Long Day Challenge (LDC)

[FutureEnlisted]

hey all,
here's the other BUD/S prep event called (LDC). the event director is a retired Ranger. He has a buddy who is a high ranked SEAL officer that let him spectate the first 2.5 days of Hell Week last summer. So now he is simulating Hell Week. this event will last 60 hours of PHYSICAL and pure MENTAL ABUSE. it will be conducted by actual U.S. Navy SEAL instructors and other SpecWar personnel. It will also take place at Virgina Beach, VA. Here is the link: http://longdaychallenge.com
The Teams need more quality guys, this will definitely help us out. Last time I read, almost a month ago, the Teams are under powered. this will help us make it.
Event Date: October 7-10, 2005

For more indepth info, hit the link.


"The leap to a higher level of achievement is brought about under the guiding hand of former Navy SEAL Don Mann, CWO3/SEAL (Ret.), and other Navy SEALs. This team will provide the intensity and leadership to draw out the best from each participant over the course of almost three sleepless days."



Will

[sandfrog]

Future Quote:
"The Teams need more quality guys, this will definitely help us out.", "this will help us make it."


This will not help you make it, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Blow your own money if you want, but don't try and sucker other kids into it too.

[FutureEnlisted]

wha'ts up,
I believe it will help us out. it's obvoius that I don't know how BUD/S is like. I'm not trying to lure anyone into the event, it's up to the people to decide for themselves. Not sure why you're so against these kinds of events. They're only events, only meaning I'm getting from your replies is all money related. I'm not into money. I do appreciate your input since you're a SEAL though.


Will
ADDED: and for your time. It almost sounds like you're trying to speak for "the kids"

[Courtenay]

Why would you want to pay $575 to do this? Personally, I don't get it. Looks to me like some guys got together and came up with an idea to make a buck. My guess is that a bunch of grown men, who never had the balls to actually try and do SEAL training, sign up for this so that they can tell their drinking buddies that they could have handled the training if "they wanted to".........Somehow they think this will prove something.

My opinion does not carry the same weight as Sandfrogs, however, I think it is BS as well, and would do nothing to help you, or anyone else.

[FutureEnlisted]

hello,
If you went to the link, this event is also managed by Don Mann (retired SEAL) he's not fake.


Will

ADDED: the last post is offensive. you just called Don Mann a fake. completely unjustified! If you just gave it a little effort you know that he is REAL! I'll serve it to you with a silver spoon, here,
http://usfrogmann.com/Don-Mann-Bio/index.php
I expected more from the users of thif forum, now to move onward.

Here is the contact info for LDC:

Email: info@longdaychallenge.com
Phone: 410-268-9173

[sandfrog]

Court Quote:
"Why would you want to pay $575 to do this? Personally, I don't get it. Looks to me like some guys got together and came up with an idea to make a buck. My guess is that a bunch of grown men, who never had the balls to actually try and do SEAL training, sign up for this so that they can tell their drinking buddies that they could have handled the training if "they wanted to".........Somehow they think this will prove something."


Yup, it'd be great for that. But for BUD/S prep, it falls way short.

Future_enlisted, if you want to go spend your money on this, go ahead. But don't come on here telling people that it will help them at BUD/S, it won't. Believe what you want, but don't spout it as the truth.

If you told any instructor you spent your money on this "training" they would laugh their asses off and tell you to hit the surf for being such a gullible dumbass.

EDIT: You'll notice that at no point in the linked website does it say that this training will prepare you for BUD/S. This training was designed for the people that Courtenay mentioned earlier.

[FutureEnlisted]

hello,
this is a forum, means opinions. I even clarified and said "I believe it will help us." I'm not passing it as the truth.


Will

[sandfrog]

Futrue_enlisted, your powers of comprehension are on par with a bucket of wet sand. I'll quote myself quoting Courtenay so your puny brain can comprehend the sentence.

Quoted:
"My guess is that a bunch of grown men, who never had the balls to actually try and do SEAL training, sign up for this so that they can tell their drinking buddies that they could have handled the training if "they wanted to".........Somehow they think this will prove something."

Note the words "sign up for" in the last sentence, we were talking about the participants not the trainer you assclown.

[sandfrog]

Quoted from Future_enlisted:
"The Teams need more quality guys, this will definitely help us out. Last time I read, almost a month ago, the Teams are under powered. this will help us make it."


This is not stated as your opinion, this is stated as fact. If I were to say "you are in fact, full of sh*t ", that would be my opinion, as well as a fact.


Quoted from Future_enlisted:
"this is a forum, means opinions. I even clarified and said "I believe it will help us." I'm not passing it as the truth."


Read your own words kid, you're talking in circles.

[FutureEnlisted]

hello,
oops my apologies courtenay. my bad. I'm at work and taking calls at the same time so I have to skim. but no excuses, my apologies.
for the reply of me going through this traning and bragging it to my friends is not my character. I need all the help I can get to make it to the Teams. I can't answer for anyone else who may go through the training. again sorry for my incorrect comprehension.


Will
ADDED: these aren't just "some guys"

[FutureEnlisted]

hello,
It's fact mixed with opinion. now you're just playing around with words. i still believe it will help us. how can it not?


