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intrepid_10
02-27-2005, 05:06 PM
I was wondering about the general fitness level of trainees who DOR. I realize that most people simply don’t have the right mentality but it seems like people in this forum are freaking out because they “only have 2 years left to train. Are most DOR’s just unprepared or are they highly trained athletes?
Thanks
FNGSAL
02-27-2005, 05:19 PM
All types of people DOR.....from pro athlete caliber students to your average Joe's
AM-Buster
02-27-2005, 05:31 PM
One of my best friends just DOR'd, the other one passed hell week and should be in hydro-hell week this coming week (HooYah!). I personally have seen my buddy, the one that DOR'd, do over 180 consecutive push-ups. Its all mentallity--at least thats what my 2 friends have told me. Muscle doesn't fight off the incepid cold... ack.
intrepid_10
02-27-2005, 05:33 PM
I guess what I'm trying to say is: "do most DOR's know what they were asking for or do they just try out for the hell of it?"
I guess what I'm trying to say is: "do most DOR's know what they were asking for or do they just try out for the hell of it?"
Great question, because it magnifies the term "DOR".
Dropped by Request mean the trainee requested to be dropped from BUDS training. This is far separate from a trainee being terminated by the Training Staff.
I found most DOR's, assuming they had some athaletic physical ability, just DOR'd because they did not have the attitude to overcome the very severe mental challenges. One DOR, that I had been counseling by email, advised me that I was correct when I advised him that if he expected to not make it through BUDS then he had a real live opportunity in his future to not make it through BUDS. He just expected somewhere along the line to be overpowered by the BUDS Training, and he was, and he DOR'd.
Trainees must realize that BUDS "Can kill me, but they cannot beat me". This is the only level of attitude that will get you through. If a trainee is in expectation of failing, then his expectation will arrive at his discretion.
McCloud
02-28-2005, 09:35 AM
I think Wazz pretty much answered your question, but just in case you want to hear more, this is a topic I posted earlier talking about whether trainiees get dropped from biased selection or from their own discretion. You might want to check it out for the heck of it.
http://www.navyseals.com/community/forums/discussions.cfm?forumid=18&topicid=115903
Out of the 90% that do not make it, what percentage of that 90% are DORs. Can anyone venture to make a guess?
Appreciate it.
Squall
02-28-2005, 02:46 PM
Wazz wow bro, you opened a new door for me. I was told by alot that you should relize that you have a huge chance of failing BUD/s. Recently I have been putting off training because I am sick or its raining outside. I would get this overwhelming feeling of dismay and stress, and this little voice pops in and says "Your lazy you will not make it through BUD/s or You will not complete todays training with full requirements. But I still shut off this little voice and always prove it wrong. The thing I want to know is, are you saying we should be full of ourselves and think highly about ourselves when we get into BUD/s or just have a strong motivational backround of "I swear to god if I quit....wait I wont, or I will die trying"? In no way am I mocking you, that would be the last thing I would do, I just wanted to say this because it just seems like I am. Your buddy,
-Squall
Doc76
02-28-2005, 02:50 PM
Just push yourself ,rely on and help your teammates out and never quit. Good luck man.
Doc76
Squall
02-28-2005, 04:09 PM
Just push yourself ,rely on and help your teammates out and never quit. Good luck man.
Doc76
Great words of advice. Im trainin' hard, and it WILL pay off.
Courtenay
02-28-2005, 06:21 PM
I have had the experience of knowing three DORs.
First, the one I knew through my son. He and my son were in A school together, and SCRUFT duty in Great Lakes together. They trained together, and were friends. Since I live in San Diego I got to meet and talk to this guy several times, and he didn't on the surface seem that much different from my son in his desire to be there, his thoughts about what was going on, or his level of fitness. He DOR'd first night of hellweek. Since he is a corpsman, he detached out to the Marine Corps, and recently completed Recon School.
A second, I met here on NSC in the chatroom. He was in the Navy already, and had gone through the ardous task of submitting a BUD/s packet and getting approved. He is married and has a young daughter. When he arrived in San Diego, I picked him up from the airport and took him over to Coronado. He seemed ready, and anxious, and was mature. Had prepared well physically. He DORd before Indoc was over. I recently received an email from him saying that his wife and family weren't ready for it, and he may try again later.
