View Full Version : Are You Using The Right Attitude?
USMC_Steven
02-09-2005, 10:09 AM
I’ve been studying the attitudes a lot of kids and especially teenagers visit this site with and evidently I see a lot of apologies for misgiving wrong intentions from THEIR point of views they were hoping people would take. Before they attempt to post anything they read the style and method of communication most of the adults and military personal of this site use and they see a lot of bold, hammering, rough talk.
They see the pride that these soldiers take; they see how people look up to them and these kids and teenagers consistently express how much of an honor it would be for them if they were to become one too. And as we all know, the examples we set for these younglings always take its tolls!
I’m regarding this message for you kids and teenagers only. Plain and simple…you can’t mimic the same attitude; it’s too unique and its prestige is a mood you’ll never be able to follow up with by choice. The only way you’ll be able to take the same level of communication is by joining the services to develop that bold attitude!
You needn’t come in here and attempt to express how tough you are and that you wont take no crap from nobody! The only thing you should do is be polite, show respect and ask the question that’s on your mind as long as that question regards the topic of the forum!!! And you DON’T have to give us your life story to ask a question!
The men and women of this site are growing tired of having to tell you younglings to “knock off your uncouth behavior and be polite”. Just remember you simply can’t no matter how hard you try…you’ll never be able to mimic the attitude of these warriors!
Gunny out
Couldn't have said it better, Bro ... **two thumbs up**!
Swift_Precision
02-09-2005, 04:48 PM
It's not that the kids "mimic" the "attitude" displayed by the Real Deals but that they lack the proper discipline on how to express themselves when they come to a site such as this. Furthermore, it doesn't take military training to develop a "bold attitude" however it may take some training to instill certain levels of discipline. For the most part I understand what you are saying; the kids on this sight aspire to be what only few men have accomplished and in holding true to their aspirations they may get a bit rambunctious, but I believe that the "attitude" that you refer to is the pride that these warriors feel because the attitude of these gentlement is that of a professionalism that can only be attained through the type of work that they do. Also, attitudes may differ from person to person depending on personality types. This is a very good point you brought up and I am glad you are trying to make others aware of the situation.
Swift
blueskies14k
02-09-2005, 07:32 PM
Couldn't have said it better, Bro ... **two thumbs up**!
Up where????
Oh wait--I'm sorry---am I being one of those kids?
Maybe it comes across as a bad attitude because they havent suffered enough to develop a good sense of humor.
Up where???? Oh wait--I'm sorry---am I being one of those kids?After viewing your profile, and reading your answers ... I'd say YES!
blueskies14k
02-09-2005, 09:01 PM
After viewing your profile, and reading your answers ... I'd say YES!
Of course you would comment on this and not the crux of my reply. It doesnt suprise me that you would miss the point. Did they use your head as an entry tool?
My profile---hahaha. Well, I guess you know all there is to know about me now. The jig is up!!! I have been discovered.
Have a beer and relax dude.
I didn't miss any point "Dude" -- after a few beers and re-reading your comments, I stand firm on my answer ... obviously, you've been using the wrong tools.
I didn't miss any point "Dude" -- after a few beers and re-reading your comments, I stand firm on my answer ... obviously, you've been using the wrong tools.
Hehe, hey Top, Ah do believe the youngster needs a bit of ET. Too bad they don't do KP anymore. He could do "pots and pans". It always amazed me how many pots and pans those cooks used.Bwahahaha For the uninformed, KP=a long fing day.LOL
A62 out
future_frogmanstudd2
02-10-2005, 06:23 AM
ORRAAHHH USMC great point.......
USMC_Steven
02-10-2005, 09:35 AM
but I believe that the "attitude" that you refer to is the pride that these warriors feel because the attitude of these gentlement is that of a professionalism that can only be attained through the type of work that they do.
That's exactly what I'm talking about!
Furthermore, it doesn't take military training to develop a "bold attitude"
I guess I left out several characteristics describing the means of the attitude I was referring to!
Thank you for your support on this one; I’ve got a feeling there are still too many eyes that need to be opened; I just hope people take the time to read it!
USMC_Steven
02-10-2005, 09:57 AM
Oh wait--I'm sorry---am I being one of those kids?
Maybe it comes across as a bad attitude because they havent suffered enough to develop a good sense of humor.
I see a much bigger problem, hummmmmmmm........not a kid, but with a problem that's not on anybodys list of finding a thrill. Why do you seems so interested to where E8MC is sticking his thumbs???
I'm $hitting with you Mike. Read my first post on this topic again and I promise once you put ALL the peices of the puzzle together, you'll see its picture...hopfully!