Will

[Courtenay]

hello,
It's fact mixed with opinion. now you're just playing around with words. i still believe it will help us. how can it not?


You are definitely entitled to believe what you'd like. However, this cannot simulate in any way BUD/s training. BUD/s is carefully orchestrated. Everything happens the way it does for many many reasons. The program is tried, and true, and cannot be duplicated. IMO for what is it worth, these mini training programs have been created simply as a way to make money off of people who are fascinated with the whole SEAL mystique. Or to take advantage of young guys like you who want to somehow get a leg-up on BUD/s.

Every SEAL on this board made it through BUD/s training without doing something like that. What it takes to make it through BUD/s does not come from some seminar, but from somewhere deep inside you.

[Courtenay]

After reading this site more, which is not really all that comprehensive as far as HOW the "training" is conducted, I am a bit, no, actually VERY concerned about health and safety. I am absolutely sure they have you sign disclaimers up the wazoo about injury, risks to health etc.

During BUD/s hell week, there is medical staff watching, every minute. These people are trained and experienced in knowing how to recognize signs of dehydration, hypothermia, etc. They also have the ability to handle such ocurrences immediately. Trainees are fed....a lot, to keep up the calories needed to do what is required, the nutritional requirements are important . After hellweek trainees are secured for medical checks, and observation. In addition, the weeks of training going into hellweek, including Indoc, have helped condition each trainee's body to handle the rigors of hellweek. You don't go into it cold.

The reason I am bringing up the medical and health issues, is because you asked how could it NOT help you. Well, how it could HURT you is clear. I cannot believe that they have the staffing that is present during a real BUD/s hellweek. Nor do they have the expertise that those conducting hellweek have. You could sustain an injury. You could become ill. You could do damage to your body that could end your BUD/s dream. THAT is how this training could NOT help you.

If you were my son, (who is a SEAL btw) and you were considering this, I would be jumping up and screaming NO, don't you even THINK about it!!!

[sandfrog]

Yup.

[FutureEnlisted]

hello,
I agree that completing BUD/S comes from truly what you want, I'm just the kind of person that needs an idea of how it's going to be. I think you can never be ready for BUD/S, but you can prepare for it as best you can. IMO the events are the best tools for that purpose.

Will

[Courtenay]

IMO the events are the best tools for that purpose.

Well, it's a darned good thing that I didn't type that novel about safety for your benefit, since you didn't read it.

I did it more for anyone else reading this thread.

Good luck to you.

[blueskies14k]

Future,

I think you have misinterpretted the point Sandfrog and Court are trying to make.

Let me transulate.

If you want to go and do this course--then by all means have a blast. Just please don't think you have increased your chances at graduating BUD/S. These "events" have been around a long time. I have seen them offered as corporate team building skills, and college field trips etc...

There is one major flaw in this. Are you ready?

The event is made for you to pass it. There is no way in hell they are going to let PAYING COSTUMERS fail. BUD/S is designed to weed out those unfit for the Teams. These courses are designed to give you confidence at the end of the day, and the minute you begin to fall back the "mission" changes. Even if you drop out of a run--they will let you continue on with the next event so you get your money's worth.

I know this from experience. One of the companies my parents own sent a bunch of employees to one of these courses. Granted-it wasn't labled BUD/S prep, but then again they were not marketing it to 17 year olds. It was run by a former Team Guy and it lasted a weekend. When Jackie, a 46 year old over weight receptionist, graduated I thought this course was suspect.

Do what you want, but don't be confused by the result. Good Luck Dude.

[FutureEnlisted]

hello,
good point, all I know is that the SAC, he has a medical staff. not sure about how the LDC or ASCOI will work, it's still in the works and I'm hitting him up with this concern.

Will
Added: yes, these kinds of programs are no new news. thanks for the input.

[sandfrog]

Future_enlisted Quote:
"IMO"

'Bout time you added that disclaimer.

[FutureEnlisted]

hello,
didn't know IMO was a disclaimer, everything was a misunderstanding since the beginning, but sounds like everything is straightened out, thanks sandfrog :)
Are there any other SEALs that have their inputs? Thanks for you guys' time.


Will

[bustafood]

Arghhh why did I just read this entire thread...

[NavySpecOps]

Sandfrog, Cort, Bluesky... you guys are sick.

Sandfrog, I sent you an e-mail bout going down to Coronado. just reminding you to check your mail, or maybe you did and didn't feel like replying, watever...

[nospin29]

there are no get rich quick schemes for BUD/S. you can't expect to pass BUD/S on the thought that a year ago you went through this weekend of mildly difficult events. its like passing a quiz with an 80 and thinking that you have already aced the course

[FutureEnlisted]

we basically covered that already, thanks though :)


Will
ADDED: again, it's a simulation, not real. can't compare both, meant to give you a small idea. 60 hours is still a long time.

ADDED2: there are countless stories I've heard and read where the BUD/S trainee says to himself "what was I thinking? what did I get myself into?" this simulation will mimic the real thing as close as possible.

[sandfrog]

Whatever dude, have at it.

[A62]

Whatever dude, have at it.


It's like talking to my 9th graders. You see them "listening" but nothing is getting through. They know it ALL.Bwhahaha

A62 out

[nospin29]

ya, its called selective hearing...or in this case, selective reading