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JackalofDeath
02-16-2005, 08:20 PM
Two years ago, I wanted to be a seal. Today, I don't. Here is how it happened.


My recruiter in Burlington NewJersey royally screwed me. You see, I was a dire-hard seal wannabe. I would train day after day. I would do about 6 miles a day, 300/300, pullups, the works. Atleast it was enough, to be fit to get through bootcamp and hope to get into BUD/s.

Well after working my butt off, getting straight A's in highschool while still keeping with my PT. Outdoing marine wannabes in PT. Graduation went by fast, and my date came to ship through bootcamp. I never really paid much attention to the benefits of DEP, I just wanted to be a SEAL. I didn't know jack about the history of the navy or the random information they require you to memorize to get your book signed off to up in rank.
(here is a little something, rank means very little in the navy, unless you are E-6 and above)

So it was my day to ship to bootcamp. I was going to fort dix, I stayed overnight at one of those MEPs hotels. I was a vegan at the time, and gave it up right there and then , knowing I would have to start giving up a lot of things to be what I wanted to be. I was kind of disturbed how my roommate I was stuck with during the MEPs hotel stay was on drugs, the night before he'd obviously do the drug test. I think he said it was acid he was on. He carried around a jug of water like the drugs wouldnt be found in his system if he flushed it out, the night before.

I stayed up all night, talking to my girlfriend over the phone. Considering I wouldnt be able to talk to my girl for months. I had about 15 minutes sleep before we got our wake up calls.

After all the eating/getting into MEPs, we started getting our examinations. It was an assinine proceedure. But my recruiter assured me I would get in with no problems. He had everything taken care of. Well, you know how recruiters are. They stopped me from shipping to bootcamp because of medical reasons. Acne.

Now after all that, I was severly ticked off, and explained one of the navy reps at meps that my recruiter told me I would have no problems getting in, and that I obviously did. The recruiter got in trouble, I was yelled at over the phone by his LCPO. And my recruiter was told by his LCPO to leave me at a random gas station out of the way.

Conveniently my recruiter was nice enough to not do as his LCPO said, and he dropped me off at my house and told me to think about whether or not I should keep trying to get into the Navy.

I decided not to, for the time being. Because mainly the doctor at MEPs said I would have to wait 3 to 4 years before even thinking about going through MEPs again.

After about 4 to 5 months of going to college and feeling like accomplishing nothing. I felt like I was going nowhere. And luckily a navy recruiter called, and He didn't seem to be such a BSing liar as my first recruiter.

After another month or so, I was able to enter MEPs once again. But this time, I just wanted to get in, because ive been waiting so long to get in. I was officially screwed out of any and all benefits upon joining, and I did not get the same job pick as I first selected the first time through meps. Instead I was given a much simpler rating. EM.

I did not care at the time. Boy, I should have. 5 to 6 months later, I joined the navy. I went through MEPs. This time I did not have a girl to be talking on the phone with. I didn't have the initial motivation I had in the first time. It seemed almost routine, because I was not even sure I was going to get accepted into the Navy again.

I was accepted. I got into bootcamp, it seemed like childsplay. Maid bootcamp we all called it. The only problem was getting qualified into BUDs. Because of being in an integrated division , we had females that were always too slow to keep up. They kept us everytime from being allowed into stroke development.

I did not pass the swimming portion, which is the first portion of the BUDs qualifier. After that you do pushups, then running then pullups. I never had a problem with swimming, it was just my condition at the time. They called it the rickie crud. Everyone would be sick once in bootcamp, solely because of massing so many people together. The only times I was allowed to try to qualify were those times. I would be on my hands and knees vomiting after failing out of the qualifer on the first step. I barely had enough energy at the time to keep myself up in the water in my condition.

