serve your country till death. pxtjan001@mail.uct.ac.za

[Kilo11_ST5]

Dogballs
You sound like you really know what is going on, I have a problem. I want to join the seals, my physical is right for the job; 5.9 foot,180lbs, 6.7% body fat. The fitness is not yet 100% but if notified that I can join I will do the 27week fitness programm. The problem is I come from South Africa (west coast fishing town), I would like advise on how to get green card. The embassy's way to immegrate it basically imposable, will the navy apply for me. Don't worry South Africans are not terrorist we are just a little more rugget and not a lot of manners. I want to join, all the males in my family was in the army. SA's army is not as good as it was in 1994 so please see what you can do for me, will serve your country till death. pxtjan001@mail.uct.ac.za


I don't know if you were talking to me or someone else but I can give you a little advice and help if you need it. I'm not a SEAL so I exact details but I do know some things. About you being from SA... you have to be of U.S. citizenship to become a SEAL (which by the way is spelled with all capital letters). You also need a GED or High School Diploma. Education is the main thing and its where it all starts. I'm a junior in high school right now and even though I keep my level of fitness as high as possible I still try to work hard in school. As for your own personal fitness, I would suggest using Stewart Smith's book to work out with. I can't help you with your green card deal because I'm basically clueless about that one. Hope this helped you out.

[dogballs]

I would contact a SEAL recruiter and find out the deal, im pretty sure you can gain citizenship by serving in the military but im not sure how many years of service it will take. I think you would have to do a few years in the fleet before going to BUD/s. I would go to the official SEAL website and look up a number for one of the recruiters or just email them. They should be able to point you in the right direction. Hope that helped and good luck.

[pxtjan001]

Dogballs

Yes that helps, thanks for your effort. I am in my second year of studying for a chemical engineer at the university of Cape Town if that would make my chances better.