The third is the boyfriend of one of my students. I had met him several times through her. He entered the Navy on a SEAL challenge contract. Told me he had dreamed of being a SEAL as long as he could remember. He said he trained daily. He looked to be in great shape, and from my few converstations with him seemed very focused and determined. He also dropped during hellweek.
blueskies14k
02-28-2005, 11:29 PM
There is a method beyond the chaos at BUD/S.
There is a reason the best interrogation technique is sleep depravation.
The point is simple. If you survive your first couple nights in Hell Week you are operating on something primal. It has nothing to do with your abilities to rationalize--It has everything to do with your sub-conscious and who you truely are.
If you are not the guy to let his friends down than you have a better shot than the guy trying to reason his way thru. You can't fake BUD/S
Burner1
03-01-2005, 03:28 PM
are you saying we should be full of ourselves and think highly about ourselves when we get into BUD/s
You can be confident in your ability and who you are without being full of yourself. I've found ****y guys tend to be trying to convence themselves as much or more than trying to convence others; about who they are or what they want to be. confidence comes from knowing yourself and your abilities..its not an attitude. Its just who ya are...Learn who ya are, prepare the best ya can for whatever challenge lays ahead and then concour that challenge. Failure and loosing is a habit and not an options that should even enter your mind. It only exist if you allow it! Remember, CAN'T never did anything... that word shouldn't exist in the english language...
Wazz wow bro, you opened a new door for me. The thing I want to know is, are you saying we should be full of ourselves and think highly about ourselves when we get into BUD/s or just have a strong motivational backround of "I swear to god if I quit....wait I wont, or I will die trying"? Your buddy,
-Squall
Your words are nearly correct.
I have never met a successful person who did not have a firm ego, coupled with humility. The ego pushes you. The humility tells you when to moderate your ego.
Courtenay
03-02-2005, 08:37 AM
The ego pushes you. The humility tells you when to moderate your ego.
Wazz. I like this, can I use it???
SENNA
03-02-2005, 11:23 AM
The point is simple. If you survive your first couple nights in Hell Week you are operating on something primal. It has nothing to do with your abilities to rationalize--It has everything to do with your sub-conscious and who you truely are.
Wow , Same principle that make someone leap into a flaming building to safe another man life and another man to freeze and do nothing. Can you then say; that it's genetic? You have in you or you don't and no amount of push-up will change this.
You flee or fight according to what is program in your sub-conscious.
Then how could you trick your sub-conscious to succeed?
Good luck in your training. All you guy are a insparation to me.
AM-Buster
03-02-2005, 03:06 PM
To say its genetic is a cop-out. In fact, its almost insulting to say that the men who pass through BUD/S suceeded simply because of their genetics. I doubt to many of the SEALS while they were freezing in the water or were being beat down during hell week were having a very good time. I doubt many of them looked forward to log PTs. I hardly call it genetics, but rather, it is most like the poetic struggle between man and his inner-self. Man wants to give up, but his inner-self pushes him forward to suceed.
The ego pushes you. The humility tells you when to moderate your ego.
Wazz. I like this, can I use it???
Anytime. For you anything.
To add validity to the words, I studied Industrial Psychology for years as a deep avocation. I found the words I used above to be true. Often people equate the term "ego" with arrogance. Arrogance is when one does not have humility to temper one's ego.
chrisgeisel
03-03-2005, 10:23 AM
Here's another quote you might like:
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." -- Aristotle
It's not training on the days you feel great that's important, it's training on the days you feel like quitting. Based on what I saw in the BUD/S documentary most, if not all, of those guys felt like quitting at some point during the training. But some gave in to the feeling, and some had the habit of ignoring that feeling.
NWNavyMom
03-30-2005, 09:46 PM
. Arrogance is when one does not have humility to temper one's ego.
I studied Industrial Psychology for years as a deep avocation.
...and he is a philosopher as well! Nicely put Wazz. Reminds me of "A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pitchers of silver" Proverbs 16:24 One of the benefits of 'perusing the posts' is discovering such gems. Its not all hype and senseless verbose out there!
Hope things are going well with you and yours.