I dropped the seal program after never passing my qualify, luckily I did not fail all the times and luckily I atleast tried. Because here is a little tid bit they don't tell you when you are signing up, If you do not try for BUDs when in bootcamp. Or you fail all your tries , you are immediately stripped of your rate and put in Seaman ATD. Which is the bottom of the barrel for rates. You are basically a deck swabber then.

3 people had their rates taken away in our devision because of this. We had about 6 or 8 SEAL wannabes. No one passed the qualifications. It wasn't that it was hard, we had someone who was actually trained by 2 SEAL members before entering bootcamp and he still did not pass. He went delusional and was going around telling people how he passed and was making up the story of how he failed. When everyone know he was with us when we had to drop the seal program, he was there signing the same paperwork.

I am kind of glad I did not pass qualifications into BUDs, because the image they have in publicity isn't what they really are. It isn't a matter of "are you seal material" its a matter of "how bad do you want to be a seal". for me it was just a pipe dream I was trying to achieve.


that was my story, and here are a few tips:

Pullups. They are what everyone fails at in qualification. The running , pushups, and swimming are nothing. Its the last step. So you are exhausted when trying to do the pullups, because they are right after pushups. You are required to do around 13 pullups, knuckles facing you. The harder style, not the easy kind.

The swimming: Pray to god you are not in a integrated division, and GO TO STROKE DEVELOPMENT. It is there for a reason. I probably would have gotten farther if I had made it to those classes. And don't be afraid to see if you can work a schedule with your chief. They are nicer and cooler than they seem.

pushups and running: that's the easy part.


Anyway. I might get unruly responses because of this. Oh well.

blueskies14k
02-16-2005, 09:08 PM
Jack-off-breath,

After reading the "loser manifesto" you so proudly wrote here, I still can't see how any of this makes you the victim. Just because you couldn't hack it, or you werent motivated enough doesnt mean the system as a whole is corrupt.
What is the point of your "little story". I think you will be hard pressed to find any sympathy here, especially from the Team guys. After all, you summed the reputations of the Teams up to a farce--i think. (it's hard to tell with levels of expression beyond those of my limmited realm)

You wrote "I am kind of glad I did not pass qualifications into BUDs, because the image they have in publicity isn't what they really are. It isn't a matter of "are you seal material" its a matter of "how bad do you want to be a seal"

Well maybe you are not SEAL material, because you didnt want it bad enough. It is convenient that you were sickly everytime you had a shot at trying out. Everybody always looks at themselves in a different light than reality. Are you trying to say you could have graduated BUD/s? I would have to give you the odds of lighting some wet matches in a wind tunnel.

I'm sorry that you are a pimplely, brick style swimmer, but it's not the Navy's fault.

As far as your tips are concerned--you forgot the main one. Don't be a loser. or howabout-- Don't enlist to impress your girlfriend. or maybe--- the statement "I always win when I wrastle with my 'pal' Steve" doesnt mean you have what it takes.

blueskies14k
02-17-2005, 02:03 AM
3 people had their rates taken away in our devision because of this. We had about 6 or 8 SEAL wannabes. No one passed the qualifications. It wasn't that it was hard, we had someone who was actually trained by 2 SEAL members before entering bootcamp and he still did not pass.


It wasn't that it was hard????????????? hmmmmmmmm---So what was it then? Kind of left me hanging here. Was the problem with you? Or, did "they" sabotage you?

There are a couple of pretty good guys here that really want to be SEALs. There are also a couple of Team Guys here who want to help these dudes become SEALs.

The entire point of this forum is to help people prepare for the grueling road ahead, and to help them get conditioned to absorb some of the shock.
If all goes well, they won't be back next year writing to us about how unfair the world is.

If you really wanted to become a SEAL, there is tons of literature on how to prepare. Even 10 years ago there were books and articles--even the recruiters have the Warning Order. There is no excuse for not passing the qualifications with such low minimums unless you are an amputee.
What made you want to go to BUD/s?????

future_frogmanstudd2
02-17-2005, 03:13 AM
JackalofDeath wow were in the hell did you get your B.S.A (bull-sh!t artest /schooling)?. I can believe you even were in boot-camp,you sound fake as a three dollor bill...