And it is a serious topic so I would appreciate if you wouldn't play games about it and lend a little support, other wise -don't leave any remarks! For an adult, maturity should be your number one priority! Do you remember my comment on the examples we set for these younglings always takes it's toll?
Hehe, hey Top, Ah do believe the youngster needs a bit of ET. Too bad they don't do KP anymore. He could do "pots and pans". It always amazed me how many pots and pans those cooks used.Bwahahaha For the uninformed, KP=a long fing day.LOLDamn -- haven't been called Top in so long...LOL...yeah; either KP or Guard Duty in Alaska would wake 'em up.
some people cannot comprehend the difference between a "bold attitude" and a "bold lifestyle".
one you can just make up, the other you have to live, eat, breath, and sleep it.
rm sends
blueskies14k
02-10-2005, 02:19 PM
Normally I refrain from getting serious on this forum, but I dont like being misuderstood.
I dont give a bucket of piss about boldness. Maybe you meant something else, but didnt express yourself correctly---I do this alot, but I will try to be clear on this one.
If what you really meant was character, then I absolutely agree. You will not find true and genuine good character very often---especially in my generation. If you think the military is the only place this character is forged then you are absolutely mistaken. I am sure even you would agree the military has a lot dirt bags.
How do you develop character? Only one way that I know---thru suffering. Nobody ever learns anything about themselves in the good times. How can you appreciate the good times when you don't know the first thing about the bad times? People around you mean a little more when you lose a few of them. You are able to laugh the little sh^t off when you have lived thru sh^t worth crying over. You will learn who your friends are very fast when the girls stop laughing and the beer stops flowing and y'all are willing to sacrifice for one another because the sh^t hit the fan.
I know plenty of "bold" people. I see them every day at the bars or out on the streets. I would like to take a bat to the heads of these "bold" d^cks. I'll take a humble person with unwaivering character over these other jackasses any day.
As far as humor----true sense of humor comes from character. not this slap stick silly bullsh^t.
USMC_Steven
02-10-2005, 07:35 PM
If what you really meant was character, then I absolutely agree.
I ment certain characteristics pertaining to an attitude! And this once again goes back to what Swift_Precision was helping me describe by as a professionalism that only develops by the type of work they do and the military's infantry isn't your common job!
I am sure even you would agree the military has a lot dirt bags.
As much as I don't want to, I too stand next to the shoulder on that one! (But I'll keep my personal reasons on that one to myself.) The only thing I learned from suffering is humility.
Nobody ever learns anything about themselves in the good times. How can you appreciate the good times when you don't know the first thing about the bad times? People around you mean a little more when you lose a few of them. You are able to laugh the little sh^t off when you have lived thru sh^t worth crying over. You will learn who your friends are very fast when the girls stop laughing and the beer stops flowing and y'all are willing to sacrifice for one another because the sh^t hit the fan.
hummmmmmm......there's a big difference between knowledge and wisdom..... oh hell -I'd buy you a beer for that one! That was very noble of you! Reality was always my biggest adversary; I have to fight it everyday! As far as character.. Character develops from ones entire life style! There is good character and there is bad character and all the $hit in between!
As far as this bold thing, I left out a lot more than that; there's integrity, there's respect, there's the worth of workmanship, there's nobility, there's honesty, there's courage and so much much more (kind of stands next to integrity); I only mentioned one drop out of the whole pot of tea.
But none of this was the issue. I’m trying to help make a difference with this whole standard of attitude these men and women of this site have been trying to set!!! I’ve counted 78 apologies for these kids and teenagers uncouth behavior! Do you not agree that there is a lot of it?
Gunny out
USMC_Steven
02-10-2005, 07:44 PM
Man I'm starting to feel like the pope with all this talk! E8MC TELL ME I'M A $HIT HEAD!!!
Nah -- you're not a $hithead but, I'll say this ... I do agree with blueskies in the fact that the military has it's share of dirtbags -- however, don't forget -- these dirtbags come from the civilian world with a severe lack of discipline!
As for the apology aspect of many posts placed by the youngsters -- an apology is nothing more than
acknowledgment expressing regret or asking pardon for a fault or offense.
All of us need to remind ourselves that, the person sitting at a keyboard is merely typing thoughts slower than their one braincell will allow them to speak from their mouth -- hence comes the "apology", of which many times is not necessary.
Then too, many of these individuals are most likely very nice and good people if we were to meet them face-to-face ... yet, there is a percentage of those that, even after meeting them personally, you realize they are still a $hithead.