3 people had their rates taken away in our devision because of this. We had about 6 or 8 SEAL wannabes. No one passed the qualifications. It wasn't that it was hard, we had someone who was actually trained by 2 SEAL members before entering bootcamp and he still did not pass.

Had their rates taken away?I think you had been playing pocket pool while you wrote that....If you fail BUD/S or whatever you take up a job in the rate you went to A school for,not have it taken....Before you go talking sh!t about your "experience" read what you put and tell the truth.....

RatedM4Life
02-17-2005, 08:08 AM
How bad was your acne? That doesn't sound right that you wouldn't be allowed into the Navy. I mean most men in their late teens, and early 20s have some sort of acne at one time or another. There must be something else your not telling us.

dknightx
02-17-2005, 08:24 AM
The "acne" was probably located on a more "private" region.

Courtenay
02-17-2005, 08:32 AM
Jackal, you are bitter. Too bad, you are much too young to be *****ing like an old woman about what should have been. Thing is, you would never have made it through BUD/s if you let yourself get frustrated that easily and quit. You are a quitter and want to blame everyone else. If that made you mad, sorry. But it is the truth.

Burner1
02-17-2005, 09:21 AM
First off, Court

Love the sexxxy avator! I know how ya love to Salsa..is that a pic of you..oh, wait..let my imagination run wild...(wink) LOL as far as this kids story. I hope he learns to stop blamming others and take responsibility for his own actions.

JoD, anyway you slice it. You failed, there is nothing else to say..For whatever reason. you didn't make the cut. I hope you can make the most of your time in the Navy and relise that being bitter and placing blame on someone else for your failures doesn't solve anything and will get you nothing but more failure in the end. Only by seeing weakness in ourselves can we begin to attack the problem and over come that weakness, whether it is mentally, emotionally or physically. Placing blame, only passes the buck and allows people to continue in a negative way. Winning and achieving goals starts in your head and your heart. The physical is only a small part of life..No matter what your doing. An indominable spirit and strong mind is the key...You can blame others for your own failures if you want, but your only lieing to yourself and that leaves you with no where to grow and become better than you are...Which makes for a very long and bumpy road ahead...at least have the balls to stand up and say ya know what..I f*cked up and didn't work hard enough..at least that gives ya hope of working harder and maybe one day achieving your goal. Quiting is admitting and giving in to hopelessness and that is just..Well, unexceptable...what hope can you have in yourself...if you can't do that..I guess, I just don't get it!

JackalofDeath
02-17-2005, 06:50 PM
Wow, I expected mature responses. I guess I was misguided at the professionalism on this site.

I did not claim a lot of things you people are saying I claimed.. I don't know how many of you actually are in the navy or not. And itd help if you were, you'd say so. Because it looks many of you are misinformed. I went through it, I had bad luck. I was too weak to be swimming in my condition and i failed the qualifications. I did not say I was sabotagued. I did not say the world was against me.

Actually there isn't things I haven't been telling you. A lot of us at MEPs were denied into the armed forces because of assinine reasons, such as earwax in your ears. I had to come back 2x because of earwax in my ears. The doctors were so anal with their inspections at Fort Dix that if they could not see the back of your eardrum you would be denied access.

My recruiter had a bag of q-tips solely because most his recruits would be denied for this stupid reason. I had acne on my upper back. I was a teen, still am. My dad who served in the marines, has the same skin condition.

As for responses by "Courtenay" "dknightx" and "blueskies14k" I won't even bother to respond to. You aren't mature enough to even be in these forums.

The point of this topic was to show people how screwed up things can get for you in the navy.


"future_frogmanstudd2" : Future Frogman? So you aren't in the navy yet? I have my military ID card. Do you? I'm in a military base right now, not sitting in my home making smart *** comments because you think you are seal material. Next time you go to MEPs, specifically ask about the contract, whether or not you will lose your rate if you fail all the qualification times, or if you do not try the qualification. See what they say. I guarantee you I am speaking the truth, because I watched 3 people from my brother division get knocked down to seaman ATD. If you do not know what that is, you get not even a month of training because they send you to a ship to do grunt work.

I never blamed anyone else for my failures. I told you how my first recruiter set me up for failure; like most recruiters, he told me to lie straightout through my entire entrance examination about my history.

In our division, we had a person who could not even speak english end up in bootcamp. How he got through I do not know, but he was taken out within 2 days. They have a specific program for people who cannot speak english, right in bootcamp because they are used to this happening.

As for anyone else who isn't in the navy. You do not know how screwed up it is right now. Did you know if you have a contract which says guaranteed A school, it means jack?

Most fireman rates (which I belong to) have had their A schools completely removed, and replaced with a 3 month school called BECC. Basic Engineering Common Course. I have my 3 diplomas to show for it. One is the DC school , which is about 1 month and now considered the DC "A" school. I have the BECC diploma, which is around 2 months. It consists of 3 books you go through, and get thoroughly tested on them. It is the basic qualifications for the fireman rate. And What they call EM "A" school is actually a 2 week computer-based program called ATT. I have a diploma for that too.

We have petty officers who assure us on a daily basis that NTC is jacked up. And that we are screwed.


As for this being a beacon of "hope" for those trying to get to BUD/s? No it is not, I know its not. Its the truth of what is happened right now with the NAVY. And I'm here to post about this, so people can honestly consider their options. And not find out about this the way I did. Not by walking up in your barracks, being promised an A school, getting jack squat and being told you are screwed from Day 1.

As for anyone that wants to argue and say I am wrong. Go ahead, join the navy. Because I know none of you are in the navy yet. Just by your uninformed responses.

PHW
02-17-2005, 10:05 PM
Man, that's **** ed up that they made you switch ratings. It sounds like they screwed you there.

However, I think you probably screwed yourself on the PST. I've read in several places that you first take the test in the first week of bootcamp. You must have not been in shape. You lost your dream and gave up hope before you even went to boot. It sucks that the doctors can deny you for petty things like earwax, but you shouldn't have given up your dream if you really wanted it. I imagine that the hardships you have to endure and the problems you face in BUD/S are far worse than cutting through some red tape to enlist.

But dude, you were a vegan? No offense, but that explains a lot.

future_frogmanstudd2
02-18-2005, 04:13 AM
As for responses by "Courtenay" "dknightx" and "blueskies14k" I won't even bother to respond to. You aren't mature enough to even be in these forums.

The point of this topic was to show people how screwed up things can get for you in the navy.


"future_frogmanstudd2" : Future Frogman? So you aren't in the navy yet? I have my military ID card. Do you? I'm in a military base right now, not sitting in my home making smart *** comments because you think you are seal material. Next time you go to MEPs, specifically ask about the contract, whether or not you will lose your rate if you fail all the qualification times, or if you do not try the qualification. See what they say. I guarantee you I am speaking the truth, because I watched 3 people from my brother division get knocked down to seaman ATD. If you do not know what that is, you get not even a month of training because they send you to a ship to do grunt work
Hey jackle of sh!t,get ya lame@ss head out of your @ss and think about what you just said to CORT, BLUE, AND DKNIGHT.......Proves your so full of sh!t......As far as being in the NAVY Ya iam so take ya keyboard and shove it up ya @ss.....Man people like you really piss me off.....

"The point of this topic was to show people how screwed up things can get for you in the navy."
BUZZ wrong it was so you could vent.......
I dont give a rats @ss what you went through man cause thats you, if we had to listen to all the bullsh!t wimps that cant take military life then this site would die....Nut up and take what comes or your just gonna live the life of a "could have " "should have" ,.....And I dont buy your long and boring story of how you were jacked by the NAVY,your probley not even in the Military,pro just another FAKE....