What separates us from that particular crowd is our experience; knowledge; and education with life in general -- military life is structured with alot of teaching; understanding and discipline as taught to us in NCO Leadership training.
You can lead a horse to water, but ya can't make the dumb ba$tard drink it.
USMC_Steven
02-11-2005, 10:03 AM
but, I'll say this ... I do agree with blueskies in the fact that the military has it's share of dirtbags --
Hey, I already agreed with him on that one.
All of us need to remind ourselves that, the person sitting at a keyboard is merely typing thoughts slower than their one braincell will allow them to speak from their mouth
People do often take one look at the electronically transferred data wired through LAN lines and satellite connections, creating mere captional images on a monitor and without second thought judge the person on the other end and they attempt justification with claming expression of opinion!
Alright... I'm done, electronic discipline is futile! WOA TO THE REBELION!!!!!!!!!!!!!
USMC_Steven
02-11-2005, 10:49 AM
SPEAKING OF $HIT HEADS, THE USER 'AM-Buster' IS IN THE 'HOOYAH' FORUM DISSING FORCE RECONS SAYING THEIR FAGS AND NEVER STAY TILL A JOB GETS DONE!
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT THAT REALLY PISSES ME OFF!! EVERYBODY SHOULD GO GIVE HIM A CHEWING!!! His topic is called "marines...marines...marines"!
I was gonna go in and rip his *** too -- but, for some reason, when I hit the Reply button nothing happens ... the things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmm....
blueskies, you are a knucklehead. thanks for your sage input. there is also a diffirence between attitude and character. plenty of GREAT people have never suffered before their moment of greatness. character is in your heart. suffering might bring it out. but it might not. you are way off course. i've never been a marine. i never sacraficed anything. but think i have developed some okay characteristics despite my best efforts. there may be some slugs on active duty, but for whatever reason, they left their civilian counterparts behind. you are shooting from the hip, blindfolded. highly suggest you shut up. maybe you got it once, but it appears that you lost it. best wishes, rm sends
blueskies14k
02-11-2005, 08:56 PM
rm,
My first response was not directed at you, but this one definately is.
Thank you, oh powerful soothsayer, seer of all things.
I deeply appreciate your wonderful attempt at existentially explaining mans dialectic relationship between himself and his surroundings.
I must, in all humbleness, ask you to kiss my @ss.
Character is not in your heart. It is not something you are born with. And, it definately has absolutely nothing to do with "moments of greatness". Any jackass can have moments of something. Character is day in and day out consistancy. I bet I can find a crack dealer who did something good at one point in his life----I think you see where I'm going here.....
As far as suffering---I appreciate people who understand loss. I'm not just talking about death. You learn to appreciate things more in times of struggle. I think you will be hard pressed to find someone to disagree with that.
In your entire response you never said anything to refute my reply---you just threw sh^t. I am curious what set you off? As far as boldness, I would ask what your definition of that is. I hope you are not stupid enough to confuse boldness with confidence because they too are absolutely different.
Shove your best wishes up your @ss. Please use both hands, blueskies sends
blueskies --- ROTFLMFAO!!!
bs, someday. call when you grow up. rm out......
USMC_Steven
02-13-2005, 04:16 PM
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..............................................(GGA AASSSSSSSSPPP) HAHAHAHAHAHAHA..........OH LORD, don't put me on the left side of this pacticular shoe, but that was pretty god d@mn funny blueskies14k!
Gunny's out cold AGAIN!
nhlstar33
03-01-2005, 07:41 AM
HOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
sorry for disrespect though
Blue,
I hope you are not stupid enough to confuse boldness with confidence because they too are absolutely different.
I hope your not stupid enough to confuse a real BTDT, and one for many years, with another of your targets. I think you need to show a little respect for your elders and in this case, your better.
A62 sends
Doc76
03-01-2005, 10:41 AM
The only thing I see wrong with this is Rm is active duty, and you aren't yet This is an open forum but dedicated to those who serve. Respect should be a given.
Doc76
blueskies14k
03-01-2005, 12:43 PM
A62,
I will stand down. I never wanted to disrespect BTDT's, but I am not going to let anybody call me a knucklehead when it was unprovoked.
I will take your advice and respond in a more respectful way, even if there is a disagreement.
Besides the tone, is there anything else in my reply you disagree with?
Why is me my better????????
This was 3 weeks ago---why the sudden interest?
Blue,
Why is me my better????????
Uhm, lets see. 18 years CCT?
This was 3 weeks ago---why the sudden interest?
Didn't look at posting date. Xin loi.LOL
but I am not going to let anybody call me a knucklehead when it was unprovoked.
Even if you are being a knucklehead??LOL
A62 out