Courtenay
02-18-2005, 07:44 AM
As for responses by "Courtenay" "dknightx" and "blueskies14k" I won't even bother to respond to. You aren't mature enough to even be in these forums.

Aw, thanks. That means so much coming from someone with your obvious maturity and worldly knowledge.

As for anyone that wants to argue and say I am wrong. Go ahead, join the navy. Because I know none of you are in the navy yet. Just by your uninformed responses

My son is in the Navy. I was married to a man in the Navy. Both found the Navy to be everything they wanted it to be, and everything they MADE it to be. Just because you couldn't make a go of it, doesn't mean no one else can. It's time for you to take a really close look at the man (I use the term man loosely here) in the mirror. Your problems are your OWN fault.

McCloud
02-18-2005, 09:26 AM
Jackle set up a profile, I want to shoot you an e-mail. Ask you a few things.

sandfrog
02-18-2005, 06:27 PM
Jackass of death,

You are a tool and your story's bogus. Goodluck with the paint chipping.

surf-eater
02-18-2005, 06:32 PM
No one read that sh*t above; quiting is infectous

Burner1
02-18-2005, 09:42 PM
Jackass of death,

You are a tool and your story's bogus. Goodluck with the paint chipping.

Sandfrog thats cold, but funny as hell....Those six month float trips are going to be fun for him....LOL

Doc76
02-19-2005, 05:07 AM
Man you must go through a hell of a lot of cheese with all that whine. Boo hoo wah wah. I think I feel a tear. whoops sorry false alarm. Post a profile when your done crying.

Doc76

Syc647
02-19-2005, 10:01 AM
I am not a SEAL, but i am in the Navy, i went to bootcamp with the SEAL challenge contract, and a guaranteed A school. I passed the pft, went to the ATT that you talk about at NTC, went to my A school, and now am at BUD/S. There is no catch. You said that you Dropped the program, and did not take the PFT all 3 times that you are allowed, that is quitting, you can make no excuses about being sick or anything else, if you were sick, and you should have been able to pass even if you were, then you had 2 more chances to pass before your 5-4 day of training. The SEAL challenge contract is everything it is supposed to be, it is a guaranteed chance to take the SEAL PFT, that is it. Everything has worked out the way it is supposed to for me and 6 of my buddys who did the same thing. You are just a quitter looking for excuses like everyone else said. There are alot of people that take the SEAL screen test at bootcamp and fail all 3 times, there was a guy at my A school that did, he accepts that he was not prepared and has been working out everyday to try and get in shape, so in 1 year he can apply for BUD/S, but in the mean time he will be on a ship, like you. If you wanted to be a SEAL, you still could try, but you obviously dont want it, and you would have to wait 2 years since you are a quitter. I have met dozens of people like you while in the Navy, im sure you tell everyone how you got screwed and how you were going to be a SEAL, just remember that everyone you tell this story, family, friends, or shipmates, whether out loud or not will be calling bullsh*t. You are a disgrace to the yourself, the Navy, and your family. I have recieved some good advice so far in my training, Own up to everything that you do, Always tell the truth, and never ever make excuses.

Wetwash
02-20-2005, 10:08 PM
Sounds to me like a "Trident" wannabe...but not a SEAL wannabe...LOL

NavyMA1221
08-06-2007, 11:18 AM
Sounds to me like a "Trident" wannabe...but not a SEAL wannabe...LOL

well put, but i would say he never really wanted it. I think he told every one he knows that he was going to be a SEAL as a way to make him self sound more badass... then when it came time to do it, he had to come up with a good excuse as to why he was not allowed to do it... that way he doesnt look like a wus.

"(here is a little something, rank means very little in the navy, unless you are E-6 and above)" sounds like something a disgruntled Seamen RECRUIT would say...

MA3 Out